hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 03:06 pm
@plainoldme,
Quote:
ou never talk about a books, film, music, theatre. You only post on political threads where most people tell you that factually you are wrong.
Okie is consumed with the Blue-Red game, which I am becoming increasingly convinced is a spectacle put on by the corporate class as a diversion so that they can pick everyone's pockets.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 03:08 pm
@okie,
Quote:

So you finally admit your claims were dead wrong.


Okie, link to where I wrote what you claimed I did. Quote me. Or stop making **** up, because you are sounding like a goddamn idiot.

You don't seem to be capable of understanding my argument at all.

Cycloptichorn
roger
 
  1  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 03:10 pm
@parados,
realjohnboy wrote:

Duly noted, B-Net. Pretty naive, eh?
The thing that irks me is how people will make statements without having much data to support what they are arguing for or against.
Here are some numbers for yall from the IRS in 2007:

The top 1% (1,410,710) of tax return filers earned 23% of the income* and paid 40% of the federal government's revenue from personal income taxes. Their effective tax rate was 22%.

The next 4% (5.6M) earned 15% of the income , paid 20% of the taxes for a tax rate of 18%.
6% to 10% (7M) earned 11%, paid 11% for a tax rate of 13%.

Then we get into the larger number of people.
21M taxpayers (21% of the total) earned* around $100K in 2007. They contributed 15% in income taxes to the federal government. Their tax rate was about 9%.
35M (19%) of us earned around $50K, and our share was 11% of the federal government's revenue. Our tax rate was 7%.

Add that up and you will find that some 70 million of us- 50% of those filing, accounted for 88% of the reported income and paid 97% of the taxes. The tax burden was 14% overall.

50% of filers, with incomes below about $33K, earned 12% of the total income* and paid 3% of the income taxes. The effective tax rate was also 3%.

*The IRS, in its review, starts not with income, but with adjusted gross income. That excludes income from capital gains, dividends and municipal bond


parados wrote:
I find that funny okie.

Last year income taxes made up only 43% of the Federal revenues.

So.. the top 1% makes 19% of the income but only paid
15.9% of the total taxes in income tax.


Which is it?
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djjd62
 
  1  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 03:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Okie is consumed with the Blue-Red game, which I am becoming increasingly convinced is a spectacle put on by the corporate class as a diversion so that they can pick everyone's pockets.


you are correct
plainoldme
 
  -1  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 03:16 pm
@djjd62,
Yes, he is and I voted his post up.
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okie
 
  -1  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 04:28 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

So you finally admit your claims were dead wrong.


Okie, link to where I wrote what you claimed I did. Quote me. Or stop making **** up, because you are sounding like a goddamn idiot.
Cycloptichorn

I already did quote you, cyclops. Read my posts, okay. Here is your quote again:
Quote:
I said that the wealthy now own a larger percentage of the overall wealth in America then in the past, and this leads them to pay more taxes - even though their rates of taxation are lower than they used to be.

Your statement admits that you recognize that the rich are paying ever higher amounts and portions of income taxes, and yet you claim the gap between the rich and poor is increasing. If the poor are paying less of the taxes than ever, then has it ever dawned on you that the income tax burden upon the poor is not the primary factor that is hindering them from gaining ground? In other words, as I have already asked you, has it ever occurred to you that it may very well be other factors that are hindering the poor in this country? I have already expressed the opinion, and I shall do so again, that I think it is other factors, such as the availability of good manufacturing jobs and other decent paying jobs that require less education, a failed educational system, over-regulation by government, and also perhaps a cultural breakdown of the inner cities. I think the causes of poverty in this country is a complex and involved subject requiring more time than we have here, but it is obvious to me that the income tax rates are not the principle driving force behind the reasons for poverty. You will never convince me of that, when I personally know low wage earning people that receive several thousand more back than they ever pay into the income tax system, and I know this never happened 20 or 30 years ago. And I also know some of the reasons for their financial situations, and they are not their payment of income taxes, and they are not because of rich people paying all the income taxes. At some point, cyclops, you must employ at least a little common sense.
plainoldme
 
  0  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 06:08 pm
@okie,
Real income for most Americans has either remained static for nearly 30 years or has declined slightly for everyone but those in the top quintile. The information, originally derived from the US Census Bureau, is widely available.

I have been posting this same information since February. It is easy to find.

Consider what happened to the cost of domicile in the past 30 years and then think of a family trying to get by when both parents earn the minimum wage.

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plainoldme
 
  0  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 06:09 pm
@okie,
Quote:
it is obvious to me that the income tax rates are not the principle driving force behind the reasons for poverty


Good because no one said so.
okie
 
  0  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 07:14 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Quote:
it is obvious to me that the income tax rates are not the principle driving force behind the reasons for poverty


Good because no one said so.

Wrong again. Here is what cyclops has been arguing, in case you missed it, and of course I think his conclusions are without evidence and totally off the mark, especially his last statement quoted below. In fact, as I have pointed out, I think it is an assortment of liberal Democratic policies that have led to the problem, among them being over-regulation and over-taxation of business, plus union bullying, that have driven industries offshore, thus destroying job opportunities for the less educated and poorer segments of society.
http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1709#post-4277690
Quote:
Tax breaks for the rich are exactly the issue. Reagan chopped the highest brackets down to half what they used to be, and we got nothing - nothing - in return. There has been no giant leap in American wealth due to these tax breaks, no huge rises in investment in industry or manufacturing.

You're wrong about no proof, though - there exists a gigantic amount of evidence that the right-wing economic policies that have been in place since Reagan have lead to a massive gap between the rich and the poor.
mysteryman
 
  0  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 08:03 pm
@plainoldme,
Please show where I misquoted you?

Lets look at what you said, and its implications...

You said

Quote:
And, anyone who denies the presence of the right in the big time drug trade is naive


Now, you seem to be implying that only the right is involved in the drug trade.

Just a couple of posts later, you said...


Quote:
Or in small time drug dealing. Think of all those folks cooking crystal meth. They are not educated, not elite and not leftists.


So again, you impl that only the right is involved in drug dealing, and that they are all uneducated, nor are any of them on the left.

So, I ask again, where did I misquote you?
mysteryman
 
  0  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 08:05 pm
@xris,
Bush DID volunteer to serve in Vietnam, but the aircraft he was flying was being phased out.
And since he did graduate from college, and did become a military pilot (something you have to be an officer to do), your claim that his education is "nonexistant" is proven false.
plainoldme
 
  0  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 08:05 pm
@okie,
Okie, you simply can not read well.
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 08:07 pm
@mysteryman,
Cloaca, I did not say that no one on the left was involved in the drug trade, which is what you accused me of saying.

I said that the right is heavily involved in the drug trade. Apparently, your reading and logic and comprehension levels are as abysmal as okie's or ican's.
plainoldme
 
  0  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 08:08 pm
@mysteryman,
A military pilot? Rather a glorification of a weekend warrior, n'est-ce pas?

Besides, he never bothered to show up for long stretches of time.

Non-existent? Well, since when is a business degree an education?
mysteryman
 
  0  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 08:10 pm
@plainoldme,
So then, is the left also "heavily involved in the drug trade"?

And are they uneducated also?

After all, YOU DID say

Quote:
Or in small time drug dealing. Think of all those folks cooking crystal meth. They are not educated, not elite and not leftists.


So, you claim that nobody on the left is involved in the drug trade, then you claim you didnt say that.
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mysteryman
 
  0  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 08:15 pm
@plainoldme,
There are a bunch of reserve and ANG pilots flying in Iraq and Afghanistan right now.
Are they also a " glorification of a weekend warrior"?

And is it only an education if its a subject you approve of?
mysteryman
 
  0  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 08:25 pm
Now he is taking ANOTHER vacation.
I thought he said he wouldnt rest till the oil spill was cleaned up and the leak fixed!!

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=6658&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 08:30 pm
This is interesting.
The new CentCom commander, one approved by Obama, says its "fun to shoot people" and that some Afghans deserve to die.

This sure sounds like trying to end the war to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkXtWwNDSdA&feature=player_embedded
snood
 
  1  
Sun 11 Jul, 2010 09:50 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

This is interesting.
The new CentCom commander, one approved by Obama, says its "fun to shoot people" and that some Afghans deserve to die.

This sure sounds like trying to end the war to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkXtWwNDSdA&feature=player_embedded


Not exactly sure of what you mean by "this sounds like trying to end the war", but this guy sure sounds like one hell of a case of someone needing to get some impulse control.
xris
 
  1  
Mon 12 Jul, 2010 04:42 am
@okie,
You need proof, proof of what?? By the way you have my gender wrong, you silly boy.
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