Obama '08?

I think I made my position very clear. I do not intend to vote for a johnny come lately that IMO does not have the experience or record that would make me comfortable enough to vote for him.

Regarding McCain and Clinton, they both have the required maturity and backgrounds and as for Guiliani being Mayor of NY prepares one for just about any major position.

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It's very clear that you don't want to vote for him. It's less clear why.

How is Hillary more mature than Obama? (And how much maturity is needed to become president, exactly?) How does Obama lack the required background (which Hillary has)?

If you don't wish to answer those questions, that's fine, it's just that more and more it seems like your actual answer is "I just don't like Obama," which is also fine if unsatisfactory.

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No, au, you didn't make yourself clear. You said you didn't know enough. You were offered more information.

You said you didn't like 'party line votes'. More information was offered.

Now you don't like Mr. Obama because he's too young. If you'd started with that, it would have been a bit more believable.

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I wouldn't hesitate to say that Au will vote for whoever he/she feels will protect Israel's interests to the highest degree. And that's Clinton/Guiliani.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn
I wont even dignify your last remark by responding. Except to say I have no idea how, if push came to shove, how anyone of them would respond the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

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If that's the case Au definitely won't be voting Obama who wants to send more support to Palistinians.

Excerpt:

Quote:

Obama remark draws fire from Jews
'Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people,' he said in Iowa.

Source

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au1929 wrote:

Cycloptichorn
I wont even dignify your last remark by responding. Except to say I have no idea how, if push came to shove, how anyone of them would respond the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Mmm. You've made noises in the past about protecting Israel and how important it is for the US. It's fine with me if you choose not to remember them now.

Cycloptichorn

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au1929 wrote:

Cycloptichorn
I wont even dignify your last remark by responding. Except to say I have no idea how, if push came to shove, how anyone of them would respond the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

I would add however, in a pinch the liberal democrates are for more likely to throw Isreal to the wolves than the republicans. That is pretty much a given.

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au1929 wrote:

au1929 wrote:
Cycloptichorn
I wont even dignify your last remark by responding. Except to say I have no idea how, if push came to shove, how anyone of them would respond the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

I would add however, in a pinch the liberal democrates are for more likely to throw Isreal to the wolves than the republicans. That is pretty much a given.

And why not? They are hardly an ally of ours. All the aid seems to flow one direction, all the benefit seems to flow one direction.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

au1929 wrote:
Cycloptichorn
I wont even dignify your last remark by responding. Except to say I have no idea how, if push came to shove, how anyone of them would respond the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Mmm. You've made noises in the past about protecting Israel and how important it is for the US. It's fine with me if you choose not to remember them now.

Cycloptichorn

That i support Isreal and you do not is an unquestionable truth. However, I have never made noises about the US protecting Israel and how important it was to the US.

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Cyclo
If your interested in Obama's views on Israel go to:.

http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=topsearchbox.search&query=Obama+on+the+Israeli%2Fpalestinian+conflict

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Dang, au. Can you be any more specific? That link is to multiple other links of pages and pages of text, none of what I read touching Palestine.

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Snood

I found both articles worth a read.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/11/60minutes/main2458530.shtml

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6619.shtml

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Brand X wrote:

If that's the case Au definitely won't be voting Obama who wants to send more support to Palistinians.

Excerpt:

Quote:
Obama remark draws fire from Jews
'Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people,' he said in Iowa.

Source

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Quote:

OBAMA AND ISRAEL:

Appearing before AIPAC this week, Barack Obama noted that "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people." Technically, this isn't true--people in Darfur and, I'm sure, many other places are suffering more--but I'm sure Obama meant that Palestinians are suffering more than Israelis.

The New York Times believes that this formulation was risky for Obama--as Patrick Healy, who reported the article, wrote, "by singling out Palestinian suffering on Sunday, Mr. Obama could be tempting fate with some Jewish voters." Healy was able to find at least one attendee who expressed disapproval at Obama.

If that truly was a widespread sentiment among the AIPAC attendees, it's depressing. It's obviously true that Palestinians are suffering more than Israelis. To point this out isn't necessarily even an indictment of Israel. One could view it as a tragic byproduct of Palestine's inability to produce a government that can suppress terrorism and negotiate peace with Israel.

Indeed, this seems to be Obama's position. As the Times reported, "And as soon as there were Palestinian partners who 'renounced violence,' [Obama] added, peace negotiations with Israel should unfold."

--Jonathan Chait

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The furor over General Pace's comment that homosexuality was "immoral" wasnt kind for Hillary Clinton.

Asked whether she thought homosexuality was immoral, she, typically, first tried to duck the question, and then give in after all when protestations followed.

Unfortunately, it appears that Obama failed to pass the no-waffle test just as blatantly.

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Another potential problem here (or perhaps it's just me)

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Anyone of you Obama robots know if this is an official vid of his campaign?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3G-lMZxjo

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Robot?

It came up earlier, (that video), and no it's not.

As I've said before, Obama's position on homosexuality is one area where I disagree with him (while recognizing that if he agreed with me down the line he'd probably be unelectably liberal). I think he's kind of caught between a personal ick factor and a moral standpoint, which he's still struggling with. The "struggle" could be illusion of course and he might not ever get further than he is now (for civil unions, for repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," against gay marriage, seems ambivalent about morality or lack thereof).

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nimh wrote:

Whooooaaaa...

Check this out on YouTube..

Note: Josh "Talking Points Memo" Marshall writes he has "been assured that the creators are not connected to the Obama campaign".

Get ready for the YouTube elections...

I posted this on 6 March..

Can anyone tell me why it has suddenly now, today, hit all the media?

This in Google News right now:

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Times New Roman
San Francisco Chronicle, CA - 2 hours ago
It may be the most stunning and creative attack ad yet for a 2008 presidential candidate -- one experts say could represent a watershed moment in 21st ...

New Anti-Hillary Clinton YouTube Ad Makes Waves on Web
FOX News - 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON ?- Supporters of Sen. Hillary Clinton say they suspect that Barack Obama's campaign may be in the know about a new and chilling campaign ...

Hillary's down the tube
Melbourne Herald Sun, Australia - 1 hour ago
A NEW video clip attacking Hillary Clinton as "Big Brother" has cemented the internet as the new battleground in the 2008 US presidential race. ...

The 'Hillary 1984' ad everyone's talking about today
Atlanta Journal Constitution (subscription), GA - 2 hours ago
The 74-second Internet spot, entitled "1984" is posted here on youtube.com. It deftly mixes an old Apple computer ad with Hillary Clinton's "let's have a ...

Obama ad can be seen only on the Internet
San Francisco Chronicle, CA - Mar 17, 2007
(03-17) 18:24 PDT -- It may be the most stunning and creative attack ad yet for a 2008 presidential candidate - one experts say could represent a watershed ...

Apple 1984 Ad Spoofed in Political Campaign
The Mac Observer - 1 hour ago
by Jeff Gamet , 9:20 AM EDT, March 19th, 2007. Apple's original 1984 commercial that introduced the world to the Macintosh has now ushered in another new ...

Net attack on Hillary
Daily Telegraph, Australia - 1 hour ago
By Stephanie Balogh. A VIDEO clip attacking Hillary Clinton has established the internet as the new battleground in the 2008 US presidential race. ...

Pro-Obama 'Hillary 1984' Ad a 'Watershed'
The Daily Reel, CA - 2 hours ago
An article in the San Francisco Chronicle looks at an unauthorized online ad for presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama that has gone viral. ...

Hillary Clinton Slammed With Re-Make Of '1984' Ad
KUTV, UT - 15 hours ago
What may be the most jarring and creative political attack yet on a 2008 presidential candidate is making the rounds on the Internet. ...

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Weird!

I'd guess that some major media outlet did something on it and it went from there...?

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