xris
 
  2  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 12:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
How many years did Bush baby drag America down, economically and its reputation internationally. When your up to arse in ****, it needs more than one term to drag you out. With this predetermined attitude to dismiss Obama's office he could have walked on water and you would refuse to be impressed. Its blatantly obvious this intense propaganda to assassinate his reputation, his character and his political ability. I could understand your reservation if he had followed a brilliant Republican president, but he followed the most ignorant inept clown America has ever produced.
okie
 
  -1  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 12:27 pm
@xris,
That is your opinion, which is flat out wrong in mine. I think most of us would love to have Bush back, over what we have now. I'll bet if an election were held today between Obama and Bush, Bush may very well win, at least if ACORN and the Black Panthers could be kept away from the polling places.
xris
 
  2  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 12:31 pm
@okie,
So you would prefer to pay no tax so you can spend three times more for your pharmaceuticals, than the rest of the world. You would rather be exploited than taxed...So its hanging instead of the electric chair? I love this right wing reasoning its so damned weird, its like the suicidal idiot who ducked the traffic before he jumped of the bridge.
xris
 
  2  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 12:33 pm
@okie,
I dont doubt it with your reasoning, its stupid enough. His term dragged America as far down as its ever been and you admire him...that says it alll.
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xris
 
  2  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 12:38 pm
Ican "I can post these wall charts with ease now" ..."wots up doc" .."is it a sign of inability to respond with any logical reasoning".Doc.."I'm afraid so son, your due for your medication"..Red and blue wall chart syndrome..nearly always terminal ..
ican711nm
 
  -1  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 12:45 pm
@xris,
Quote:
The deceptive strategy of the extremists painting the mainstream as extreme
Posted: 12 Jul 2010 09:17 PM PDT

There is a huge push to present the Tea Party movement as a small, insignificant group of people. In recent weeks, both major parties have been making light of the Tea Party with many Republican leaders (like Lindsey Graham) distancing themselves from candidates such as Rand Paul and Sharron Angle.

The reality of the Tea Party is by and large – it consists of “mainstream” America rather than “extreme” America. A recent Rasmussen poll indicated that 57% of Republicans are supportive of the Tea Party movement. Any percentage that falls into the majority category represents the “mainstream”. A number of polls have indicated that 15%-20% of Democrats are likewise supportive of the Tea Party – a number which can be added to the 57% of Republicans. This does not include the independents, who according to most polls are leaning toward the Tea Party.

While much has been made of recent statements by Paul and Angle (along with other Tea Party backed candidates), one has to admire them for speaking their own minds and not the minds of their party. Is this not what the people have been crying for – candidates who will speak without regard for the powers that be and with regard for the people they are seeking to represent? While not everyone may agree with the positions taken by Paul and Angle, there is a level of independence that is reassuring.

The news media is making it almost impossible for Tea Party backed candidates to speak their own mind, yet liberals like Eric Holder can say almost anything that comes to their mind no matter how extreme it may be. When asked in an interview on CBS’ “Face the Nation” as to why he was taking so much time in deciding when and where, and by who (military or civil court) to conduct the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Holder replied,
“People in Congress need to work with us in the executive branch to come up with a way in which we can put these people on trial. Justice has been denied too long.”

He was blaming partisan politicizing by Republicans and Democrats for stalling the trial decision.

There is nothing more politicized than the Arizona Immigration Law and the subsequent lawsuit by the Department of Justice against the state. Yet, politics did not prevent a quick and decisive response in the decision to file the lawsuit. If the Obama administration had fulfilled its responsibility to uphold the immigration laws of the United States already on the books, Arizona would never have acted in the first place. CBS failed to make Holder accountable for this “convenient” contradiction of politicizing in the terrorist indecision versus the immigration decision. The greater point being – had a Tea Party backed candidate spoken as did Holder, the news media would have been all over them.

While unemployment has increased from 4% to 14% under Harry Reid’s watch, casino’s are laying off employees and putting expansion on hold, the education system is making deep budget cuts, and thousands of homes are in foreclosure; he is running campaign ads and websites depicting Angle as a “birther” and a host of other issues that avoid addressing the real issues. When Angle pushed back against the web site in question, many including the news media, made her out to be the villain rather than the victim.

It is time for those within the mainstream to stop feeling and acting like they are the extreme which leads to an attitude and atmosphere of “we are the minority”. Frankly, it is those on the extreme who are propagating and promoting this “feeling” within the mainstream. We must recognize and reject the strategy of the left as well as those on the right (RINOs) who fear the defeat of their personal agenda and the loss of their power by the “voting influence” of the Tea Party.

Rand Paul took a stand against the idea that the Tea Party is outside the mainstream in a Saturday speech, saying,

“We cannot let them characterize us. There has been a concerted effort since the tea party began to rise, since my victory, to paint us as something we are not. There is nothing about our movement that is really outside of any kind of mainstream….. You are part of the mainstream.”

Paul’s speech was not based on a feeling. It is what it is!

okie
 
  -2  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 12:47 pm
@xris,
xris wrote:

So you would prefer to pay no tax so you can spend three times more for your pharmaceuticals, than the rest of the world. You would rather be exploited than taxed...So its hanging instead of the electric chair? I love this right wing reasoning its so damned weird, its like the suicidal idiot who ducked the traffic before he jumped of the bridge.
You are a liberal that apparently does not understand personal responsibility and freedom. I have my own excellent health insurance and very good health care with the best doctors I know of, and I don't have to wait for an appointment. I am going to tell you that if Obamacare screws up my health care down the road, I am going to be one very mad American, after all I have lived my life responsibly and I have earned what I have, so stealing my freedom is not going to endear me to Obama. If you are so stupid as to not understand what freedom and personal responsibility is, you are one sad American, and perhaps you deserve to live somewhere else where you would enjoy being taken care of and told what to do.
okie
 
  -1  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 12:50 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
The deceptive strategy of the extremists painting the mainstream as extreme

It is a well known fact that ultra-leftists commonly employ the practice of accusing their opposition of what they themselves do.
parados
 
  3  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 12:58 pm
@okie,
Quote:

It is a well known fact that ultra-leftists commonly employ the practice of accusing their opposition of what they themselves do.

You didn't read the article, did you okie?

Or are you saying mainstream Republicans are ultra-leftists?
xris
 
  2  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 01:07 pm
@okie,
Your powers of deduction are abysmal. I'm not an American but im happy for you, in your wonderful secure world where certainty is secure. Where you were given the ability to secure that certainty. I do so hope it never fails you. I have contributed to a national health insurance system for the last half century and my medical needs are well secure. The difference between yours and mine is that I need not worry if my neighbour is ill or if my circumstances change. I know my children and my grandchildren will be treated with the best health service my country can provide. The difference between yours and mine, financially is that mine cost me three time less than yours. The difference between me and you , I dont care if a few have not the ability to pay while their circumstance or back ground does not permit them. I have a social responsibility for my fellow citizens for our joint endeavours. I believe that encouraging and serving each other helps me as well as them. If i dont help look after the least then the least will increase. Education and health is essential to all our citizens..And I hate your self serving egocentric politics , they are self defeating mean and detestable. Your twisted view that socialist dont work or die for their country is both wrong and highly insulting..
failures art
 
  2  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 01:16 pm
@xris,
xris - okie and ican are two bitter conservatives grasping at whatever they can. They deny the legitimacy of our elected officials. There kind is going the way of the dodo. Not conservatives, but idiot ugly Americans. Plenty of good hearted conservatives out there who simply disagree. There is plenty of place for ideas to be challenged. okie and ican can't accept the failure of their ideas.

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okie
 
  0  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 01:19 pm
@parados,
If you are referring to Lindsey Graham's comments, I think the man is wrong, thats all, and he makes silly comments. This is not the first time he has made silly comments because apparently he wants to be liked by the liberal press or the Democrats. I have been around a few Tea Partiers, I have not participated, but I have seen them in local towns and have known some of the people, and they are definitely mainstream people. They are business owners and other normal law abiding and patriotic people that work and are responsible for their families. And they believe in constitutional principles, freedom, and liberty. I think most represent the heart and soul of America. They are certainly more mainstream than many of Obama's friends and associates, which includes former terrorists, bigots, and communists.
xris
 
  3  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 01:29 pm
@failures art,
The problem, I see from a foreign perspective is the constant right wing presses activity against Obama. A few right wing nutters are not the problem, it is what they represent and they present a very vocal smearing campaign on an administration trying to cope with the most challenging of times for America and the rest of the world. I never saw a honeymoon period for Obama and even my right wing friends, moderate in comparison to your right wing, said no white president has stood such abuse or incessant objections to anything he attempted to accomplish.
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xris
 
  2  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 01:33 pm
@okie,
you cant help yourself can you...I'm a good ol American boy and his a damned red ..Move on and grow up..the world ain't some little insular well served town in the mid west..Times they are a changing..
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 01:33 pm
Quote:
Sources say smackdown of Obama by Supreme Court may be inevitable

July 9, 12:03 PM Conservative Examiner Anthony G. Martin
According to sources who watch the inner workings of the federal government, a smackdown of Barack Obama by the U.S. Supreme Court may be inevitable.

Ever since Obama assumed the office of President, critics have hammered him on a number of Constitutional issues.

Critics have complained that much if not all of Obama's major initiatives run headlong into Constitutional roadblocks on the power of the federal government.

(AP Photo/Keith Srakocic. Chief Justice John Roberts, U.S. Supreme Court).
Obama certainly did not help himself in the eyes of the Court when he used the venue of his State of the Union address early in the year to publicly flog the Court over its ruling that the First Amendment grants the right to various organizations to run political ads during the time of an election.

The tongue-lashing clearly did not sit well with the Court, as demonstrated by Justice Sam Alito, who publicly shook his head and stated under his breath, 'That's not true,' when Obama told a flat-out lie concerning the Court's ruling.

As it has turned out, this was a watershed moment in the relationship between the executive and the judicial branches of the federal government. Obama publicly declared war on the court, even as he blatantly continued to propose legislation that flies in the face of every known Constitutional principle upon which this nation has stood for over 200 years.

Obama has even identified Chief Justice John Roberts as his number one enemy, that is, apart from Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. And it is no accident that the one swing-vote on the court, Justice Anthony Kennedy, stated recently that he has no intention of retiring until 'Obama is gone.'
Apparently, the Court has had enough.

The Roberts Court has signaled, in a very subtle manner, of course, that it intends to address the issues about which Obama critics have been screaming to high heaven. A ruling against Obama on any one of these important issues could potentially cripple the Administration.
Such a thing would be long overdue.

First, there is ObamaCare, which violates the Constitutional principle barring the federal government from forcing citizens to purchase something. And no, this is not the same thing as states requiring drivers to purchase car insurance, as some of the intellectually-impaired claim. The Constitution limits FEDERAL government, not state governments, from such things, and further, not everyone has to drive, and thus, a citizen could opt not to purchase car insurance by simply deciding not to drive a vehicle.
In the ObamaCare world, however, no citizen can 'opt out.'

Second, sources state that the Roberts court has quietly accepted information concerning discrepancies in Obama's history that raise serious questions about his eligibility for the office of President. The charge goes far beyond the birth certificate issue. This information involves possible fraudulent use of a Social Security number in Connecticut, while Obama was a high school student in Hawaii. And that is only the tip of the iceberg.

Third, several cases involving possible criminal activity, conflicts of interest, and pay-for-play cronyism could potentially land many Administration officials, if not the President himself, in hot water with the Court. Frankly, in the years this writer has observed politics, nothing comes close to comparing with the rampant corruption of this Administration, not even during the Nixon years. Nixon and the Watergate conspirators look like choirboys compared to the jokers that populate this Administration.

In addition, the Court will eventually be forced to rule on the dreadful decision of the Obama DOJ to sue the state of Arizona. That, too, could send the Obama doctrine of open borders to an early grave, given that the Administration refuses to enforce federal law on illegal aliens.

And finally, the biggie that could potentially send the entire house of cards tumbling in a free-fall is the latest revelation concerning the Obama-Holder Department of Justice and its refusal to pursue the New Black Panther Party. The group is caught on tape committing felonies by attempting to intimidate Caucasian voters into staying away from the polls.

A whistle-blower who resigned from the DOJ is now charging Holder with "the deliberate refusal to pursue cases against Blacks, particularly those who are involved in radical hate-groups, such as the New Black Panthers, who have been caught on tape calling for the murder of white people and their babies."

This one is a biggie that could send the entire Administration crumbling--that is, if the Justices have the guts to draw a line in the sand at the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

xris
 
  1  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 01:39 pm
@ican711nm,
Ican you know wot I never read one damned word. I can look at an others sick for interest sake, to see how much carrots or peas survived but then my interest wains and it just makes me urge.
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parados
 
  1  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 01:50 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
Second, sources state that the Roberts court has quietly accepted information concerning discrepancies in Obama's history that raise serious questions about his eligibility for the office of President.


If true, it is grounds for impeachment of Roberts since it would violate the basis of what the court is supposed to do. They are supposed to listen to the evidence presented in court, not personally collect that evidence prior to a case being brought before them.
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parados
 
  3  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 01:53 pm
@okie,
Quote:
If you are referring to Lindsey Graham's comments, I think the man is wrong, thats all, and he makes silly comments.

Many Republican officials have tried to distance themselves from Rand Paul and other Tea Party people. It isn't simply about Graham's comments but the actions of many Republicans to not support the Tea Party kooks.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 03:43 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Specifically - and please don't be vague here - which policies of Obama's resemble Fascist ones, and how?

Cycloptichorn
My comment is that the medical industry is a good example, with Obama telling the companies what to do and they better do it or else, for the good of the State,


Bullshit. Regulation of industry has nothing to do with Fascism at all. Our industries have ALWAYS had regulation of one form or another, and making changes to those industries is no indicator of fascism. Swing and a miss on that one.

Quote:
but I think Jonah Goldberg has the overall subject of liberal fascism tabbed pretty well. Read this if you are willing to face the truth, cyclops, otherwise skip it because you are too hard headed to admit anything. If you are merely going to make a snide comment about Goldberg, don't bother. If you actually do wish to debate a point that he has made with evidence, be my guest.
http://www.nationalreview.com/liberal-fascism


I've read his stupid book. It is a poorly researched and poorly thought out screed which does the same thing that you do: starts with a conclusion and then casts about for evidence. It is not well respected in historical circles.

I blame Goldberg in large part for inspiring people like you, Okie, to rant on about Fascism - a topic you know very little about.

Cycloptichorn
snood
 
  1  
Tue 13 Jul, 2010 03:54 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:
If you are referring to Lindsey Graham's comments, I think the man is wrong, thats all, and he makes silly comments.

Many Republican officials have tried to distance themselves from Rand Paul and other Tea Party people. It isn't simply about Graham's comments but the actions of many Republicans to not support the Tea Party kooks.


yeah, but I think it would probably be a mistake to underestimate how strong is the influence of the "Tea Party". I feel like its providing cover (freedom-loving patriots, that's all we are!) for a whole lot of republicans to hang on to their most extreme ideas, and I dread what might happen if a bunch of the Tea Partiers or their supporters get into office.
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