okie
 
  0  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 07:37 pm
@Butrflynet,
Butrflynet wrote:
At the time, based on the early estimates from BP on the amount of oil that was erupting from the site, the Administration probably thought that the offers of aid from other countries would be overkill and there would be too many cooks in the soup trying to mop up a small spot of oil.

And if this had been Bush's problem, what would you have said? You Obama apologists are so transparent, it isn't even funny.
Butrflynet
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 07:38 pm
@realjohnboy,
I don't think it is a deflection, I think it is a bit of truth telling. I was very happy to hear Obama pointing the finger back at us regular folks to include us in the circle of guilty parties and talk about the decades-long avoidance of seriously reducing our country's thirst for petroleum products. The media sure isn't doing it. Their conflict of interest is all that advertising revenue they get from products that depend on petroleum for production and ingredients.
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Butrflynet
 
  2  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 07:41 pm
@okie,
Given the same benefit of hindsight, I'd be saying the same thing Okie. And your response would be to apologize for Bush and blame it on Clinton.

You aren't immune to instigating giggles about your own transparency.



okie
 
  0  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 07:46 pm
@Butrflynet,
I can't say for sure but I would guess that with the higher degree of knowledge about oil drilling, Bush may have appreciated the value of such offers and might have taken them up on it right away. In contrast, Obama is clueless.
Butrflynet
 
  2  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 07:50 pm
@okie,
Speaking of clueless...

Quote:
I can't say for sure but I would guess...
realjohnboy
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 08:15 pm
@Butrflynet,
(As a total aside, Okie, I hope yall there in OK are ok following the torrential rains in your state. I don't think I know what part of OK you are in. I mean that sincerely).
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maporsche
 
  0  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 07:01 am
@Butrflynet,
This is what I hate about our politics. The partisenship on both sides is disgusting. This exchange and admission of similar behaviors when the other party is in charge is exactly why problems in our country will not get fixed. I have no respect for either position.

Why can't you both either agree that either

a) Bush ducked up the Katrina response AND Obama has ducked up the BP response

OR

b) Bush did the best he could have done AND Obama is doing the best he can do. And both are/did agonize over each tragedy.
maporsche
 
  0  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 07:03 am
@maporsche,
And Apple has serious problems with typing cuss words on the iPhone. I meant "fucked", not "ducked".
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 07:18 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

You're a sad ******* person, John.

Cycloptichorn


No, I'm a quite happy ******* person, Gregor.
djjd62
 
  1  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 07:26 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
This is what I hate about our politics. The partisenship on both sides is disgusting. This exchange and admission of similar behaviors when the other party is in charge is exactly why problems in our country will not get fixed. I have no respect for either position.


amen brother, goes back to what i said about carnies and rubes, the acrimony is between the followers not the leaders for the most part, wake up folks, the game is fixed, and you only win when they let you

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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 07:29 am
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

A very short speech.
Obama did not talk about kicking BP's ass.
He mentioned the ongoing effort to clean up the damage in the Gulf.
He devoted a lot of the 18 minutes to reducing dependence on fossil fuel.

That is what I heard. How about yall?


You didn't really expect him to use the term "kick ass:" did you?

Make no mistake though, forcing BP to cough up $20 billion for a Democrat slush fund which he claims will be adminsitered by an "independent" party to pay claims, is kicking their corporate ass big time. And expecting it to be used to restore the Gulf to pre-Katrina condition and to pay for the business losses caused by his moratorium on drilling is twisting the boot as it hits their butt.

You're right though, he did "mention" the ongoing effort to clean up the Gulf. I would have thought that, and plugging the damned leak, would have been the primary focus of the speech, but no...never let a good crisis go to waste.

He devoted most of the speech to resurrecting the moribund Cap & Tax bill through a cynical call to a "new generation," who he hopes will buy on to fantasies about the near term promise of wind and solar energy.

He also lied (yet again) when he said that oil companies have to drill in deep waters; miles out to sea because there are no or limited reserves on land or in shallow waters. This was a flat out lie.
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 07:42 am
@H2O MAN,
No, the left is not angry but the right is always angry, always name calling, always insulting, and, generally, wrong. More often than not, the right ignores facts. Most of you guys read on the 3rd to 6th grade level, judging from the comments that miss here! (And this forum has a higher level of literacy than most.)
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 07:45 am
@okie,
Please remove the letters "c" and "l" from your post.
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 07:46 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Letterman loves rebroadcasting the video of bush spitting on the WH lawn. Now, that is class!
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 07:47 am
@Cycloptichorn,
bush lied because he is a follower of Leo Strauss. condi rice lied for the same reason.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 07:52 am
@okie,
Higher schmigher! bush failed as a oilman just as he failed at everything his patrician father had this pisspoor scion set his hand to.

Look, you righties continually scream about the free market and make regulations your bugaboo.

Well, if the US held offshore drilling to the same standard that Canadians do, with the safety well almost in readiness, this disaster would not have happened.

Every childish right-winger in America, whether they are of the libertarian stripe, the fundamentalist Christian stripe, the free market stripe refuses to

1.) accept personal responsibility;

2.) refuses to acknowledge that rules are necessary.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 08:11 am



What an incredible waste of prime time TV.
djjd62
 
  2  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 08:13 am
@H2O MAN,
all prime time tv is a waste of tv
djjd62
 
  1  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 08:15 am
@djjd62,
actually tv is a waste of prime time
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Wed 16 Jun, 2010 08:16 am
@djjd62,


True, but PrezBO made it even more wasteful.
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