mysteryman
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 09:22 am
@Advocate,
So is it your opinion that anyone that asks a congressperson a question without IDing themselves first is a political operative?

And why was the question so bad?
If the congressman supports Obama, he should be willing to admit it.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 09:39 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

So is it your opinion that anyone that asks a congressperson a question without IDing themselves first is a political operative?

And why was the question so bad?
If the congressman supports Obama, he should be willing to admit it.


The Congressman apologized for his actions. But let's not pretend the guy wasn't being an asshole, MM. He was. It isn't a partisan thing on either side.

Cycloptichorn
DrewDad
 
  2  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 09:44 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Wanna know why? It isn't news. "The media" doesn't report on the Maury Povich show, either.

This is sensationalistic crap.
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Irishk
 
  0  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 09:47 am
@Cycloptichorn,
All true, but I have to say I appreciate it when people identify themselves before bombarding with questions. I get these schmoozy phone calls all the time ("Hello and how are you this fine day?") with the caller plunging into questions immediately and I hate it when I have to ask, "Who are you?". I'm always tempted to preach to them about phone etiquette lol....not that they'd listen.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 09:50 am
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:

All true, but I have to say I appreciate it when people identify themselves before bombarding with questions. I get these schmoozy phone calls all the time ("Hello and how are you this fine day?") with the caller plunging into questions immediately and I hate it when I have to ask, "Who are you?". I'm always tempted to preach to them about phone etiquette lol....not that they'd listen.


I preach to them about phone etiquette. I spend a lot of time on the phone, and failing to introduce yourself at the beginning of the call is unspeakably rude.

Cycloptichorn
Irishk
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 09:55 am
@Cycloptichorn,
So, wouldn't that apply to in-person interviews as well?
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 09:57 am
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:

So, wouldn't that apply to in-person interviews as well?


I think so. I don't like 'ambush' interviews where the person won't identify themselves, and it seems like the only ones who do this are Breitbart and O'reilly, two prime assholes.

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 10:03 am



None of this excuses a physical assault by the angry left.
djjd62
 
  2  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 10:04 am
@H2O MAN,
well to be fair it was a college student, and most of them need a good slap now and again
Irishk
 
  2  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 10:06 am
@H2O MAN,
Absolutely not. But...would be interesting to hear how the guy would have answered had the kid introduced himself first, "Hi, my name is ____and I'd like to know_______".
Advocate
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 10:07 am
@Advocate,
What Will History Say?
He's The Worst Ever


By Eric Foner
Sunday, December 3, 2006
The Washington Post

Ever since 1948, when Harvard professor Arthur Schlesinger Sr. asked 55 historians to rank U.S. presidents on a scale from "great" to "failure," such polls have been a favorite pastime for those of us who study the American past.

Changes in presidential rankings reflect shifts in how we view history. When the first poll was taken, the Reconstruction era that followed the Civil War was regarded as a time of corruption and misgovernment caused by granting black men the right to vote. As a result, President Andrew Johnson, a fervent white supremacist who opposed efforts to extend basic rights to former slaves, was rated "near great." Today, by contrast, scholars consider Reconstruction a flawed but noble attempt to build an interracial democracy from the ashes of slavery -- and Johnson a flat failure.

More often, however, the rankings display a remarkable year-to-year uniformity. Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Franklin D. Roosevelt always figure in the "great" category. Most presidents are ranked "average" or, to put it less charitably, mediocre. Johnson, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge and Richard M. Nixon occupy the bottom rung, and now President Bush is a leading contender to join them. A look at history, as well as Bush's policies, explains why.


At a time of national crisis, Pierce and Buchanan, who served in the eight years preceding the Civil War, and Johnson, who followed it, were simply not up to the job. Stubborn, narrow-minded, unwilling to listen to criticism or to consider alternatives to disastrous mistakes, they surrounded themselves with sycophants and shaped their policies to appeal to retrogressive political forces (in that era, pro-slavery and racist ideologues). Even after being repudiated in the midterm elections of 1854, 1858 and 1866, respectively, they ignored major currents of public opinion and clung to flawed policies. Bush's presidency certainly brings theirs to mind.

Harding and Coolidge are best remembered for the corruption of their years in office (1921-23 and 1923-29, respectively) and for channeling money and favors to big business. They slashed income and corporate taxes and supported employers' campaigns to eliminate unions. Members of their administrations received kickbacks and bribes from lobbyists and businessmen. "Never before, here or anywhere else," declared the Wall Street Journal, "has a government been so completely fused with business." The Journal could hardly have anticipated the even worse cronyism, corruption and pro-business bias of the Bush administration.

Despite some notable accomplishments in domestic and foreign policy, Nixon is mostly associated today with disdain for the Constitution and abuse of presidential power. Obsessed with secrecy and media leaks, he viewed every critic as a threat to national security and illegally spied on U.S. citizens. Nixon considered himself above the law.

Bush has taken this disdain for law even further. He has sought to strip people accused of crimes of rights that date as far back as the Magna Carta in Anglo-American jurisprudence: trial by impartial jury, access to lawyers and knowledge of evidence against them. In dozens of statements when signing legislation, he has asserted the right to ignore the parts of laws with which he disagrees. His administration has adopted policies regarding the treatment of prisoners of war that have disgraced the nation and alienated virtually the entire world. Usually, during wartime, the Supreme Court has refrained from passing judgment on presidential actions related to national defense. The court's unprecedented rebukes of Bush's policies on detainees indicate how far the administration has strayed from the rule of law.

One other president bears comparison to Bush: James K. Polk. Some historians admire him, in part because he made their job easier by keeping a detailed diary during his administration, which spanned the years of the Mexican-American War. But Polk should be remembered primarily for launching that unprovoked attack on Mexico and seizing one-third of its territory for the United States.

Lincoln, then a member of Congress from Illinois, condemned Polk for misleading Congress and the public about the cause of the war -- an alleged Mexican incursion into the United States. Accepting the president's right to attack another country "whenever he shall deem it necessary," Lincoln observed, would make it impossible to "fix any limit" to his power to make war. Today, one wishes that the country had heeded Lincoln's warning.

Historians are loath to predict the future. It is impossible to say with certainty how Bush will be ranked in, say, 2050. But somehow, in his first six years in office he has managed to combine the lapses of leadership, misguided policies and abuse of power of his failed predecessors. I think there is no alternative but to rank him as the worst president in U.S. history.

[email protected]


Eric Foner is DeWitt Clinton professor

of history at Columbia University.
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Advocate
 
  4  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 10:10 am
@H2O MAN,
There were 61 percent of 109 historians who ranked Bush as the worst ever.

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002804
H2O MAN
 
  -4  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 10:31 am
@Advocate,


All of them Liberals that haven't got a clue.
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H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 10:33 am
@djjd62,


Especially those that voted for Obama.
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ican711nm
 
  -3  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 10:43 am
I have provided ample evidence that the Odem (i.e., Obama democrats) are lying thieving gangsters working to reduce our Liberty under the rule of law, reduce our Constitutional Government, and reduce our Capitalist Economy.

While George Bush made numerous serious mistakes, he was not a lying thieving gangster working to reduce our Liberty under the rule of law, reduce our Constitutional Government, and reduce our Capitalist Economy.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 11:32 am
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:

Absolutely not. But...would be interesting to hear how the guy would have answered had the kid introduced himself first, "Hi, my name is ____and I'd like to know_______".


But he didn't and we can't turn back time and repeat the even under different circumstances.

What we do know is what is clear to see from the video.

It doesn't matter whether or not one believes the kid had the demeanor of a professional journalist or if his very simple question can in anyway be thought of as rude.

It also doesn't matter that other people have been embarrassed by either so-called ambush interviews or people with hidden cameras.

The congressman's reaction was inexcusable and he didn't even have the decency to apologize unconditionally.

The effect his ruffian behavior has on his political career will be up to his constituents in NC, and I certainly don't think a criminal investigation or charges are in order, but then I wouldn't have thought they were if the kid had hauled back and popped him after he refused to let go of his wrist and grabbed him around the neck.

But then this story would be all over the MST with the headline "Tea Party activist assaults Democratic Congressman over his support of the Obama agenda."
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djjd62
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 11:38 am
@ican711nm,
but he was still a politician, ie: scumbag of the highest order
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 12:37 pm


OBAMA-ISM

Gargamel
 
  1  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 12:45 pm
@H2O MAN,


H2O MAN-ISM
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Tue 15 Jun, 2010 12:49 pm
@Gargamel,


Gargoyle, why do you keep posting your family reunion videos here?
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