Obama '08?

@mysteryman,

He avoided his Vietnam conscription. His education was obviously flawed as the world will testify. He was an alcoholic bum living off his fathers reputation. So America run out of planes he could fly, my oh my.

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@mysteryman,

Yes and I admire them but Bushy baby never stuck his neck out , did he?

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@snood,

I was trying to be sarcastic, but its tough to do sarcasm on the internet.

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@xris,

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He avoided his Vietnam conscription. His education was obviously flawed as the world will testify. He was an alcoholic bum living off his fathers reputation. So America run out of planes he could fly, my oh my.

As mysteryman has already pointed out, your accusations are the things that are obviously flawed.

The truth is the Bush's brought more class to the Whitehouse than any Democrat has provided for a very long time now. To clarify, I do think the Obamas have a bit more class than the Clintons ever had however.

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http://73wire.com/2010/07/obama-a-socialist-whodathunk/
Obama A Socialist? …Whodathunk?
Posted on July 9, 2010 in: Daily Hits
I’m shocked…SHOCKED I say!

Via Jim Geraghty, we learn that… even by Obama-lovin’ Jim Carville’s own polling standards on such matters (his firm called Democracy Corps)… 55% of people think Jimmy’s idol is a socialist:

Deep in the poll, they ask, “Now, I am going to read you a list of words and phrases which people use to describe political figures. For each word or phrase, please tell me whether it describes Barack Obama very well, well, not too well, or not well at all.”

On “too liberal,” 35 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 21 percent say “well,” 21 percent say “not too well,” and 17 percent say “not well at all.” In other words, 56 percent of likely voters consider Obama too liberal.

When asked about “a socialist,” 33 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 22 percent say “well,” 15 percent say “not too well,” and 25 percent say “not well at all.”

In other words, 55 percent of likely voters think “socialist” is a reasonably accurate way of describing Obama.

I’m shocked…SHOCKED I say!

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SOME MORE EVIDENCE HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST

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http://www.crusader.net/texts/mk/index.html
http://www.crusader.net/texts/mk/mkv2ch01.html
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Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
Volume Two: The National Socialist Movement
Chapter I: Philosophy and Party
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ON FEBRUARY 24, 1920, the first great public demonstration of our young movement took place. In the Festsaal of the Munich Hofbräuhaus the twenty-five theses of the new party's program were submitted to a crowd of almost two thousand and every single point was accepted amid jubilant approval.

With this the first guiding principles and directives were issued for a struggle which was to do away with a veritable mass of old traditional conceptions and opinions and with unclear, yes, harmful, aims. Into the rotten and cowardly bourgeois world and into the triumphant march of the Marxist wave of conquest a new power phenomenon was entering, which at the eleventh hour would halt the chariot of doom.

It was self-evident that the new movement could hope to achieve the necessary importance and the required strength for this gigantic struggle only if it succeeded from the very first day in arousing in the hearts of its supporters the holy conviction that with it political life was to be given, not to a new election slogan, but to a new philosophy of fundamental significance.

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It might be worth noting that Sir Oswald Mosley's Fascist Party, which aped Hitler's methods, was only popular with the working class of the East End of London. The East end is to the leeward of the prevailing winds. He was put away by the conservative forces to the west.

The British National Party of today, who are known as fascists, appeal to the working classes of the industrial areas.

If Socialist means in the interest of the working classes then those men are socialists and Hitler was a lot better at it than either of them.

He promised a car for every German family and autobahns to drive them on to the sunny shores of the south which were envisaged to become a part of the Greater Germany. Only a crazy socialist would suggest such a thing which was bound to result in the bottlenecks and carnage we are experiencing.

They are all bloody socialists. It's a trend in European thought. I remember seeing Denis Hopper in a movie accuse some redneck cops, who had arrested him, of being communists.

If the Communist Party was respectable in the US Cyclo would be in it. There are plenty of people with his views but only the activists get into the Party. And he's an activist. I've met many a man who boasts of being a communist.

Two communists activists here who were union men at a steel works pooled their redundancy payments to set up in business when the plant was shut down with the loss of six hundred jobs, it having been priced out of the market for reasons too well known to be worth mentioning, and they voted conservative at the next election because they were opposed to the minimum wage. That was a good laugh. One of them had had a by-pass so he was in favour of socialised medicine on full bore.

Cyclo's dream is to lead the downtrodden masses to the barricades and overthrow this corrupt and rotten system. I can see him now in a posh restaurant holding forth on the matter waving a sheaf of papers about which he consults from time to time to bring forth some important statistic which proves how right he is. Otherwise he is a drawing-room socialist. Only here for the braying. Once he finds out that nobody understands it or even remembers it in the morning he will simply call for "Change" and use rhetorical devices to carry the day.

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@okie,

Bush , ask any stand up comic how they regret his passing. Wacky baccy, drunk driving, dodgy share dealing. Can you imagine your remarks if Clinton had avoided his military service? Can you imagine your remarks if Obama had a conviction for drink driving, smoked dope, threatened his father with violence...yes, I can.

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@xris,

But imagine the small pool of men in their middle-age from which to choose our leaders from if only those who had avoided giving the old man a bunch of fives in the kisser, dodgy share dealing, military service, drink driving, convicted or not, smoking dope, and and shagging on the beer crates.

I heard that Mr Obama asked to be excused and left the stag party when the stripper sallied forth onto the little well lit stage. That's a sure sign that running for President was already in his mind.

I thought that touching scene in the burger-bar with the Russian president was particularly silly. It couldn't have been a subtle put down because you're all big pals now and helping each other to reduce the prison population.

That bullshit about reducing the nukes to a level of being able to incinerate the earth 40 times over instead of 50 times is not important when once is quite sufficient.

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@spendius,

I regret the good men who have refused high office because of their youth. I would not hinder a good mans politics because of past errors but these silly remarks about Obama and his personal background spurred me into referring to Bushy baby and his dodgy history.

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The latest James Carville Democracy Corps poll shows a majority (55%) think Obama is a socialist. I'm not sure what they're presuming to judge him on, though.
http://www.democracycorps.com/wp-content/files/dcor062210fq6.web_.pdf

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@Irishk,

Socialists seek a government that will steal for them from what others have earned.

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@spendius,

I said a "sure sign" because I think I can make the case.

But there could be other reasons why Mr Obama left the room at that time. I don't even know if the story is true. I assume so due to the integrity of the source I read it in. (That's irony btw).

He flew to England, the story goes, to attend a family wedding which looks good on a CV if the right man gets it out. Naturally he gets invited to the stag party. So picture a room full of English drunks in full swing who have hired a stripper to show the visitor some scenes from English Country life and perhaps conduct an experiment to see if the rumours they had heard were true. He must have realised that being caught by a flashbulb would come back to bite him once he had got far enough into his mission for the picture to be worth £££££s. After Iowa say.

Could the destiny of great nations be in the hands of such blind chance?

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@Irishk,

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The latest James Carville Democracy Corps poll shows a majority (55%) think Obama is a socialist. I'm not sure what they're presuming to judge him on, though.

the bank and auto bail-outs are going the haunt the DEMS. Most Americans don't buy the explanation that the shoveling our kids money to the banks was necessary, and almost no one thinks that the Auto companies should have been shown the public sector tit.

Ron Paul has a good point that Obama is Corporate not socialist...Corporations are by and large making bank now, thanks almost exclusively to the Obama policies. THe problem for the DEMS is no one is is doing very well, and Corporations are no longer liked or trusted.

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@hawkeye10,

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the bank and auto bail-outs are going the haunt the DEMS.

Why the Dems? They both were voted for by most Republicans and signed into law by Bush!

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Why the Dems? They both were voted for by most Republicans and signed into law by Bush!

the truth does not matter, Obama has made the rookie political mistake of allowing his opposition to define him...the GOP has defined Obama as the one who runs around handing out money and having the government take over the economy, and they are the ones who have resisted.

Obama clearly was hoping that his plan would work, and the when votes were needed he would appeal to reason. The problem is that this recovery has not worked so far for anyone but the corporate class, so support for Obama and his policies are dropping like a stone.

Wasting a year on Health Insurance "reform" was a huge mistake, people generally dont think we can afford it, and many dont think it is a good idea even if we could , and it diverted Obama from his main job... creating jobs and doing something about the home value collapse. Obama still thinks that he is going to get credit for the health package....He is out of touch.

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@Cycloptichorn,

It will hurt the dems now because they are the "party in power". Face it Obama supported all the bailouts and even hired the prime writer as his treasury secretary.

Obama and the Dems own the economy, the war and all the problems he "inherited" and created during the Congress 4 year run in power and Obamas 2 years in office.

Obama and the Dems really have to stop the blame game and the childish remarks and start showing real results before November.

For example, the law suit against AZ now while unemployment is still almost 10% is the wrong fight to pick at this time.

"BOSTON — In a private meeting with White House officials this weekend, Democratic governors voiced deep anxiety about the Obama administration’s suit against Arizona’s new immigration law, worrying that it could cost a vulnerable Democratic Party in the fall elections. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/12/us/politics/12governors.html

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@woiyo,

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For example, the law suit against AZ now while unemployment is still almost 10% is the wrong fight to pick at this time.

picking this fight when most people think that the feds have failed to protect our borders and 60+% thinking that the Arizona law is a good law that should stand is the wrong fight to pick. It is health insurance reform all over again, Obama fails to care what Americans care about. This, the guy we once thought was a political wizard.

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@hawkeye10,

Interesting point.

Consider his administration keeps making references to "what they inherited" from the previous administration.

Yet, they focus on everything else BUT what they "inherited". Or so it seems.

Makes one wonder who is "political advisers" are.

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@woiyo,

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Consider his administration keeps making references to "what they inherited" from the previous administration.

that will end soon, if it has not already.....it reinforces the perception that Obama is weak, effeminate, not a leader. He is pivoting to talking about what they have done to get out of the hole left by the previous administration, the programs, the bills, yadda yadda yadda. That will not work either, because Americas don't give a **** about how hard he thinks he has tried, they want results...we are in a "show me the money" mood.

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