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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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If your belief that the worth of a worm or rat is compared to a human being - is nothing more than a "nuanced argument," then I don't think it would be a huge leap for you to have labeled the same term "nuanced" to the argument in 1930's Germany that Jews should be exterminated by the millions.

You don't understand my original argument at all, and when I tried to explain it to you, you weren't interested in understanding; so it is no surprise that you would trot out extremely foolish statements like the one above.

It has been long enough now that I don't recall your exact argument, except I think you trotted out the point that humans have more power than animals, thus we can use them and abuse them. I could be wrong about your exact argument, but regardless of your argument, your conclusion is not only silly but dangerous. When you degrade the value of human life, I trot out things like Nazi Germany, because it is a prime example of what human nature is capable of doing if left unchecked and if liberal thinking is allowed to go to its logical extreme. I happen to believe that human nature is what it is, it continues to be capable of the atrocities that we have seen in history, and unless decent people stand up and condemn and politically defeat the thinking that leads to such things, it could repeat itself yet more times in the future, and if history is any indicator, it probably will repeat itself again.

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It is rather pathetic though, the way you reflexively reach for Nazi Germany as your crutch in these arguments. It is a sign of weakness on your part, Okie, an appeal to absurdity.

Cycloptichorn

As I explained above, it is not a crutch, it is a prime example that should be a reminder to you and all of us of what human nature is capable of sinking to, if moral principles are not honored and defended. And one of those is the sanctity of human life over that of animals. I happen to believe there is one God that created mankind as more sacred than animals, and I think this country is also founded upon that belief. If you are not in step with that, you are in very dangerous territory, cyclops, which we know is liberal territory.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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If your belief that the worth of a worm or rat is compared to a human being - is nothing more than a "nuanced argument," then I don't think it would be a huge leap for you to have labeled the same term "nuanced" to the argument in 1930's Germany that Jews should be exterminated by the millions.

You don't understand my original argument at all, and when I tried to explain it to you, you weren't interested in understanding; so it is no surprise that you would trot out extremely foolish statements like the one above.
It has been long enough now that I don't recall your exact argument, except I think you trotted out the point that humans have more power than animals, thus we can use them and abuse them. I could be wrong about your exact argument, but regardless of your argument, your conclusion is not only silly but dangerous. When you degrade the value of human life, I trot out things like Nazi Germany, because it is a prime example of what human nature is capable of doing if left unchecked and if liberal thinking is allowed to go to its logical extreme. I happen to believe that human nature is what it is, it continues to be capable of the atrocities that we have seen in history, and unless decent people stand up and condemn and politically defeat the thinking that leads to such things, it could repeat itself yet more times in the future, and if history is any indicator, it probably will repeat itself again.

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It is rather pathetic though, the way you reflexively reach for Nazi Germany as your crutch in these arguments. It is a sign of weakness on your part, Okie, an appeal to absurdity.

Cycloptichorn

As I explained above, it is not a crutch, it is a prime example that should be a reminder to you and all of us of what human nature is capable of sinking to, if moral principles are not honored and defended. And one of those is the sanctity of human life over that of animals. I happen to believe there is one God that created mankind as more sacred than animals, and I think this country is also founded upon that belief. If you are not in step with that, you are in very dangerous territory, cyclops, which we know is liberal territory.

There have been Freudian analyses of the Nazis, and similar to the progressive liberals, it rebelled against society being under the patriarchal elders (the historical old Prussians vs. the very young Nazis in high positions). Both (Nazis and liberal progressives) represent the "rebellious son," as opposed to the historical (conservative) patriarch running society, according to a Freudian view. So, Nazis and liberal progressives do not have to be compared regarding any willingness to cheapen the value of life, even though the taunt of "spread the wealth around" can be considered cheapening the life of someone that worked hard for one's wealth.

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@Gargamel,

Thanks, Gargie, for writing this. All-wet's racism is painful.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Do you find yourself wishing that okie's posts weren't so boring? They are snooze inducing.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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t is rather pathetic though, the way you reflexively reach for Nazi Germany as your crutch in these arguments. It is a sign of weakness on your part, Okie, an appeal to absurdity.

That persistence is part of the reason why his posts are so numbingly boring.

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@okie,

george bush and sarah palin are prime examples of what humans can sink to. So is leo strauss . . . who is the worst of all.

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This is part of a recent email from People for the American Way:

The Right has brought new vigor to an old front in their relentless attacks on our core values. Taking place right under our noses and going largely unrecognized as the dangerous threat that it is, the Right is stepping up its attempts to rewrite history.

As we just saw in last month's Texas textbook controversy... or on the airwaves every day on FOX News programs like Glenn Beck's... their revisionist history is based on outright lies. Unchallenged, it will prove a powerful tool for recruiting members of this generation and indoctrinating members of the next.

People For the American Way is fighting back against the hypocrisy of the Right's phony constitutional narrative AND against its dangerous attempts to rewrite history. This means we must change the debate over the courts and the Constitution, debunk the Right's misleading rhetoric and fight, tooth and nail, against attempts to indoctrinate students by injecting political propaganda into textbooks in place of history.

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@plainoldme,

If you put your cursor in the far right and hold down the right mouse button you can race right past them.

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@Foofie,

Do all people of wealth work hard for their wealth?
Do people of greater wealth work harder than people of lower wealth?

Are there people of great wealth who do little work?
Are there people of little wealth who do lots of work?

Upon what do you base your answers to these questions Foofie?

A comparison of Nazi's and Progressive Liberals is about the most worn-out cliche from the right there is these days. A comparison on the Nazi's can be made to any group (even modern day Israel, ironically), but it doesn't mean anything.

Argumentum ad Hitlerum is so passe
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@plainoldme,

People For the American Way have been lying about the Right, and Conservatives in particular, for years. They, and now the Odem too, continue to emulate Saul Alinsky's sick behavior and practice his sick doctrines.

The mentor of those who mentored Barack Obama when he was a community organizer in Chicago, was Saul Alinsky, who in his books, Reveille for Radicals, and Rules for Radicals, wrote:

Radicals should be "political relativists." and should take an agnostic view of means and ends;
The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals;
The radical organizer does not have a fixed truth—truth to him is relative and changing;
Radicals are not virtuous by not wanting power, because power is good and powerlessness is evil;
Life is a corrupting process;
He who fears corruption fears life;
The radical is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer;
The radical is building his own kingdom;
The radical’s purpose is to undermine the system by taking from the haves and giving it to the have-nots;
The stated cause is never the real cause, but only an occasion to advance the real cause;
The real cause is accumulation of power to make the revolution;
The standard of the revolution is a democracy which upends all social hierarchies, including those based on merit.

These rotters, if ultimately allowed to be successful, will destroy the rest of the human race as well as themselves.

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@ican711nm,

Left-Right Scale

LEFTISM~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.[/white]RIGHTISM
communism nazism fascism socialism statism democratism conservatism libertarianism anarchism

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

People For the American Way is fighting back against the hypocrisy of the Right's phony constitutional narrative AND against its dangerous attempts to rewrite history. This means we must change the debate over the courts and the Constitution, debunk the Right's misleading rhetoric and fight, tooth and nail, against attempts to indoctrinate students by injecting political propaganda into textbooks in place of history.

pom, you radicals on the Left are more transparent to some of us than you may think. It has long been known that Leftists, Communists and Nazis of history as an example, used and are using the very same tactics that they are accusing their opposition of. For example, Leftists have been rewriting history for a very long time, and in fact conservatives are beginning to fight back and try to combat some of that.

People for the American Way is a prime example of what I am talking about in the above. Although sounding American, even using the name they have carefully chose, they are about as unAmerican as you can get, in fact they are ultra leftists and socialists. Same for Center for American Progess, one of its more notable recent members was ultra-radical communist or Marxist, Van Jones, the Obama appointee to Green Jobs czar. Such people are not for American progress, they are for the complete overthrow and remaking of America. Anybody remember the chants for "Change, change, change?" Folks, that meant something, and it was not the kind of "change" most of the Obamabots thought it was.

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@ican711nm,

Your Rules for Radicalsl read the like they came from the Republican Party.

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@ican711nm,

Although no political system is perfect, I think the point on your scale labeled "conservatism" is about as healthy as one can find. When we've had sound conservative leadership, we have thrived as a country, and we have accomplished great things. A couple of the great periods in our history that can be cited as being presided over by great conservative leadership, and Republican as well, was that of the great Abraham Lincoln and also that of Dwight D. Eisenhower.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

Your Rules for Radicalsl read the like they came from the Republican Party.

You must not know how to read very well. Thats like saying oil and water mix, and they don't. Rules for Radicals is a communist leaning document, as Saul Alinsky was a known Marxist. Of course you should know this, but just in case you do not, perhaps you should do a little reading.

By the way, I noticed you never answered the point I made that Dick Lamm was a Democrat, the guy you quoted about how to do all the things to destroy America, such as not enforcing illegal immigration laws, which are exactly what your party and Lamm's party has been doing. Talk about dense thinking, it is all pretty amazing that none of this stuff ever soaks into your brain. You complain about illegal immigration, Advocate, but then you turn around and support the very party that is doing the exact opposite that you seem to want. Same principle applies to our Israel policy, as regards what you support. You are one dense dude. But I have a feeling you are a cultural leftist but you still have a remnant of common sense in regard to a couple of issues, but it must make you one person living in tremendous conflict, thats for sure.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

Your Rules for Radicalsl read the like they came from the Republican Party.

I should point out this is another example of Leftists accusing the right of their own crap. This relates to similar accusations made by pom above. But then, what should we expect, Leftists are irresponsible, they never wish to take responsibility for their own doings. Make the mess, then leave to go create another mess somewhere else, then accuse their opposition of making the previous mess. That is why their control of the history books is so important to them. And that is why it irritates them to the hilt that anyone would point out to them that Hitler was a Leftist, which he was, no ifs, ands, or buts. For daring to do that, I have been the butt of their ridicule for a long time, but we can throw it back at them and say what idiots they are, which is the absolute truth. Idiots for believing in leftism to begin with, and idiots to think their own ideology was not responsible for the messes that it has created in history.

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@failures art,

failures art wrote:

Do all people of wealth work hard for their wealth?
Do people of greater wealth work harder than people of lower wealth?

Are there people of great wealth who do little work?
Are there people of little wealth who do lots of work?

Is it any of your business? Or the government's business? It should only be the government's business when laws are broken. Such as in the case of Franklin Raines at Fannie Mae. Instead of letting the crook and Obama friend skate under a special deal, it would make more sense to enforce the law and make him pay the penalty by going to prison.

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A comparison of Nazi's and Progressive Liberals is about the most worn-out cliche from the right there is these days. A comparison on the Nazi's can be made to any group (even modern day Israel, ironically), but it doesn't mean anything.
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You are right, a comparison to Israel would not mean anything because it would be silly. Other comparisons such as to Progressive Liberals do mean something because they are logical. A comparison to Israel is illogical and nonsense.

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@failures art,

failures art wrote:

Do all people of wealth work hard for their wealth?
Do people of greater wealth work harder than people of lower wealth?

Are there people of great wealth who do little work?
Are there people of little wealth who do lots of work?

Upon what do you base your answers to these questions Foofie?

A comparison of Nazi's and Progressive Liberals is about the most worn-out cliche from the right there is these days. A comparison on the Nazi's can be made to any group (even modern day Israel, ironically), but it doesn't mean anything.

Argumentum ad Hitlerum is so passe
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Do I get three continuing education credits for answering your questions above? I think not!

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

failures art wrote:

Do all people of wealth work hard for their wealth?
Do people of greater wealth work harder than people of lower wealth?

Are there people of great wealth who do little work?
Are there people of little wealth who do lots of work?

Upon what do you base your answers to these questions Foofie?

A comparison of Nazi's and Progressive Liberals is about the most worn-out cliche from the right there is these days. A comparison on the Nazi's can be made to any group (even modern day Israel, ironically), but it doesn't mean anything.

Argumentum ad Hitlerum is so passe
R
T

Do I get three continuing education credits for answering your questions above? I think not!

If you don't plan to answer these questions, why reply that you won't answer them?

No. You don't get continuing education credits. You don't even get a cookie.

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@ican711nm,

I'm sorry, but, you have done nothing but demonstrate childish behavior and a totally unschooled intellect. Why do you expect to be taken seriously?

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