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@maporsche,

Ummmm, Maporsche, about those large numbers of people killed by US/CIA terrorist actions, you remember, you asked about them a while ago. I think you were shocked by a number that was in the hundreds of thousands. Try millions, getting up towards the 5 or 6 million range.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

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It's like you live in a fantasy world sometimes, Ican, where things that don't match the narrative are just... ignored.

...What do you think, Cy?

I think you are a tiresome moron. It isn't even that your point isn't a valid one to be discussed; however, you just want to talk about ONLY that point, no matter what others are discussing.

If you think America is a terrorist nation and you want to discuss that, go ahead and start a thread to discuss it. People who want to talk about that with you, will do so. But that's not good enough for you, is it?

We've been over this before. I won't put you on ignore - I don't usually do that - but I won't respond to anything you write that isn't actually relevant to the topic.

Cycloptichorn

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

Total federal tax income increased under both tax rate decreases and tax rate increases.

So, let's keep the current 2010 tax system until the feds can create a simpler and even lower tax rate system. That way the private sector can buy more and invest more, and thereby increase jobs, and federal revenue.

No. There is no evidence that allowing the private sector (the rich, especially) to keep more money in taxes actually leads to more federal revenues.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Just to make it clear, exhaustive studies have shown that what you claim is specifically untrue.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=165

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

You don't think that this is relevant.

Cy: It's like you live in a fantasy world sometimes, Ican, where things that don't match the narrative are just... ignored.

You don't realize that virtually every one of your postings is a study in hypocrisy. You ignore facts, you state that you have no desire to face the facts, to discuss the facts and yet you have the temerity to suggest Ican or Okie or whoever is living in a fantasy world.

Don't try to make out that you're some noble seeker of the truth. The facts point out that you are as unable to face reality as are the very people you cast aspersions on, the Icans, the Okies.

You're not going to put me on Ignore; how open minded you are, Cy.

Studiously ignoring facts, studiously ignoring those things that are uncomfortable to your preconceived notions is the very definition of a moron.

How could, why should, anyone ever consider anything you say on anything to have any veracity whatsoever when you openly and freely admit that you can't deal honestly and fairly with an extremely important topic?

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@JTT,

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You're not going to put me on Ignore; how open minded you are, Cy.

It's not noble; I just don't put people on ignore, because I like to laugh at their stupid posts. If I were to ignore you, I couldn't take pleasure from your stupid posts. Why would I do such a thing?

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How could, why should, anyone ever consider anything you say on anything to have any veracity whatsoever when you openly and freely admit that you can't deal honestly and fairly with an extremely important topic?

2 points:

1, You can consider me to have value as a discussion participant or not, it's up to you. But your judgment of me has no relevance to me whatsoever.

2, your preferred topic isn't extremely important. It isn't even really relevant. This is a big part you seem to be missing out on.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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If I were to ignore you, I couldn't take pleasure from your stupid posts. Why would I do such a thing?

Now that's the part that puzzles, Cy.

Clear examples of US terrorism, extreme brutality, rape, murder and torture but you want to stay outside the fray clinging to your nonsensical little proposition that the USA isn't a terrorist nation because it has the military might to do as it wishes.

How delusional is that? How completely unlike an academic is that?

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2 points:

1, You can consider me to have value as a discussion participant or not, it's up to you. But your judgment of me has no relevance to me whatsoever.

2, your preferred topic isn't extremely important. It isn't even really relevant. This is a big part you seem to be missing out on.

Your first point doesn't address what I asked.

How could, why should, anyone ever consider anything you say on anything to have any veracity whatsoever when you openly and freely admit that you can't deal honestly and fairly with an extremely important topic?

Your second point, again, puzzles. Would it be relevant, important, if one of the six million was your wife or members of her family?

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@JTT,

I was shocked that people think the number in the hundreds of thousands since the Afgan. war began in 2003.

I'm sure going back a through the history of the USA would lead to many many more.

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@Cycloptichorn,

I'm happy to say that I do have JTT on "Ignore," not because he is any more offensive or ignorant than any number of A2K members, but because he is an absolutely boring One Trick Pony.

Not surprisingly, I have seen him slapped down by the folks who are no ideological soul-mates of mine.

He takes no sides except the side that hates America. If you refuse to accept that we are citizens of a vicious and obscene beast of nations, he'll have no use for you either.

I still believe he is the A2K incarnation of Abuzz's "Marburg," but if not, he's a brother of the spirit, to him.

It's sort of sad really.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I think that the one trick pony is a recycle of what I long ago pointed out was you, Finn.

You are lying here because you've discussed putting me on Ignore before and that wasn't the reason, that's just your reason du jour.

No surprise that an immoral piece of scum like you tries to brush off the crimes committed by the USA with this sort of tripe.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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I'm happy to say that I do have JTT on "Ignore," not because he is any more offensive or ignorant than any number of A2K members, but because he is an absolutely boring One Trick Pony.

We don't agree on much, but you're dead on with this one. Nice to see that ideological opponents can sometimes agree on issues.

Cycloptichorn

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The Senate Judiciary Committee is set to vote tomorrow on the nomination of Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court. 12-7 looks to be the result. Perhaps 13-6.
It moves then to the full Senate. The Republicans may try to mount a filibuster. With the seating tomorrow of the replacement for the late Senator Byrd (D-WV), that will not fly. But a couple of Repubs are under pressure from the conservative wing of the party and the Tea Party people to fight on.
I hope they do.
The Dems have a better chance of hanging on in November if they can portray the Repubs as the party of "NO." The party which will filibuster every bit of legislation such that 60, not 50, votes are needed to do anything in the Senate.

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

The Dems have a better chance of hanging on in November if they can portray the Repubs as the party of "NO." The party which will filibuster every bit of legislation such that 60, not 50, votes are needed to do anything in the Senate.

They are currently getting a boost from Republicans on this one, who are practically writing the attack ads for the Dems themselves this Summer - on one hand insisting that unemployment benefit extensions must be paid for in the budget somehow (despite the fact that they have not been in the past, under either Republicans OR Democrats), on the other insisting that the tax cuts for the rich don't need to be paid for - because they 'stimulate the economy.'

Imagine the commercials!

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

"issues", "issues", Cycloptichorn. Odd that you can so easily dismiss the murders of 6 million simply because you are having a hard time facing reality.

The only thing that you've agreed on with Finn, is that you're as afraid as he is of what you might have to face.

Finn isn't an academic, ... he couldn't be, could he? Are there academics that ignorant?

But you are, ... usually.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

You sure seem to know an awful lot about what I do and don't do for a guy that has me on ignore, Finn d'Fabrications.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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If you refuse to accept that we are citizens of a vicious and obscene beast of nations, he'll have no use for you either.

That's another one of your frequent lies. In fact, I tend to agree with Mr Stockwell,

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People ask, how is this possible? I get this all the time.... Americans are decent people. They are nice people. And they're insulated in the worlds that they live in, and they don't understand
and we don't read our history. History is the history of war. Of leaders of countries finding reasons and rationales to send the young men off to fight.

But if you refuse to even consider it given the absolutely stunning amount of evidence, most provided by the US government, what does that say about you? Instead of the sneaky diversionary tactics, the shoot the piano player theme is one of the favorites, as is the "there is a time and a place for everything" meme.

The simple fact of the matter is, you are so fearful of even going there mentally, of even entertaining an idea that is antithetical to all you were taught, to all you absorbed from the relentless propaganda that is American TV, radio and print.

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Stephen Colbert on Obama and McLean as Shakespearean characters:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/186547/october-02-2008/shakespearean-candidates---stephen-greenblatt

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FACTS

Obama has himself expanded the magnitude of Bush's 2008 errors, and has allowed and/or caused America's employment level to get far worse. Will Obama correct his mistakes or expand them even more?

1. Federal Receipts have increased annually since 1980.
2. Federal Outlays have increased annually since 1980.
3. Total US Civil Employment increased since Carter's term in each president's term up to the year 2007 .
4. Total US Civil Employment decreased annually in 2008 and after.
5. The percent of the civilian population employed increased from 59.2% in Carter's term to 64.4% at the end of Clinton's terms.
6. The percent of the civilian population employed decreased 2.2% to 62.2% during Bush's terms.
7. The percent of the civilian population employed after Bush's term, decreased 3.7% to 58.5% up to June 2010 of Obama's term.

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@ican711nm,

After a fall cometh the reckoning..It was inevitable whoever took over the admin. I think it could have been a lot worse.

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Good evening.
I am a bit surprised that there has been little or no comment here about Shirley Sherrod. She is the black U.S. Agriculture Department employee (a political job) who was forced to resign for seemingly racist comments in a speech she gave at an NAACP function.
In a 3 minute clip from the 43 minute speech, she recounts how, 20-some years ago, she didn't give all the help she should have to a white farmer in Georgia because she didn't like his "superior" attitude.
The Obama administration and the NAACP are now furiously back peddling from their condemnations of her. They got snookered by a conservative blogger who appears to have taken her comments totally out of context.

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