Obama '08?

@parados,

Parados is not aware of the details concerning the drilling, Okie. As usual, he is clueless.

Note the following:

New York Times:( NOT HANNITY BUT THE NEW YORK TIMES--THE LEFTIST PAPER)

"Risk is Clear in Drilling; Payoff Isn't"

QUOTE

"Mr. Obama angered New Jersey's two Democratic Senators, Frank Lautenberg and Robert Menendez, who have been generally supportive of Mr. Obama's push for climate legislation.

Mr. Menendez issued a strong statement Wednesday, saying: "I have let the administation know that if they do not protect New Jersey from the effects of coastal drilling in the climate change bill then my vote is in question"...

If the political capital to be gained from the proposal seemed uncertain, so did the potential for vast oil supplies to reduce dependence on foreign imports. Experts said it was impossible to know how much oil and gas the new tracts contain...Even at the high end of government estimates, the new production, if and when it occurs, will displace only a small fraction of the oil and gas the country now imports"

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Okie- It is clear that Parados is ignorant about those facts. It is also quite obvious that Obama is trying the old "triangulation" formula which Clinton used. He is attempting to bribe both sides. The only problem with that tactic is that both sides know that if they look at Obama's pre-election promises, they will realize that he is a liar. If he was a liar then, how can he be trusted?

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Cyclops apparently feels that he is the superior intellect among all of us peasants.

He isn't and anyone who has lived for a while, worked in business or government and, incidentally, piled up some degrees, can spot him as a phony.

First of all, he obviously thinks that his unadorned word is the final word. He is notorious in posting without giving any evidence or documentation for his decrees.

Secondly, he overgeneralizes to an absurd degree. His comment about the president who did not do well in business is really immaterial because the person he was comparing him with was never in business, never met a payroll, skipped around from college to college, probably got into Law School because of an affirmative action push and, is far far more arrogant and overbearing than any president in recent memory.

Thirdly, Cyclops has never told us whether he was a top scholar at Berkeley.
There are some people on these threads who have more degrees than he does, have lived and worked in more areas that he has, who have met payrolls, who have IQ scores twenty points higher than he.

And he has the gall to insult anyone who has not been in a "elite" school like he has. What he will not admit is that Berkeley is the laughing stock in educational circles for its 100% leftism.

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Ican- I hope that you don't mind if I replicate a very important section of your post?
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Pitching his failed stimulus plan back in February of last year, President Obama told a factory in East Peoria, Illinois, “So what’s happening at this company tells us a larger story about what’s happening with our nation’s economy, because, in many ways, you can measure America’s bottom line by looking at Caterpillar’s bottom line.” well, Caterpillar was quick to inform the markets exactly what Obamacare meant for its bottom line. Caterpillar announced [5] that Obamacare would raise its insurance costs by at least 20 percent " or more than $100 million " just in the first year of the health-care overhaul program. And Caterpillar was not alone. Other Fortune 500 firms quickly followed suit announcing Obamacare hits to their bottom line [6] including: Deere & Co., $150 million; AK Steel, $31 million; 3M, $90 million; Valero Energy, $20 million; and AT&T, $1 billion. The consulting firm Towers Watson tells the Wall Street Journal [6] that the total hit this year will reach nearly $14 billion. America’s employers simply can’t sustain losses like these, so many of these companies, including Verizon [7], have informed their employees to expect significant changes to their current health care benefits.
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That is why Obama cannot be trusted. He first says that "you can measure America's bottom line by looking at Caterpillar's bottom line"

and then he torpedoes Caterpillar by adding 100 million to their health care costs.

Which is it, Mr. President??????

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Cyclops wrote:

You guys are always good for a laugh, Okie. You really have no idea what life is like outside of your rural existence, do you?

How condescending! How arrogant! How puerile! How so typical of the left wingers who have ruined almost every country they have worked in.

I am sure that Cyclops does not know that Communism is dead and Socialism is dying--that is, in every country but the USA--But the move towards Socialism in the USA won't lost long. Not after the Democrats are smashed in November.

Only 214 more days until the election in November! Then Obama will be a king without a kingdom! He will be reduced to a pitiful figure like Clinton after 1994.

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Parados wrote:

LOL.. a meaningless argument. People tend to move taxes around from year to year to advantage themselves. Of course the amount of tax paid increases as a % of GDP the year before a tax goes into effect and then falls the year it does. People have moved income from one year to the other where possible.

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You really don't know much about economics, do you , Parados.

It is clear that when people who are in the upper brackets encounter higher taxes, they shift a great many of their assets to non-taxable investments.

The left wing morons do not realize that the way to fill the Treasury of the United States is to cut the tax rates, not raise them.

Since it is clear that you do not read books or reports on economics very much, you really should read the material below:

According to President Kennedy,

Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits. Surely the lesson of the last decade is that budget deficits are not caused by wild-eyed spenders but by slow economic growth and periodic recessions and any new recession would break all deficit records. In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now.19

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@parados,

Thats a cheap shot, even from you.

You neglected to copy Okies next line...

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So I have read the same stuff you have, but cannot add much to it

And since there have not been many details released yet about the presidents plan for offshore drilling, its hard to have all the knowledge about it.

I understand that you dont like okie, but to take such a cheap shot is beneath you, but not by much.

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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

Israel - Don't fire anymore rockets.
Palestine - Don't build anymore settlements.
Two-state
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No wonder you are 180 degrees out of phase in your assessment of blame. You have Israel firing rockets and Palestine building settlements. You might need to take a look at the historical record of the situation over there, the Palestinians have historically been involved with destruction and non-production, while the Israelis have been involved with being productive. That is what I have observed since I first began to know about what was going on there in the 60's. Fault has pretty much always been at the feet of those that are bent on destroying the tiny country, Israel, and driving them into the sea, while they are quietly making sure they can simply survive as a country.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

Thats a cheap shot, even from you.

You neglected to copy Okies next line...

Quote:
So I have read the same stuff you have, but cannot add much to it

And since there have not been many details released yet about the presidents plan for offshore drilling, its hard to have all the knowledge about it.

I understand that you dont like okie, but to take such a cheap shot is beneath you, but not by much.

A cheap shot?
Read what okie said...
He can't add much to it but he sure was able to add this...

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have no idea if it is a political payoff for support of his other stuff or not,

Do you think it would be OK if I said "I have no idea if okie is stupid or not but I have read the same stuff you have."?

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There is no doubt that Israel made a PR mistake in announcing the construction of the Jerusalem apartments during Biden's visit. Then, Obama went overboard in his unfair criticisms of Israel. I am fairly convinced that this little row will soon blow over.

I have a feeling that the White House concluded that something radical must be done now to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. Failure to do so could result in a financial debacle that would be difficult to reverse.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Israel - Don't fire anymore rockets.
Palestine - Don't build anymore settlements.
Two-state
K
O

No wonder you are 180 degrees out of phase in your assessment of blame. You have Israel firing rockets and Palestine building settlements. You might need to take a look at the historical record of the situation over there, the Palestinians have historically been involved with destruction and non-production, while the Israelis have been involved with being productive. That is what I have observed since I first began to know about what was going on there in the 60's. Fault has pretty much always been at the feet of those that are bent on destroying the tiny country, Israel, and driving them into the sea, while they are quietly making sure they can simply survive as a country.

Read closer. I said each side had one request of the other. Israel's request (to Palestine): don't fire rockets. Palestine's request (to Israel): Don't build more settlements. You misread. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it wasn't intentional.

Palastine has had problems, and thank goodness Arafat is gone, but Israel does not get carte blanche because of mistakes of the past. Israel is making real mistakes right now when there could be a possibility of resolving a two-state solution.

T
K
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@Diest TKO,

Why give him the benefit of the doubt. He does nothing but twist others posts because of who he is.

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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

Read closer. I said each side had one request of the other. Israel's request (to Palestine): don't fire rockets. Palestine's request (to Israel): Don't build more settlements. You misread. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it wasn't intentional.

Palastine has had problems, and thank goodness Arafat is gone, but Israel does not get carte blanche because of mistakes of the past. Israel is making real mistakes right now when there could be a possibility of resolving a two-state solution.

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K
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I had no idea you stated what you did as requests, I interpreted them as your requests of them, so yes, it was not intentional at all, but thanks for the clarification.

Arafat may be gone, but the mindset is not, the ultimate goal is to drive Israel into the sea and eliminate the state of Israel, and that is the basic foundational problem. If I am not mistaken, I think Israel has opened the door to the possibility of a two state solution, but it requires good faith work from the opposing side, which has not happened to my knowledge.

Unfortunately, the age old principle comes into play in regard to Israel and their enemies, peace only comes through defeat of the enemy, and the enemy refuses to surrender or give up when they are soundly defeated, they instead continue to fight through their cowardly surrogates, which are terrorists or women and children strapped with bombs, plus shooting rockets pell mell. The Palestinians have never kept their promises that I can recall. It is the Palestinians and their allies which are almost totally to blame.

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@okie,

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I had no idea you stated what you did as requests, I interpreted them as your requests of them, so yes, it was not intentional at all, but thanks for the clarification.

What did you learn in school okie? It certainly wasn't reading if that is what you got from DTKO's post.

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@parados,

What a nitpicker you are, Parados. In case you missed it, the statements have now been clarified and discussed as to their ramifications.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Read closer. I said each side had one request of the other. Israel's request (to Palestine): don't fire rockets. Palestine's request (to Israel): Don't build more settlements. You misread. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it wasn't intentional.

Palastine has had problems, and thank goodness Arafat is gone, but Israel does not get carte blanche because of mistakes of the past. Israel is making real mistakes right now when there could be a possibility of resolving a two-state solution.

T
K
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I had no idea you stated what you did as requests, I interpreted them as your requests of them, so yes, it was not intentional at all, but thanks for the clarification.

Arafat may be gone, but the mindset is not, the ultimate goal is to drive Israel into the sea and eliminate the state of Israel, and that is the basic foundational problem. If I am not mistaken, I think Israel has opened the door to the possibility of a two state solution, but it requires good faith work from the opposing side, which has not happened to my knowledge.

Unfortunately, the age old principle comes into play in regard to Israel and their enemies, peace only comes through defeat of the enemy, and the enemy refuses to surrender or give up when they are soundly defeated, they instead continue to fight through their cowardly surrogates, which are terrorists or women and children strapped with bombs, plus shooting rockets pell mell. The Palestinians have never kept their promises that I can recall. It is the Palestinians and their allies which are almost totally to blame.

So if in the past, the Palestinians have failed to keep their promises, it is acceptable for Israel to break their now? How does that work? The Israeli government does it's people no good service by violating these requests. I see no reason to believe that the Israeli government wants to stop fighting. moves like these say that they have no interest in a two state solution.

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Stimulus Failure: Private Sector Unemployment Grows Again in March

(WASHINGTON, DC) " Private-sector unemployment rose again in March, and that has House Republican Conference Secretary John Carter renewing calls to repeal the Obama-Pelosi stimulus program and return all unspent funds to reduce the deficit.

“It hasn’t worked,” says Carter, “and the sooner we undo this failed stimulus plan and start repairing the damage to the federal government’s fiscal condition the better our chances of avoiding a real financial meltdown in the near future.”

The latest Labor Department report shows a large increase in government jobs from temporary census hiring, with a large drop in private-sector permanent jobs.

“Private-sector employers shed 23,000 jobs in March, surprising economists who expected job growth last month and raising doubts that Friday's government report on March unemployment will be as positive as hoped.” (Washington Post, 4/1/10)

Overall unemployment remained level due to the temporary census jobs, which will start disappearing within weeks:
“Many economists expect the government's temporary hiring of census workers to peak in May, and then turn negative in June, when workers are let go.” (CNBC, 3/31/10)

“The economy is not responding to the Obama Stimulus, any more than it did to the TARP plan,” says Carter, who also opposed the Bush Administration’s $700 billion bailout plan. “The way to stimulate the economy is to let the markets work, cut federal taxes for individuals and businesses, and tackle the federal deficit to restore investor confidence.”

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@ican711nm,

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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19169&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
OBAMACARE: ALL PAIN, NO GAIN

Arguably the most important issue in the health care reform debate on Capitol Hill relates to the budget: How much will this reform cost? Will it add to the deficit? Or reduce it? Americans were also told "If you like the plan you are in, you can keep it." But that is a promise politicians cannot keep, and poll after poll has shown the public is not buying the official estimates -- nor should they, says John C. Goodman, President, CEO and the Kellye Wright Fellow of the National Center for Policy Analysis.

Historically, medical prices have risen at three times the rate of inflation. Obamacare will require just about every nonelderly person in America to buy health insurance. The cost of this coverage is going to rise at twice the rate of growth of families' incomes, says Goodman.

At the same time, the legislation will prevent people from all of the natural adjustments you would expect in the face of rising premiums. For example:

They will not be allowed to scale back insurance or choose more limited coverage.

They won't be allowed to shift to catastrophic-only plans or rely more on cost-saving self-insurance through Health Savings Accounts.

We won't have to wait years to begin feeling the pain of Obamacare, says Goodman:

The 10 percent tax on tanning salons starts this year.
Beginning in 2011 our drug bills will rise because of a $2.5 billion tax on name-brand drugs and removal of the tax exemption for over-the-counter drugs purchased using a Flexible Spending Account.
The penalty for nonmedical Health Savings Account (HSA) distributions will also double.
Seniors will begin losing benefits as a result of cuts in the Medicare program, says Goodman:

The average Medicare Advantage Plan enrollee will lose nearly $200 in benefits in 2011--rising by a dozen times that amount ($2,437) by 2019.
Seniors in traditional Medicare plans will lose only $22 in 2011, but this will rise to $1,137 by 2019.

Policymakers need to accept the fact that we are on an unsustainable spending path. Creating these new implicit entitlements for non-seniors and pretending they are paid for by unserious budget gimmicks will only make our problems worse, says Goodman.

Source: John Goodman, "Obamacare: All Pain, No Gain," Heartland Institute, April 1, 2010.

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Digging through the U-3 and U-6 numbers that came out today:
>The private sector added 123K jobs in March (Ican is wrong).
>Sure enough, the hiring of lots of temps to work the census kept the unemployment rate unchanged at 9.7%. U-6 is at 16.9%.
> The workforce is growing at 200K a month. We need to create that many new jobs each month just to run in place. Come May-June there will be a flood of high school and college grads coming into the work force. That could get messy.
For what it is worth, and it may not be much, some headlines from the financial press:
> U.S. manufacturing growth speeds up.
> U.K. manufacturing grows strongly.
> Japan economic confidence grows.
I appreciate that there are folks here who fervently believe/hope that the Obama administration fails in its efforts to recover from the recession. I am curious about their take on the U.S. unemployment rate vs the Euro-zone.
What are they doing right vs what is being done wrong here?

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Here we have another dem congressman that admits he doesnt care about the constitution or the bill of rights.

http://www.youtube.com/v/k2iiirr5KI8&hl=en_US&fs=1&

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@mysteryman,

If that guy is an example of the average congressman representing us, no wonder this country is in very serious trouble, mm. Where do these dolts come from? Is he a prime example of our failed educational system or what?

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