Obama '08?

"It was a great speech if you've been on another planet for the last 57 days".

"Ludicrous that he keeps saying Chu has a Nobel prize. "I'll barf if he does it one more time." (LOL!)

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I thought that the speech was weak, I dont think that Obama can successfully go back to the "never let a disaster go to waste" well. He is playing politics with a disaster that he had a hand in causing, both by not fixing MMS before now and not managing the response. I dont want to hear about how we need to go to green energy (which is not a solution for our energy problems anyways) or how this justifies big government (we have big government already, did not prevent this disaster). I want to hear how he is going to plug the damn hole, and how is is going to hold to account everyone who caused this to happen.

We see what BP does with the WH demand for a $20 billion set aside. I suspect that BP will say "**** off", but who knows.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

You're a sad ******* person, John.

Cycloptichorn

No, I'm a quite happy ******* person, Gregor.

I wasn't discussing your internal state, John, but instead what the rest of humanity must feel, about the fact that we have Jackals who walk around and call themselves people.

Nobody gives a **** whether you feel happy...

Cycloptichorn

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

We see what BP does with the WH demand for a $20 billion set aside. I suspect that BP will say "**** off", but who knows.

The Associated Press is reporting that the Feds may not have the power to make BP pay.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37720386/ns/disaster_in_the_gulf/

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

I thought that the speech was weak, I dont think that Obama can successfully go back to the "never let a disaster go to waste" well. He is playing politics with a disaster that he had a hand in causing, both by not fixing MMS before now and not managing the response. I dont want to hear about how we need to go to green energy (which is not a solution for our energy problems anyways) or how this justifies big government (we have big government already, did not prevent this disaster). I want to hear how he is going to plug the damn hole, and how is is going to hold to account everyone who caused this to happen.

We see what BP does with the WH demand for a $20 billion set aside. I suspect that BP will say "**** off", but who knows.

Dude, there is no answer as to 'how we are going to plug the damn hole.' That's the entire point. The situation is fundamentally unsatisfying because there is so little anyone can do.

I do agree that it wasn't his best speech, tho.

cycloptichorn

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@Irishk,

Irishk wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
We see what BP does with the WH demand for a $20 billion set aside. I suspect that BP will say "**** off", but who knows.

The Associated Press is reporting that the Feds may not have the power to make BP pay.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37720386/ns/disaster_in_the_gulf/

I don't think that's what that article says at all.

What more, I just heard on the news that BP is indeed setting aside 20 Billion into an ESCROW account today. So it looks like the Feds are getting something done there.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Dude, there is no answer as to 'how we are going to plug the damn hole.' That's the entire point. The situation is fundamentally unsatisfying because there is so little anyone can do.

some people said that we could not prevent Nazi Germany from having its way, some people said that we could not put a man on the moon, but we figured out a way to do it even though we had no idea at the start what would work. Don't tell me that we can't do something about one hole in the ocean floor with crude spewing out of it. America is a country deep into decline it is true, but we are not as incompetent as we have acted here.

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BP has agreed to 20 B escrow account (NYTimes)

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@dyslexia,

Just keep the dividends coming!

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Dude, there is no answer as to 'how we are going to plug the damn hole.' That's the entire point. The situation is fundamentally unsatisfying because there is so little anyone can do.

some people said that we could not prevent Nazi Germany from having its way, some people said that we could not put a man on the moon, but we figured out a way to do it even though we had no idea at the start what would work. Don't tell me that we can't do something about one hole in the ocean floor with crude spewing out of it. America is a country deep into decline it is true, but we are not as incompetent as we have acted here.

We can and are doing something about it - drilling relief wells. They will be complete sometime in August. Before that happens, there's nothing anyone can do to stop the flow of oil, especially in just a few month's time.

It took years to end the threat from Nazi Germany and the combined forces of most of the known world; the moon shot took a decade. You are talking about two months to do something that defies our best attempts to stop it with current materials science. You shouldn't be surprised when attempts don't work.

Cycloptichorn

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@Irishk,

Gosh ! It almost suggests that in a fit of deluded enthusiasm, we have elected as President a well spoken amateur, who has never organized anything more than a committee, and never managed anything more than his own political campaign. Could it be that the sainted Obama is not the annointed one, not the answer to all our problems?

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@georgeob1,

Obama: the guy is a Jack Ass!

PrezBO lacks common sense.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Gosh ! It almost suggests that in a fit of deluded enthusiasm, we have elected as President a well spoken amateur, who has never organized anything more than a committee, and never managed anything more than his own political campaign. Could it be that the sainted Obama is not the annointed one, not the answer to all our problems?

It was only Republicans who ever alleged that he was anything of the sort. Now you are turning around and attacking your own mocking characterizations of the man, as if that was some sort of trenchant criticism.

Cycloptichorn

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Could it be that the sainted Obama is not the anointed one, not the answer to all our problems?

The anointed one, Obama, has no experience solving problems... he is the problem.

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@dyslexia,

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The agreement was not final and was still being negotiated when President Obama and his top advisers met this morning with BP’s top executives and lawyers. Its preliminary terms would give BP several years to deposit the full amount into the fund so it could better manage cash flow, maintain its financial viability and not scare off investors.

The deal is not done...someone is jumping the gun. Also, $20 billion over many years is not acceptable...BP can slough it off at any time by putting which ever subsidiarity this is to be written under through bankruptcy. Nothing is real except the money that has been turned over to a third party, money which BP no longer controls.

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@Cycloptichorn,

i'd have to agree with that, love them or hate them, the dems had two candidates last time that really inspired the party (for right or wrong), the y chose one and were very enthusiastic in their support, leading to the "chosen one" mystique

the poor repubs had no real support for their man (and some lust for their woman)

i'm guessing things will be different this time around, this president (even it had been a republican) was doomed in my estimation, only a miracle would save this term no matter who was in power (which reaffirms my belief that the conservatives trough the election, a dud term for a conservative candidate following the mood of the end of the bush years would have been worse for the party than anything they are presently facing)

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

It was only Republicans who ever alleged that he was anything of the sort. Now you are turning around and attacking your own mocking characterizations of the man, as if that was some sort of trenchant criticism.

Cycloptichorn

You are misstating the facts and confusing the issue. I'm not aware of any Republicans who hailed Obama as the answer to our problems. Instead this was the reaction of many skeptics, including most Republicans, to the obvious excess enthusiasm of Obama supporters right from the start of his campaign. Many serious and skeptical people felt their voices drowned out by the slavish enthusiasm of the Obamaniacs and the suggestions of racism that were the usual response to any criticism.

Take a look at the early pages of this thread if you want some examples.

My comments were indeed mocking, but well deserved.

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PrezBO has entrusted Admiral Thad William Allen with the oil spill.

Does the community organizer in chief realize Admiral Thad William Allen is a Bush guy?

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Admiral Thad William Allen, USCG, (born January 16, 1949) served as the 23rd Commandant of the United States Coast Guard. Allen is best known for his widely praised performance directing the federal response to Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in the Gulf Coast region from September 2005 to January 2006. Robert J. Papp, Jr. succeeded him as Commandant on May 25, 2010, in a change of command ceremony.

Allen continues to serve on active duty in his role as National Incident Commander of the Unified Command for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Will Obama use Admiral Thad William Allen as his scape goat for his own presidential failure and blame Bush once again?

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@georgeob1,

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You are misstating the facts and confusing the issue. I'm not aware of any Republicans who hailed Obama as the answer to our problems.

Of course not, George. C'mon. Instead, what you did was characterize the support of the Democrats as illogical and quasi-religious in nature; even though the vast majority of us never had any such opinions about the man at all. You are attacking a fantasy projection that YOU created - not any real opinions held by Dems about the guy.

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My comments were indeed mocking, but well deserved.

No, they were not well-deserved at all. You aren't attacking reality but a strawman of your own construction - glomming the narrative you wish to argue against, onto your political opponents, is poor form.

But, we both know that you are just taking the opportunity to jab the opposition the same way that your side got constantly jabbed during the Bush years, so I understand where you are coming from.

Cycloptichorn

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