ican711nm
 
  -1  
Fri 21 May, 2010 04:32 pm
Here is more evidence that the Odem (i.e., Obamademocrats) are lying thieving gangsters working to reduce our Liberty, our Constitutional Government, and our Capitalist Economy.

Quote:
Government Pays Mosque it Considers Radical
IPT News
May 10, 2010

http://www.investigativeproject.org/1944/government-pays-mosque-it-considers-radical


Federal law enforcement officials call it a front for Hamas terrorists which "has been under numerous investigations for financing and [providing] aid and comfort to bad orgs and members."

The U.S. Census Bureau calls it landlord.

In gearing up for the 2010 Census, the General Services Administration (GSA) leased office space throughout the country. One location is a 6,654 square foot section of a two-story building on Edsall Road in Alexandria, Va. owned by the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque. The United States government is spending $582,000, or about $23,000 per month, to lease the space from November 2008 through the end of this year.

The GSA helped the Commerce Department find office space for the Census. A GSA spokeswoman did not respond to requests for comment or for clarification of the lease's true cost. Fairfax County property records indicate that Dar Al-Hijrah bought the 40,000-square-foot building in May 2008 for $5.8 million.

The Investigative Project on Terrorism obtained the reports referencing Dar al-Hijrah through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request seeking records related to a brief detention of Anwar al-Awlaki, a former imam at the mosque now considered a leading terrorist recruiter. Those records were copies of TECS reports " a computer database operated by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Some of the reports released to the IPT are redacted.

TECS data generally provides a summary narrative and referral to more detailed case references and case agent contacts.

The TECS reports dated in 2002 obtained under this FOIA stated that Dar Al-Hijrah was "associated with Islamic extremists" and was "operating as a front for Hamas operatives in U.S." A report dated in December, 2007, said the mosque "has been linked to numerous individuals linked to terrorism financing" and "has also been associated with encouraging fraudulent marriages." Another December 2007 report advised Dar Al-Hijrah, "has been under numerous investigations for financing and proving (sic) aid and comfort to bad orgs and members."

The TECS reports indicate that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) generated the information.

Federal law enforcement officials have become well acquainted with Dar al-Hijrah over the years.

It was home to Awlaki, the radical cleric, who today considered the inspiration to Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hassan and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian man who tried to detonate an explosive in his underpants on a flight to Detroit Christmas Day. Reports also indicate that Times Square attempted bomber Faisal Shahzad was inspired in part by Awlawki.

In February, Dar Al-Hijrah hosted a fundraiser for Sabri Benkahla, who is serving a 10-year federal prison sentence after being convicted in 2007 for obstruction of justice, perjury before a grand jury, and making false official statements to the FBI in the course of an investigation into the Virginia Jihad terror cell.

Other mosque founders and officials have been implicated in Hamas-support efforts.

One founder, Ismail Elbarasse, was an assistant to Hamas leader Mousa Abu Marzook. It was in Elbarasse's former home in Northern Virginia that FBI agents found a trove of internal documents from the Palestine Committee, a Hamas-support network in America created by the Muslim Brotherhood.

According to an FBI memorandum, Mohammad al-Hanooti was known publicly as "an active HAMAS supporter, purportedly holding fund-raising activities, as well as supporting visitors to the United States from Israel and Jordan, to speak on behalf of HAMAS." Al-Hanooti was Dar Al-Hijrah's imam from 1995-1999.

A former mosque trustee, Abdulhaleem Al-Ashqar, was convicted of contempt and obstruction of justice for refusing to testify about Hamas fundraising in the U.S. He helped organize a 1993 meeting of Hamas members and sympathizers in Philadelphia.

Attempts to obtain a copy of the lease from the GSA have been unsuccessful. A written request for a copy was submitted April 13, and its receipt was confirmed by a spokeswoman. The IPT sent a list of questions about the lease arrangement and the contents of the TECS reports to the GSA last Wednesday. A spokeswoman said the agency was "working on it," but could not say if it would ever issue a response.

In addition to the Census office, the Edsall Road building is home to a school run by the mosque and the Muslim American Society (MAS). A 2004 Chicago Tribune investigation found that MAS was the American branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Some of this information is publicly available. And the GSA could have learned about the DHS TECS reports by requesting a Federal Protective Service background check on its vendor.

The contract expires at the end of the year.

Read more at:
http://www.investigativeproject.org/1944/government-pays-mosque-it-considers-radical

We shall lawfully remove the Odem from our federal government.

ican711nm
 
  0  
Fri 21 May, 2010 04:45 pm
Here is more evidence that the Odem (i.e., Obamademocrats) are lying thieving gangsters working to reduce our Liberty, our Constitutional Government, and our Capitalist Economy.

Quote:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped-into-health-bill/

Costly IRS Mandate Slipped into Health Bill
Posted by Chris Edwards

Most people know about the individual mandate in the new health care bill, but the bill contained another mandate that could be far more costly.

A few wording changes to the tax code’s section 6041 regarding 1099 reporting were slipped into the 2000-page health legislation. The changes will force millions of businesses to issue hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of additional IRS Form 1099s every year. It appears to be a costly, anti-business nightmare.

Under current law, businesses are required to issue 1099s in a limited set of situations, such as when paying outside consultants. The health care bill includes a vast expansion in this information reporting requirement in an attempt to raise revenue for an increasingly rapacious Congress.

In a recent summary, tax information firm RIA notes the types of transactions covered by the new 1099 rules:

The 2010 Health Care Act adds “amounts in consideration for property” (Code Sec. 6041(a) as amended by 2010 Health Care Act §9006(b)(1)) and “gross proceeds” (Code Sec. 6041(a) as amended by 2010 Health Care Act §9006(b)(2)) to the pre-2010 Health Care Act categories of payments for which an information return to IRS will be required if the $600 aggregate payment threshold is met in a tax year for any one payee. Thus, Congress says that for payments made after 2011, the term “payments” includes gross proceeds paid in consideration for property or services.

Basically, businesses will have to issue 1099s whenever they do more than $600 of business with another entity in a year. For the $14 trillion U.S. economy, that’s a hell of a lot of 1099s. When a business buys a $1,000 used car, it will have to gather information on the seller and mail 1099s to the seller and the IRS. When a small shop owner pays her rent, she will have to send a 1099 to the landlord and IRS. Recipients of the vast flood of these forms will have to match them with existing accounting records. There will be huge numbers of errors and mismatches, which will probably generate many costly battles with the IRS.

Tax CPA Chris Hesse of LeMaster Daniels tells me:

Under the health legislation, the IRS could be receiving billions of more documents. Under current law, businesses send Forms 1099 for payments of rent, interest, dividends, and non-employee services when such payments are to entities other than corporations. Under the new law, businesses will be required to send a 1099 to other businesses for virtually all purchases. And for the first time, 1099s are to be sent to corporations. This is a huge new imposition on American business, costing the private economy much more than any additional tax that the IRS might collect as a result.

There appears to have been little discussion before this damaging mandate was slipped into the health bill and rammed through Congress, but a few business groups did raise concerns. Here’s what the Air Conditioner Contractors of America said:

The House bill would extend the Form 1099 filing requirement to ALL vendors (including corporate) to which they pay more than $600 annually for services or property. Consider all the payments a small business makes in the course of business, paying for things such as computers, software, office supplies, and fuel to services, including janitorial services, coffee services, and package delivery services.

In order to file all these 1099s, you’ll need to collect the necessary information from all your service providers. In order to comply with the law, you would have to get a Taxpayer Information Number or TIN from the business. If the vendor does not supply you with a TIN, you are obligated to withhold on your payments.

Private transactions are the core of a market economy, and the source of America’s growth and prosperity. Now the federal government is imposing a vast new web of red tape on perhaps billions of these growth-generating private exchanges.

For what purpose? So the spendthrift Congress can shake a few extra bucks out of private industry? The business sector is the generator of America’s high living standards, but most federal legislators just see it as a kitty to be raided or a cow to be milked dry.

I’m stunned that there wasn’t a broader debate before such a costly mandate was enacted. If it goes into effect, it will waste vast quantities of human effort in filling out forms, reworking computer systems, collecting and organizing data, and fighting the IRS. The struggling American economy can’t afford anymore suffocating tax regulations. This mandate is a giant deadweight loss. It should be repealed.

Chris Edwards • April 26, 2010 @ 11:57 am

We shall lawfully remove the Odem from our federal government.

Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Fri 21 May, 2010 04:47 pm
@ican711nm,
You've already posted this exact same piece before. Please don't clog up our threads with repeats, as you have - again - been told in the past not to do.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Fri 21 May, 2010 04:53 pm
Here is more evidence that the Odem (i.e., Obamademocrats) are lying thieving gangsters working to reduce our Liberty, our Constitutional Government, and our Capitalist Economy.

Quote:

Posted: May 14, 2010
4:48 pm Eastern

© 2010 WorldNetDaily


WASHINGTON " The U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services, a division of the Department of Homeland Security, already has drafted a plan for processing 13 million illegal alien applicants for amnesty in a 30-week period at an estimated cost of $1 billion, WND has learned.

The plan, a copy of which was obtained by WND, anticipates the approval of so-called "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" legislation pending in Congress and assumes a nine-month ramp-up period for processing of applications.

The undated draft report anticipates the possibility of the legislation requiring public benefits to amnesty applicants.

"If the statute requires interim benefits while application pending, issue discreet variant of status document (shorter term duration that [sic] if issued after prospective immigrant status granted)," the 14-page memo states.

Under the plan, applicants 14 through 79 years old would be required to submit themselves for photographs, a full set of fingerprints and a signature. A photo and single print would be required for others.

Only one outside contractor is discussed in the memo " Northrop Grumman " and the plan suggests negotiating a contract now, even before the legislation is approved. It also calls for volunteer help at local service centers and field offices.

The last time Washington attempted a push for amnesty under the guise of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform," under President George W. Bush in 2007, the project triggered an outcry from talk radio and the public. It failed as a result. However, the political makeup of the Congress has changed since then, becoming even more Democratic.

Democrat leaders recognize their control of both houses is in jeopardy in the November elections but are determined to pass the amnesty program " though they abhor that word.

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., has enlisted evangelical leaders to promote the plan. Democrats are determined to get at least some Republican support for the measure so the party is not held to account for amnesty like it is for another unpopular piece of legislation following the health-care debate that already threatens many Democrat seats.

Even Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C., formerly vociferous proponents of the plan during the Bush administration, have distanced themselves from efforts in the Senate to revive it.

"You can play a vital role," Schumer told religious leaders including Richard Land of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission and Mathew of Liberty Counsel, saying Republicans have great respect for them. "So please, if you could, help us get some Republicans just to sit in a room and talk to us."

We shall lawfully remove the Odem from our federal government.

okie
 
  -1  
Fri 21 May, 2010 08:45 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Hitler is closer to the American right than to any other political position in the world.

And the whole business about saying a lie over and over again was originally coined to describe the Republican party.

I will not let that comment pass. It is absolute and total complete garbage, as is typical of your posts. Hitler was a leftist in may respects, in fact he was a socialist, although just a nationalist socialist, not an international one, which would have been closer to the communists of his day. Hitler in fact railed against capitalists, the rich, and Jews, which in fact you could have heard similar from the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, as apparently Obama did and apparently agreed with. I reject your politics and the people that think like you do, pom. It is you and the Democrats that lie constantly, and you just told a whopper about the Republican party.
okie
 
  -1  
Fri 21 May, 2010 08:50 pm
@kuvasz,
kuvasz wrote:

If so, okie then could you give us a reason why YOU posted the results of a popularity poll?


I did not post the results of a popularity poll. That is your term for it, which is not accurate. It is a poll that shows the percentages of people that strongly approve or strongly disapprove of Obama's performance as president. Do you also have to lie about what the poll is showing, kuvasz?
kuvasz
 
  3  
Fri 21 May, 2010 09:32 pm
@okie,
Okie,

If you don't believe that polling people about whether they approve or disaprove of a president's performance is not a popularity poll just what would be?

Don't be so obtuse, you still won't admit that you yourself did what you objected to later, political spin viz., attempting to spin the Rasmussen polling data to support your subjective position that the American people don't support Barack Obama. To promote that you used the only data source available that corroborated your position. Flat out, you cherry-picked the data, and its not the first time you have been caught at it. But, when it was pointed out to you the data source was suspected of being slanted, and evidence produced showing it, you ignored the evidence and instead proclaim that a political poll asking a questioner if he approves or disaproves of a president's performance is not a popularity poll.

You got caught doing what you criticized.

You can't seriously expect adults to engage in intelligent conversations with you if your mind works in such an unsophisticated fashion.
okie
 
  1  
Fri 21 May, 2010 09:41 pm
@kuvasz,
Absolute nonsense. I use Rasmussen, I openly admit it and am not ashamed of it, because I think he is a credible pollster. He polls people not on how popular Obama is, but on how people approve or disapprove of the job he is doing. Rasmussen has proven his polls to be fairly credible.

No poll or pollster is perfect. If you like another poll better, feel free to post them, kuvasz. But for you to claim Rasmussen is not credible because he was an outlier in polls and actually has predicted elections better than most of his competition, I find that a pretty stupid statement. I think accuracy is better than being politically correct along with everyone else that is skewed in the wrong direction.
okie
 
  1  
Fri 21 May, 2010 09:47 pm
@kuvasz,
kuvasz wrote:

You can't seriously expect adults to engage in intelligent conversations with you if your mind works in such an unsophisticated fashion.

If being politically correct or ultra liberal means being sophisticated, no thanks, I would rather have unsophisticated common sense any day. I am not going to throw out common sense in favor of your so-called idiotic sophistication.
kuvasz
 
  1  
Fri 21 May, 2010 10:02 pm
@okie,
You still don't get it do you? We know already that you are intellectually shameless. It is just that you used a highly suspect data source to support your position.

You are free to use any political polling organization you like to forward your political agenda, as long a I am allowed to point out how tainted, and outlier a source it is.

You still don't understand that asking a person how much you approve or disapprove of how a president is doing his job is a popularity poll.
kuvasz
 
  3  
Fri 21 May, 2010 10:14 pm
@okie,
Quote:
If being politically correct or ultra liberal means being sophisticated, no thanks, I would rather have unsophisticated common sense any day. I am not going to throw out common sense in favor of your so-called idiotic sophistication.


Sorry fella' the sophistication of thought is a priori to anyone's ideology, and what you call common sense is best referred to in the real world as willful ignorance.

Just look at your remarks about calling Hitler, a Leftist. Your remarks are so ******* stupid and devoid of historical accuracy and context as to be laughable. Again, you exhibit the world sophistication of a 14 year old who has never left his own basement.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Fri 21 May, 2010 11:14 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

And the whole business about saying a lie over and over again was originally coined to describe the Republican party.


This is simply incorrect, and, considering the source, nonsense.

Hitler first coined the term "big lie" in Mein Kampf.

The following is often attributed to Josef Goebbels, but an actual source can't be cited.

Quote:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


Vladimir Lenin is quoted as saying

Quote:
A lie told often enough becomes truth.


William James is quoted as saying

Quote:
"There's nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it."


No matter which one you think coined the notion, none of them were referring to the Republican Party.

Didn't you write the following just a few days ago?

Quote:
I never distort facts.


http://able2know.org/topic/144172-68#post-3994401
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Always Eleven to him
 
  1  
Fri 21 May, 2010 11:18 pm
@okie,
I see so many things to reply to. Where do I start?

okie wrote:
Quote:
Today's term "progressive" basically translates into ultra socialist or communist . . . .


Ummm, according to dictionary.com:

Quote:
pro•gres•sive   [pruh-gres-iv] Show IPA "adjective 1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, esp. in political matters: a progressive mayor.


I believe that the term could be used to describe either the Republican or the Democratic party. It certainly appears from your posts that what you advocate you see as an improvement or reform. You most certainly do not, I take from your posts, "wish[] to maintain things as they are."

Words are my stock-in-trade. I use them precisely. Please do the same.

okie also wrote:

Quote:
Hitler was a leftist in may respects, in fact he was a socialist, although just a nationalist socialist, not an international one, which would have been closer to the communists of his day. Hitler in fact railed against capitalists, the rich, and Jews . . . .
.

Please check your history. As with language, precision is key here.

Hitler was virulently anti-Communist, managed to “suppress” the German Communist Party (the KPD), and imprisoned party members in concentration camps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany#The_Nazi_era

In fact:

Quote:
Hitler was less interested in the "socialist" aspect of "national socialism" beyond moving Social Welfare administration from the Church to the State. Himself of provincial lower-middle-class origins, he disliked the mass working class of the big cities, and had no sympathy with the notions of attacking private property or the business class (which some early Nazis espoused).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

Quote:
Nazi ideology stressed the failures of communism, liberalism, and democracy, and supported the "racial purity of the German people" and that of other Northwestern Europeans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

Once again, precision and accuracy are more persuasive than hyperbole.

Now on to the next topic:

plainoldme wrote:

Quote:
The manner in which the questions are stated will predetermine the outcome. There are ways to state questions to obtain the answers the pollster wants.


What plainoldme stated is also known as the leading question.

Quote:
In common law systems that rely on testimony by witnesses, a leading question is a question that suggests the answer or contains the information the examiner is looking for.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_question

Leading questions may not be asked of witnesses on direct examination in court, Federal Rules of Evidence, Rule 611(c), precisely because they suggest the answer the examiner (read pollster) wants to hear.

So, if leading questions can’t be used in court because they’re unreliable, why would a pollster using them make them any more reliable?

okie replied:

Quote:
I have known that for a very long time about liberal pollsters.


From the tenor of this thread, using the leading question is not limited to liberal or conservative pollsters. Unbiased pollsters will use questions that don’t suggest the answer the pollster is looking for.

And last, but not least:

kuvasz wrote:

Quote:
The important thing in an election is not simply that you like the candidate, but that you like him enough versus the other guy that you vote for him, so in a poll that asks if you like Obama is completely different than a poll asking if you would vote for the guy versus another candidate.


And when kuvasz pointed out that approval v disapproval is a popularity poll, okie replied:

Quote:
I use Rasmussen, I openly admit it and am not ashamed of it, because I think he is a credible pollster. He polls people not on how popular Obama is, but on how people approve or disapprove of the job he is doing.


From Dictionary.com:

Quote:
ap•prove   [uh-proov] Show IPA verb, -proved, -prov•ing. "verb (used with object) 1. to speak or think favorably of; pronounce or consider agreeable or good; judge favorably: to approve the policies of the administration.

dis•ap•prove   [dis-uh-proov] Show IPA verb,-proved, -prov•ing. "verb (used with object) 1. to think (something) wrong or reprehensible; censure or condemn in opinion. 2. to withhold approval from; decline to sanction: The Senate disapproved the nominations. "verb (used without object) 3. to have an unfavorable opinion; express disapproval (usually fol. by of).


I’ll finish this post the way I started it:

Quote:
Words are my stock-in-trade. I use them precisely. Please do the same.

Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 21 May, 2010 11:39 pm
@Always Eleven to him,
Quote:
Words are my stock-in-trade. I use them precisely. Please do the same.


Sorry, but a comment like this is precisely why you seem to be a pretentious prig.
kuvasz
 
  1  
Fri 21 May, 2010 11:45 pm
@Always Eleven to him,
to 11 and okie

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/uploaded_images/humpty-dumpty-795696.gif
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Sat 22 May, 2010 08:15 am
@ican711nm,
Oh, Dem Golden Slippers!
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Sat 22 May, 2010 08:15 am
@ican711nm,
Dem golden slippers are fine to wear because they look so neat!
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Sat 22 May, 2010 08:16 am
@ican711nm,
Dem golden slippers fit
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Sat 22 May, 2010 08:18 am
@okie,
When are you ever going to read some basic texts on political science and economics? Start with high school texts because your lack of knowledge is that profound.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Sat 22 May, 2010 08:19 am
@kuvasz,
Thank you for re-inforcing that okie's mind is unsophisticated. Let us hope that he enrolls in an adult education class.
 

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