Obama '08?

@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

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GET READY FOR A BIG MEDIA BLITZ - THEY'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE AMERICA THAT '0' IS DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR OUR COUNTRY. -Of course he's not!! He's driving us straight to destruction!!
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Yesterday's Morning Bell: Our Long National Obamacare Nightmare is Just Beginning

The media is the only hope for Obama to convince everyone the guy has any marbles at all, but then again that is how a "community organizer" with no other useful experience from corrupt Chicago got elected president, the media trumped up the guy. Am I still the only one trying to figure out what a community organizer actually does, besides call himself that because he wants to be special? In Oklahoma, our communities were well organized, going back to the 1800's, and then the families organized their households, the kids went to school, and then they usually got married and had jobs and then supported them. Of course, they went to the county clerk and registered to vote if they wanted to vote. None of it was complicated, I do not ever recall any goofball coming to our door and announcing that he was going to organize our community, and if he or she had, we probably would have told them to get lost and get a job. The whole issue of there even being something called a "community organizer" still cracks me up, and I still find it incredible that such a person could be elected president based upon such a silly concept, ican.

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@okie,

As opposed to a guy who ran every business he ran into the ground?

You guys are always good for a laugh, Okie. You really have no idea what life is like outside of your rural existence, do you?

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

You really have no idea what life is like outside of your rural existence, do you?

Cycloptichorn

A rural existence is vastly more realistic than that of Berkeley, I can tell you that. We actually know what it is like to produce something useful instead of living in an artificial and academic unrealistic world getting paid to indoctrinate people with propaganda. The Great Plains is the bread basket of the world and we feed a significant portion of the world.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
You really have no idea what life is like outside of your rural existence, do you?

Cycloptichorn

A rural existence is vastly more realistic than that of Berkeley, I can tell you that. We actually know what it is like to produce something useful instead of living in an artificial and academic unrealistic world getting paid to indoctrinate people with propaganda. The Great Plains is the bread basket of the world and we feed a significant portion of the world.

What a ******* joke. California produces far more food then your state does, Okie. And I would bet that the GDP of the Bay Area exceeds that of your entire state, Okie. That the value of San Francisco alone exceeds that of your entire state. You don't know the first thing about CA or where I live or anything outside of your own little podunk, vastly white, farming corner of the world, do you?

Have you even ever been here? I've been to OK. And it's sure nothing to write home about.

As for the propaganda, that's pretty funny coming from a dude who sucks right off of Limbaugh's tit.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

His point is that the wisdom of the simple rural man may be more valuable than that of the elitist acedemic...and he is right.

You learned guys think that you are all that, but a lot of the time you are full of bad learning....ie useless or worse.

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You guys are in great form tonight. When it settles down here, I would like to ask the gentleman from OK a question or two about something else, totally unrelated. Let me know when yall are worn out. -Real(from still the largest producer of moonshine in the U.S.)JohnBoy in Virginia

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@hawkeye10,

what about country elitists, we're not all seeds and rubes out here you know

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@djjd62,

ya well, you understand my point I hope. I am old enough to remember guys like my grandpa, who was a farmer who never got past the 5th grade, who worked the land and tended his animals 14 hours a day usually by himself, who was more wise than most of the know it alls around here.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

His point is that the wisdom of the simple rural man may be more valuable than that of the elitist acedemic...and he is right.

You learned guys think that you are all that, but a lot of the time you are full of bad learning....ie useless or worse.

Verily, this statement epitomizes the anti-intellectualism viewpoint: that the more learning and education one has, the less they know about 'real life.'

It is an assertion not only unprovable but designed to comfort those who don't have the faculties to rise to the highest levels. Not something to be proud of.

I wonder what 'country wisdom' means? And how does it differ from 'city wisdom?'

Cycloptichorn

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

You guys are in great form tonight. When it settles down here, I would like to ask the gentleman from OK a question or two about something else, totally unrelated. Let me know when yall are worn out. -Real(from still the largest producer of moonshine in the U.S.)JohnBoy in Virginia

You don't have to wait, just ask away. Half the reason we get into pissing matches is because there's nothing else being talked about.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Verily, this statement epitomizes the anti-intellectualism viewpoint: that the more learning and education one has, the less they know about 'real life.

No, what it means is that when I evaluate the level of wisdom and smarts of the guy next to me they guy who has a lot of formal education does not have an advantage. The guy who is both naturally sharp as well as self taught does, and he could just as well have a long school resume or none at all.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

What a ******* joke. California produces far more food then your state does, Okie. And I would bet that the GDP of the Bay Area exceeds that of your entire state, Okie. That the value of San Francisco alone exceeds that of your entire state. You don't know the first thing about CA or where I live or anything outside of your own little podunk, vastly white, farming corner of the world, do you?

Have you even ever been here? I've been to OK. And it's sure nothing to write home about.

As for the propaganda, that's pretty funny coming from a dude who sucks right off of Limbaugh's tit.

Cycloptichorn

Yes, I have been there, numerous times. Fact is, many of my relatives live in California, and some because they left Oklahoma early in the early 1900's as so many others left Oklahoma as well during hard times. Yes, I agree, California is a great state and a very highly productive state, including agriculture, but that does not diminish what the heartland of America does in the way of grain production, chiefly wheat, it truly is very unique in that respect. And yes, Oklahoma is not perfect, nor are the citizens, but I do believe heartland folks are well grounded, realistic, very hard working, and solid Americans, and yes, very conservative because of their culture.

Beyond what I have said, I also think the Left Coast is called Left for a reason, the academic world, combined with the affluence and show business has had an influence by producing some truly whacked out people. California became the focus of the academia based druggee, free love, hippie, rebellious movement of the 60's that has persisted to this day, and I do not believe the results are pretty. I am in no way saying all Californians are whacked out, of course not, but I do think the state has more than its share of problems, and one of the effects of this is the liberal voting block that has literally almost bankrupted the state, just one example, and it shows liberalism clearly does not translate into sound government.

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

You guys are in great form tonight. When it settles down here, I would like to ask the gentleman from OK a question or two about something else, totally unrelated. Let me know when yall are worn out. -Real(from still the largest producer of moonshine in the U.S.)JohnBoy in Virginia

Ask away. By the way, "gentleman" is the nicest thing I've been called here lately, assuming you were referring to me? Smile

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@okie,

In regard to another issue relating to Obama, how about the following. Incidentally, I wonder where Advocate is, I seem to recall him as an Obama supporter that told me I did not know what I was talking about when I predicted Obama would throw Israel under the bus, and it seemed to me to be a no-brainer of a prediction, an obvious and expected result of an Obama presidency, but some people just can't see the obvious, and I guess even Koch could not see the handwriting on the wall.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/01/koch-outraged-obamas-treatment-israel-housing-construction/-world/?test=latestnews

"I have been a supporter of President Obama and went to Florida for him, urged Jews all over the country to vote for him saying that he would be just as good as John McCain on the security of Israel. I don't think it's true anymore," Koch told Fox News' Neil Cavuto.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu got a chilly reception at the White House last week after Israel announced plans to build 1,600 new apartments for Jews in East Jerusalem during a visit from Vice President Biden. The announcement drew sharp condemnations from Washington and calls to cancel the construction plans " requests that Netanyahu says he will not heed.

Koch said he believes Obama "orchestrated" what happened in Israel.

"What they did is they wanted to make Israel into a pariah," he said. "It's outrageous in my judgment. "

Koch said he's shocked that Congress, which largely supports Israel hasn't "stood up and said to the president, 'you're wrong on this, Mr. President.'"

No details from the reportedly tense Obama-Netanyahu meeting have been made public. The administration's precise demands on Israel and what Israel has offered in return have also remained under wraps.

But that didn't stop Koch from offering his harsh assessment of the Obama administration.

"I believe that the Obama administration is willing to throw Israel under the bus in order to please Muslim nations," Koch said. "We'll know when I'm right or wrong."

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Bedtime for me. My recollection, Okie, is that you have some experience in the oil and gas industry. Am I correct?
I wanted to ask about President Obama's opening of the coastal areas of certain states to offshore drilling. My state of Virginia would be one.
While I am sleeping, yall can bicker about whether this was a pay-off to certain members of Congress to get their votes on health care or whether this is a callous attempt to box in or out the Republicans on energy issues.
Perhaps tomorrow we could talk about what, if anything, this means. It is not a subject I know much about, but I have been reading about it enough to become semi-dangerous.
Good night.

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

Bedtime for me. My recollection, Okie, is that you have some experience in the oil and gas industry. Am I correct?
I wanted to ask about President Obama's opening of the coastal areas of certain states to offshore drilling. My state of Virginia would be one.
While I am sleeping, yall can bicker about whether this was a pay-off to certain members of Congress to get their votes on health care or whether this is a callous attempt to box in or out the Republicans on energy issues.
Perhaps tomorrow we could talk about what, if anything, this means. It is not a subject I know much about, but I have been reading about it enough to become semi-dangerous.
Good night.

Yes, I worked for an oil company for 16 years, although mostly in the minerals business instead of oil. I did at least learn alot from those that I worked around that had been in the oil patch. Yes, I have seen a little in the news about Obama opening up some drilling, but not that much in regard to the details, so have no idea if it is a political payoff for support of his other stuff or not, but that would not surprise me in the least, because that would be consistent with the way Obama operates. It also may be a case of Obama actually having enough sense in his private moments, or in moments with other members of his administration that actually do recognize snippets of reality from time to time, that limiting drilling does nothing for our energy security. So it is possible that Obama might realize it is wise to give into some drilling, while pretending to also please all the tree huggers that have supported him.

So I have read the same stuff you have, but cannot add much to it. Does it change what is in the mindset of Obama and what he will tend to do more of in the future, I doubt it very much, I think he will probably gravitate back to his natural tendency of opposing alot more drilling, and opposing aggressive development of existing hydrocarbon reserves. I think this is probably a case of just throwing the dogs a bone to keep them satisfied.

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@okie,

Okie - Get it in your head. The Israeli government is in the wrong here. They don't deserve our support on this matter. They really fucked up, and they need to know that the USA isn't going to let them get away with everything they do.

Both sides had one request for things to thaw continue talks about a two-state solution.

Israel - Don't fire anymore rockets.
Palestine - Don't build anymore settlements.

How long has it been since the last rocket attack? Months? How long since the last settlement? Yesterday! Clearly, Israel is not doing their part. If Israel is under the bus, it's because they jumped in front of it--knowingly.

Two-state
K
O

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@Diest TKO,

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The Israeli government is in the wrong here

more to the point Netanyahu is a damn fool, which is why he is getting hammered at home. All of the European leaders for months have been talking about how Obama is a cool cucumber who neither has much interest in Europe nor much interest is pursuing strong leader to leader relationships. The Israeli PM's are used to having a special relationship with our presidents, it has almost always happened, but before he got off the plane in America Netanyahu should have known that Obama is different.

Netanyahu got embarrassed because he made assumptions that turned out not to be true, that he should have known better to make. He did not do his homework.

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@okie,

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Yes, I have seen a little in the news about Obama opening up some drilling, but not that much in regard to the details, so have no idea if it is a political payoff for support of his other stuff or not,

Translation -
I don't know the details so rather than do any research, I will just use my lack of knowledge to attack the President.

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@ican711nm,

A great post, Ican. Notice the clueless Parados who obviously either has not read your post or does not undestand it. You are reporting it correctly. One of the most critical points is that the large corporations whose bottom lines are being impacted are informing all of their employees that the cost of their premiums would be going up.

Of course, that would mean that thousands of people would take umbrage at the President and would vote against Democrats.

Paradox has been tounge tied since "global warming" has been blown out of the water, Ican!

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