Obama '08?

@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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For example, the law suit against AZ now while unemployment is still almost 10% is the wrong fight to pick at this time.

picking this fight when most people think that the feds have failed to protect our borders and 60+% thinking that the Arizona law is a good law that should stand is the wrong fight to pick. It is health insurance reform all over again, Obama fails to care what Americans care about. This, the guy we once thought was a political wizard.

His voters do not like to hear it, but the truth is the man never was a political wizard and never did care about what average Americans care about, it was all a big snow job. We were told he was a political wizard and sold a bill of goods by the people behind the scenes that wanted this man to be president, whoever those people were and are, perhaps international socialists? Obama never did care about what Americans care about, face it, the man harbors radical sentiments in his heart. Just one indicator of that is all the Marxists and radicals he has appointed to his administration.

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By the way, for anyone who is wondering whether Rasmussen is indeed a biased polling outfit -

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/07/12/rasmussen_national_review/index.html

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Pollster Scott Rasmussen, who maintains he is reliable and independent despite criticism from Democrats that he tilts to the right, will in November speak for no fee on a post-election National Review cruise to raise money for the conservative magazine.

Besides Rasmussen, the week-long cruise features an impressive lineup of conservative operatives, journalists, and academics -- Karl Rove, Andrew Breitbart, Phyllis Schlafly, and Jonah Goldberg, to name just a few -- and will sail around the Caribbean stopping at ports in the Bahamas, Grand Cayman, and Cozumel, Mexico.

When someone campaigns for free for Conservative causes, it's a pretty good indicator what team they are really playing for.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Sounds like a Jolly to me. Arthur Scargill would have gone on that.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Why would one "campaign" for conservative causes at a post-election gathering?

The cruise is a fund-raiser for the National Review. I think you will find that none of the panel members charge a fee, and most, if not, all have the costs of the trip covered by the magazine --- not to mention receiving VIP treatment.

In short ---- most of them are, in effect, "paid."

But even if they weren't, that's enough to prove extreme bias in their professional lives?

Careful, it cuts both ways.

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One might assume that the ship has enough barmaids, nurses, receptionists and the like to ensure that the passengers are properly catered for.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Rasmussen probably does lean a little to the right. I can't remember the precise ranking, but I think Nate Silver had him somewhere in the middle of the pack when he did his most recent pollster ratings.

Not sure why salon.com brought up the Feingold poll as proof of Rasmussen's bias, though, since Charles Franklin and PPP both had reported similar results around the same time. Are they known for being biased, do you know?

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@ican711nm,

What if it is discovered that those polled were Republican operatives? Or that they managed to never take a course in government or political science or political philosophy or civics or anything that could remotely be described as a study of government?

Obama has disappointed his constituency by being far and away too centrist.

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@Cycloptichorn,

bush set the ball rolling on the bail outs. Remember bush? They guy with MBA, the one who couldn't get into law school?

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@xris,

FYI, Clinton DID avoid his military service.
He never served, and he actively campaigned to get out of the draft.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Ron Paul has a good point that Obama is Corporate not socialist...Corporations are by and large making bank now, thanks almost exclusively to the Obama policies.

Actually, I hate to stir up a hornets nest, but it seems to me and alot of other people that Obama's policies resemble Fascist policies, which is a combination of socialism and capitalism. In other words, he allows and uses capitalism as long as those capitalists are directed by the State, for the good of the State.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

FYI, Clinton DID avoid his military service.
He never served, and he actively campaigned to get out of the draft.

mm, thanks for again pointing out the truth.

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@okie,

Is this battle of presidential records. Clinton did at first avoid conscription into the Vietnam war because of university studies but he did a year later give notice of his availability for service. Unlike Bushy baby who was capable, available but unwilling to even commit himself to home guard duties.

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@okie,

I come back and your rhetoric exaggerations are still flowing. When do you actually state anything of value ? its cheap propaganda interspersed with your silly friends blue and red wall chart.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

Ron Paul has a good point that Obama is Corporate not socialist...Corporations are by and large making bank now, thanks almost exclusively to the Obama policies.

Actually, I hate to stir up a hornets nest, but it seems to me and alot of other people that Obama's policies resemble Fascist policies, which is a combination of socialism and capitalism. In other words, he allows and uses capitalism as long as those capitalists are directed by the State, for the good of the State.

Specifically - and please don't be vague here - which policies of Obama's resemble Fascist ones, and how?

Cycloptichorn

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Why would one "campaign" for conservative causes at a post-election gathering?

The National Review is one of the flavors of Wingnut Welfare. It doesn't make enough money to justify it's continued existence, so they occasionally go begging to rich Republicans for support in these 4-times a year fund raising drives.

By even appearing at such an event, Ras is consciously telegraphing that he supports Conservative causes and wants to participate in the welfare. He is essentially campaigning on behalf of the Conservative viewpoint of America. And as a private citizen he is perfectly able to do so.

However, as a supposedly impartial and neutral pollster, he shouldn't have accepted this offer. It clearly shows that he is not impartial and that his loyalties lie with the Republican party and the Conservative viewpoint. And this is hardly surprising, because his polls are designed to highlight and promote the Republican party and the Conservative viewpoint.

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But even if they weren't, that's enough to prove extreme bias in their professional lives?

Careful, it cuts both ways.

The bias has already been proven in their polls; this simply adds evidence to the case against them. It was a foolish thing for Ras to do and he is already being panned for it across the net.

Cycloptichorn

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Hawkeye:

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the truth does not matter

...witness the crux of the Rightwing's political hope

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Interesting collection of posts there..

Obama uses capitalism to further the state.
A Conservative magazine isn't really capitalist because it has to get donations to survive.

I guess that means the NR isn't in any danger from Obama then.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Specifically - and please don't be vague here - which policies of Obama's resemble Fascist ones, and how?

Cycloptichorn

My comment is that the medical industry is a good example, with Obama telling the companies what to do and they better do it or else, for the good of the State, but I think Jonah Goldberg has the overall subject of liberal fascism tabbed pretty well. Read this if you are willing to face the truth, cyclops, otherwise skip it because you are too hard headed to admit anything. If you are merely going to make a snide comment about Goldberg, don't bother. If you actually do wish to debate a point that he has made with evidence, be my guest.
http://www.nationalreview.com/liberal-fascism

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Why would one "campaign" for conservative causes at a post-election gathering?

The National Review is one of the flavors of Wingnut Welfare. It doesn't make enough money to justify it's continued existence, so they occasionally go begging to rich Republicans for support in these 4-times a year fund raising drives.
Cycloptichorn

Absolute garbage and nonsense, cyclops. If a rich Repbulican wishes to support the National Review, good for them, it is still a free country, so far to a certain extent, but it is being threatened by liberals like you. If anything is a welfare press, it is PBS, which is a bunch of liberals spouting liberal garbage on our tax money, my tax money, and I resent that. It is just as bad as TASS was, a state run propaganda machine masquerading as journalism. In contrast, National Review is honest and forthright about what they are doing.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Interesting collection of posts there..

Obama uses capitalism to further the state.
A Conservative magazine isn't really capitalist because it has to get donations to survive.

I guess that means the NR isn't in any danger from Obama then.

Your post is not only comparing apples and oranges, but it is also very hypocritical. If there is any valid example of an organization sponging off of the rest of us, all of us without regard for our political philosophy, a couple of examples would be NPR or PBS. I would call them Fascist in nature, parados, a government supported company that spouts liberal propaganda using all of our tax money without regard for what political beliefs we may have.

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