Obama '08?

@parados,

parados wrote:

Obama is a Marxist because he knew some Marxists in his past.

Horowitz WAS a Marxist in his past
Horowitz KNEW Marxists in his past
Ergo - Horowitz is a Marxist.

Ican is quoting a Marxist... ergo.. Ican is a Marxist.

Saul Alinski was not a communist or socialist even though he knew communists and socialists,
AND because he declared himself not a communist and not a socialist,
AND because he acted by teaching disassociation with communists and socialists.

Obama is an Alinsky desciple because he was taught by admitted Alinsky disciples,
AND because he has not yet declared himself not an Alinsky disciple,
AND because he acted and acts in conformity with Alinsky's principles.

Horowitz WAS a communist, he said, because his parents were communists,
AND he KNEW communists in the past,
AND he declared himself no longer a communist,
AND has acted and acts in opposition to communists, socialists, marxists, fascists, and naziists,
AND has declared and continues to declare himself a conservative,
AND has acted and acts in conformity and in support of conservatives and conservatism.
Ergo - Horowitz is a conservative.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

they are predicting that unemployment will be at about 6% in 2012.

"They," including Obama, previously forecast unemployment in 2009 would be no greater than 8%. Subsequently, "they," predicted unemployment in 2009 would not exceed 9.7%.

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@ican711nm,

Oh..

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Ergo - Horowitz is a conservative.

conservatives are Marxists..

NOW I GET IT!!

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@ican711nm,

And which one is the Marxist?

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AND because he declared himself not a communist and not a socialist,

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AND he declared himself no longer a communist,

Please provide us with an "act" that Horowitz has done in opposition to Marxists.

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@ican711nm,

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Obama is an Alinsky desciple because he was taught by admitted Alinsky disciples,

Who was that, exactly?

Cycloptichorn

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Oh..
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Ergo - Horowitz is a conservative.

conservatives are Marxists..

NOW I GET IT!!

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@Cycloptichorn,

In BARACK OBAMA'S RULES FOR REVOLUTION, THE ALINSKY MODEL, David Horowitz wrote:

Three of Obama's mentors* in Chicago were trained by Saul Alinsky. Obama was hired in 1986 by the Alinsky team to organize residents on the South Side. The proposed solution to every problem on the South Side was distribution of government funds.

According to Alinsky:

- Radicals should be "political relativists."They should take an agnostic view of means and ends;

- The radical is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer;

- The radical is building his own kingdom, a kingdom of heaven on earth;

- We should not forget to acknowledge the very first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively
that he at least won his own kingdom"Lucifer;

* Gregory Galluzo is one of these three. For the other two see: Ryan Lizza, "The Agitator," The New Republic, 3/9/07

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@ican711nm,

Why can't you just tell me who those others are?

My guess is because you don't know, and are just repeating things you've read elsewhere.

I'm also sorry to inform you that your account is incorrect. From Wikipedia:

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Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles in 1979 to attend Occidental College.[24] After two years he transferred in 1981 to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations[25] and graduated with a B.A. in 1983. He worked for a year at the Business International Corporation,[26][27] then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.[28][29]
Chicago community organizer and Harvard Law School

After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago, where he was hired as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side. He worked there as a community organizer from June 1985 to May 1988.

What did he do there?

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He helped set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.

This clearly isn't 'throwing government money at everything.'

Horowitz is an ass and an idiot, and if you swallow what he spews out without bothering to do basic research yourself, then you are as well.

Where is your evidence that those who hired him in Chicago were 'trained by Saul Alinsky?' Furthermore, what does it matter if they were?

You guys are too much sometimes. I don't even know how to properly respond to such baseless innuendos and lies as the bullshit you and Okie spout every single day.

Cycloptichorn

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i heard he was educated in a madrasah by radical islamic clerics, and upon graduation ran guns for al queda

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn" wrote:

I'm also sorry to inform you that your account is incorrect. From Wikipedia ...

Who is the author, or who are the authors of the Wikipedia article from which you claimed to have obtained those excerpts you posted?

Better yet, please provide the link to your alleged Wikipedia article.

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@ican711nm,

It's the Wikipedia article labeled 'Barack Obama.' Go find it yourself. I would be worried for ya if you couldn't.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

i'm sure "ican cut & paste" can find it

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http://waltjr.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/barack-obama%E2%80%99s-rules-for-revolution-the-alinsky-model/
David Horowitz was one of the founders of the New Left in the 1960s and an editor of its largest magazine,Ramparts. He is the author, with Peter Collier, of three best selling dynastic biographies: The Rockefellers: An American Dynasty (1976); The Kennedys: An American Dream (1984); and The Fords: An American Epic (1987). Looking back in anger at their days in the New Left, he and Collier wrote Destructive Generation (1989), a chronicle of their second thoughts about the 60s that has been compared to Whittaker Chambers’ Witness and other classic works documenting a break from totalitarianism. Horowitz examined this subject more closely in Radical Son (1996), a memoir tracing his odyssey from “red-diaper baby” to conservative activist that George Gilder described as “the first great autobiography of his generation.”

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@ican711nm,

Part of the reason I stay here and keep trying to pound sense into the heads of leftists and Marxists here, is because Horowitz is living proof that an extreme leftist is capable of seeing the light and renouncing his or her previously held leftist idealogical imaginations.

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@okie,

Actually, Horowitz is living proof that ican pals around with KNOWN Marxists.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Part of the reason I stay here and keep trying to pound sense into the heads of leftists and Marxists here, is because Horowitz is living proof that an extreme leftist is capable of seeing the light and renouncing his or her previously held leftist idealogical imaginations.

YES! That is part of my reason as well.

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@parados,

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Looking back in anger at their days in the New Left, Horowitz and Collier wrote Destructive Generation (1989), a chronicle of their second thoughts about the 60s that has been compared to Whittaker Chambers’ Witness and other classic works documenting a break from totalitarianism. Horowitz examined this subject more closely in Radical Son (1996), a memoir tracing his odyssey from “red-diaper baby” to conservative activist that George Gilder described as “the first great autobiography of his generation.”

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Barach obama has not denounced his having been a disciple of Saul Alinsky, and he has not denounced anything Saul Alinsky has advocated. For example, Saul Alinsky advocated:

The radical is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer;

The radical is building his own kingdom, a kingdom of heaven on earth;

The revolutionary’s purpose is to undermine the system by taking from the HAVES and giving it to the HAVENOTS and then see what happens;

We should not forget to acknowledge the very first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom"Lucifer;

We are not virtuous by not wanting power. We are really cowards for not wanting power, because power is good and powerlessness is evil;

The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals.

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@ican711nm,

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Barach obama has not denounced his having been a disciple of Saul Alinsky,

You have not denounced your pedophile actions ican.

(We obviously don't have to show you ever had any tendencies that way based on the way you are making arguments.)

So.. Let's make this simple ican. How and when was Obama a "disciple" of Alinsky. Simply knowing him is NOT evidence of anything unless of course we can use the same standard to judge your Marxist tendencies.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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Barack Obama has not denounced his having been a disciple of Saul Alinsky
How and when was Obama a "disciple" of Alinsky. Simply knowing him is NOT evidence of anything...

I don't believe Obama ever met Alinsky - who died in, I think, 1972.

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