Obama '08?

@okie,

We deserved neither bush 1 nor bush 2 nor nixon.

@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

This is so amusing considering that Republican principles, or lack thereof, got us into the terrible messes this country has been in over the past decade. Bush and company lied us into a horrible war, foolishly occupied another country, ruined the economy, which cost eight million jobs, trashed trillions from the economy, and had the only decade in history in which this country had a net loss of jobs. And you want people to vote Republican? LOL

First of all, your post is all lies, distortions, or exaggerations.

Secondly, to make one minor correction, I want people to vote conservative. That almost never means vote Democrat. Most of the time, Republican is the closest to conservative we can get, so yes, that is the best choice most of the time.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

We deserved neither bush 1 nor bush 2 nor nixon.

Well, the morons that voted for Obama deserve him. Those of us that didn't vote for him do not.

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@okie,

morons who put people on ignore and are then so insecure that they have to post that they put them on ignore have zero integrity. I have a number of people on ignore but I don't have a constant need to post that I have them on ignore. Okie and Finn seem to have that need.

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@dyslexia,

dyslexia wrote:

morons who put people on ignore and are then so insecure that they have to post that they put them on ignore have zero integrity. I have a number of people on ignore but I don't have a constant need to post that I have them on ignore. Okie and Finn seem to have that need.

How about morons who accuse people of things they simply do not do? How much integrity do they have?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

do you really want to deny what you already posted?

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@dyslexia,

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morons who put people on ignore and are then so insecure that they have to post that they put them on ignore have zero integrity.

I can only take that to mean that I have abled members to know a few posters who are morons the majority of whom have zero integrity. I'll refrain from listing them.

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Is Obama's approval numbers headed for new lows in the days and weeks ahead? Of interest is the following from Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
"Fifty-five percent (55%) would like to see an immigration law like Arizona’s for their own state. Most voters (56%) also favor repeal of the recently passed health care law."
"Larry Sabato takes a race-by-race look at the 2010 Senate races and sees a Republican net gain in the neighborhood of not less than 4 or 5 seats, and quite conceivably, up to 7 or 8 seats.” Rasmussen Reports will release new, post-primary results for the races in Kentucky, Pennsylvania, and Arkansas today and tomorrow."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/may_2010/obama_approval_index_may_20_2010/314953-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_may_20_2010.jpg

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@okie,

Why is it no surprize that you use tainted poll numbers?

Polling numbers generated by Rasmussen Reports are single-handedly propping up Republicans in national composite tracking indexes.

Tracking polls don't actually count for anything when it comes to tabulating ballots, but they do have a big impact on narrative, and the impact of Rasmussen's numbers on the overall composite is shockingly consistent in polling lower numbers for Democratics than Republicans.

You are attempting to use a Republican house polling organization as something it isn't; viz., honest.

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Obama's Job Rating

Approve Disap-
prove Approve
minus
% % Disapprove

AP-GfK *
49 50 - 1 5/7-11/10

NBC/Wall St. Journal
50 44 6 5/6-10/10

Ipsos/McClatchy *
52 43 9 5/6-9/10

Pew
47 42 5 5/6-9/10

FOX/OD RV
48 43 5 5/4-5/10

CBS/New York Times
51 39 12 4/28 - 5/2/10

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@kuvasz,

kuvasz wrote:

Why is it no surprize that you use tainted poll numbers?

Polling numbers generated by Rasmussen Reports are single-handedly propping up Republicans in national composite tracking indexes.

Tracking polls don't actually count for anything when it comes to tabulating ballots, but they do have a big impact on narrative, and the impact of Rasmussen's numbers on the overall composite is shockingly consistent in polling lower numbers for Democratics than Republicans.

You are attempting to use a Republican house polling organization as something it isn't; viz., honest.

Why is it no surprise that kuvasz shows up to accuse any poll he doesn't like to be tainted. kuvasz only likes polls or so-called news organizations that are biased, skewed, and tainted toward Democrats? Actually, Rasmussen turned out to be one of the most accurate in the last presidential election, but of course your news sources probably would not have told you that, kuvasz.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

kuvasz wrote:

Why is it no surprize that you use tainted poll numbers?

Polling numbers generated by Rasmussen Reports are single-handedly propping up Republicans in national composite tracking indexes.

Tracking polls don't actually count for anything when it comes to tabulating ballots, but they do have a big impact on narrative, and the impact of Rasmussen's numbers on the overall composite is shockingly consistent in polling lower numbers for Democratics than Republicans.

You are attempting to use a Republican house polling organization as something it isn't; viz., honest.

Why is it no surprise that kuvasz shows up to accuse any poll he doesn't like to be tainted. kuvasz only likes polls or so-called news organizations that are biased, skewed, and tainted toward Democrats? Actually, Rasmussen turned out to be one of the most accurate in the last presidential election, but of course your news sources probably would not have told you that, kuvasz.

Bullshit! The only poll that is regularly accused of being tainted is Ras, because they consistently are out of sync with ALL other polling, in favor of Conservative positions. Every time.

You have been patiently told over and over again that there is a difference between Issue polling and Race polling, and you are using Ras' track record on one to support them on the other, which is logically fallacious.

If you were honest, you would quote other pollsters besides Rasmussen. But you don't, because the point isn't to get an honest look at public opinion, it is to find evidence to support your opinion.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

"Monday, November 10, 2008
Rasmussen and Pew Most Accurate 2008 Presidential Polls

Rasmussen Reports and Pew were the most accurate presidential polling outfits this election says Fordham University's Costas Panagopoulos. Both nailed the actual results with their final polls.
Interestingly, some of the bigger more publicized polls were the most inaccurate. Newsweek's brought up the rear in 23rd place. CBS, NBC, ABC, Gallup, Zogby and The New York Times all finished in the bottom half. Of course, some of the poor performers also had the furthest out polling dates too.

Most of the polls, 17 of them, had overestimated Barack Obama's strength."

http://dullardmush.blogspot.com/2008/11/rasmussen-and-pew-most-accurate-2008.html

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@okie,

okie wrote:

"Monday, November 10, 2008
Rasmussen and Pew Most Accurate 2008 Presidential Polls

Rasmussen Reports and Pew were the most accurate presidential polling outfits this election says Fordham University's Costas Panagopoulos. Both nailed the actual results with their final polls.
Interestingly, some of the bigger more publicized polls were the most inaccurate. Newsweek's brought up the rear in 23rd place. CBS, NBC, ABC, Gallup, Zogby and The New York Times all finished in the bottom half. Of course, some of the poor performers also had the furthest out polling dates too.

Most of the polls, 17 of them, had overestimated Barack Obama's strength."

http://dullardmush.blogspot.com/2008/11/rasmussen-and-pew-most-accurate-2008.html

God damn. How many times are you Conservative idiots going to link to the Fordham thing which was done before the final vote count was finished. In the end, after military, provisional and mail-in ballots were counted, Ras was no better than 5 other organizations.

You guys will never, ever let facts get in the way of your message, will you? You have been specifically told about this Forham thing several times. Both I and Parados have pointed this out to you. Yet you ignore it and keep re-posting it. Intellectually weak and dumb.

Not only that, but once again you are conflating Election polls with Opinion polls. A point which I raised, but you didn't address.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

You know the name of that tune, Cyclo. Lie or truth, fact or fiction, all you have to do is repeat it over and over and enough dimwits will start to believe it.

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@Cycloptichorn,

So out of 23 polls, only 5 were better then the Ras poll?

I would say that is pretty good.

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@mysteryman,

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So out of 23 polls, only 5 were better then the Ras poll?

I would say that is pretty good.

I totally don't understand this alleged political bias of pollster argument. They are either right or they are not, we can instantly tell if they are correct about elections, on the other stuff we have a lot of other pollsters to compare them to. Who cares who Rasmussen works for, or what his/their politics are? Analyse the product, if the product is flawed this can be proven.

I see no other explanation possible for these political objections than that this is the act of trying to throw sand in our eyes.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

So out of 23 polls, only 5 were better then the Ras poll?

I would say that is pretty good.

Those 5 weren't even 'better.' They were all equally good. My point isn't that Ras election polling is bad, it isn't. It is that:

1, it isn't the 'best' and certainly not based on an incomplete study,

2, Okie has had exactly this pointed out to him several times, and

3, the difference between Ras issue polling and race polling is huge.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I dont know, so I will have to take your word for it.
My opinion about polls is well known, and it hasnt changed over the years.

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@Advocate,

My younger son and I were just talking about how far removed today's Republican Party is from the party of Lincoln. During the 19th C., the Republicans were the party of the progressives, of Abolitionists, of Feminists, and, yes, of big government. Well, they still are the party of big government, they pretend not to be.

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