Obama '08?

@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

How do you know Horowitz rejected them? After all, Communists cannot be trusted not to lie about their affiliations, according to you.

I judge people by how well their actions conform to what they say! Obama's actions after he was elected conform to what he said before he was elected. What he says after his election is so contradictory with what he said before he was elected as to be ludicrous. In fact what Obama has said since he was elected is so riddled with ontradictions as to make me feel almost as sorry for him as I do for the damage his actions are doing to America.

Horowitz's actions conform with what he says, and he says and acts anticommunist and antisocialist.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

How do you know Horowitz rejected them? After all, Communists cannot be trusted not to lie about their affiliations, according to you.

Cycloptichorn

Illustration of leftist practices, cyclops, accuse the opposition of what your side does on a regular basis. Read Saul Alinsky, or perhaps you already have and are simply following the recommended procedures?

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

How do you know Horowitz rejected them? After all, Communists cannot be trusted not to lie about their affiliations, according to you.

Cycloptichorn

Illustration of leftist practices, cyclops, accuse the opposition of what your side does on a regular basis. Read Saul Alinsky, or perhaps you already have and are simply following the recommended procedures?

What? This makes no sense at all. I don't think you read what I wrote correctly.

Cycloptichorn

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/24/missile-defense-agency-obama-campaign-logos-cause-internet-stir/

"Is this Logo-gate?

The Internet is abuzz with comparisons of the "strikingly similar" logos of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency and the ubiquitous Obama 2008 campaign."

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/022410_symbols_20100224_174708.jpg

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@okie,

You must just be pulling our leg at this point...

I say that because it's hard to believe anyone could be so ******* stupid as to believe this stuff.

Cycloptichorn

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Looks totally logical to me, Okie. Both feature the colors blue, red and white. Coincidence? Both make a graphic nod towards a flag. That has never happened before.
I think that you are on to something. Birthers and those who believe that 911 was a government plot need to jump right on this.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Did I say I believed it? I merely found it interesting, as do alot of other people.
Actually, there are some striking similarities. If you trust Obama, then this stuff means nothing, but you guys already know that alot of us, including me, do not trust the man any further than I could throw him, which is not far at all. Anyone that would hang around Marxists and terrorists as friends and mentors, and appoint the same in his administration is not to be trusted, not at all.

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@okie,

Okie, you trust Obama more than I do!
I do not trust Obama as far as I can throw the Empire State Building.

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okie and ican-- the blind leading the blind.

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@MontereyJack,

Monterey, I would respectfully ask you to wake up and smell the coffee. Unless you are another Marxist, I would suggest you start reading up on Obama's past and begin to realize what the man is about. He is no centrist as the media built his image to be. Now if you are a Marxist, then go with it, but be aware that some of us are not going to fall for it. Some of us still value freedom, liberty, and the constitution, and we are not going to swallow the garbage being shoved our way by the current administration. We are not going to shut up about it either as long as there is still free speech in this country.

I see not much evidence Obama has changed from this attitude when he was in college. I think he is still lost and alienated, but he wants the rest of us to join him. No thanks!! And I would suggest you rethink your current following of his as well, Monterey. Here is what Obama apparently wrote about what he did in college:

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout,I chose my friends carefully.The more politically active black students.The foreign students.The Chicanos.The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets.At night,in the dorms,we discussed neocolonialism,Franz Fanon,Eurocentrism,and patriarchy.When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake,we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints.We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure.We were alienated."

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and, okie, I would respectfully ask YOU to wake up and smell the coffee. I have known far more liberals, progressives, Alinsky-trained community organizers, and Marxists (and the Marxists generally don't overlap with the other groups, by the way), than you have, and argued at great length with the Marxists, and found them as Alinsky did rigid ideologues and out of touch with the real world--much like conservatives, but on the other end of the spectrum. It's really interesting, by the way, to read Alinsky and then read the teabaggers. There is a whole hell of a lot of agreement between them in terms of empowerment of people who have felt themselves powerless, and on tactics as well. You look at what Obama has done thru rigid ideological blinders, and, I've gotta say this, you're really beginning to sound like a conspiracy theorist. He isn't doing any of what you claim he's doing. And I'd suggest you get outside your little cocoon and listen to the REAL silent majority, which doesn't agree at all with the woman you talked to today (which is why, incidentally, Obama has majority support of the country, in spite of the right's calumnyand lies). And, yes, Obama is a centrist. Economic stimuli, have been mainstream economics for fifty years. And they have worked. Obamanomics helped to aver the great meltdown that looked to be in the cards when he came in. Mainstream. All the major democratic developed countries did it. It worked.

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And I would say, too, that hanging with the people he did in college was a good thing, for him and for the country. you, okie, judging from all the posts you've made, have very little contact with the REAL America, the breadth of its culture and its people. You seem to live an insular life, dealing only with people who think exactly like you. The country doesn't think like you. Obama is far more in touch with the many different kinds of us than you are, and, in college and since, he seems to have come in contact with a far wider spectrum of Americans than you have. Which is vastly to the good.

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@ican711nm,

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I judge people by how well their actions conform to what they say! Obama's actions after he was elected conform to what he said before he was elected. What he says after his election is so contradictory with what he said before he was elected as to be ludicrous.

And yet when questioned about Obama's actions, you can only come up with what you think he wants to do.

You don't know your ass from the hole you keep your head in.

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@MontereyJack,

To compare tea party people with Alinskyites, good grief, you have really shown yourself for what you are, totally clueless.

Since I hang out with people that are law abiding, have jobs, support their families, and pay taxes, that makes me out of the mainstream because I don't hang out with druggies, Marxists, and other lost souls. Sorry, I have no interest in experiencing being lost just to identify with it like Obama was and is a lost soul.

I would make a suggestion to Obama as I would you. I would suggest Obama and other folks that have known nothing but government in their entire lives to go out and get a responsible job or run a business for a few years, and then he might begin to become qualified to run for some kind of office, perhaps county clerk or something like that.

We need responsible people running this country, not fringe groups and aimless fringe types that are still searching for what will fix what he perceives to be wrong with the world, like Obama.

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@okie,

Oh, really? How well did the vaunted 'CEO' president perform? With a cabinet full of people with private-sector experience?

Terribly, and the American people rewarded him with the lowest approval ratings in 50 years. Private-sector experience does not predict public-sector success.

The thing about the missile-defense logo is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen, and whether you trust Obama or not, you're an idiot if you think it has any significance. Seriously.

Cycloptichorn

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Are you ,Cycloptichorn, like Obama a disciple of Alinsky, or are you merely a disciple of Obama who is a disciple of Alinsky?

In BARACK OBAMA'S RULES FOR REVOLUTION, THE ALINSKY MODEL, David Horowitz wrote:

Three of Obama's mentors in Chicago were trained by Saul Alinsky. Obama was hired in 1986 by the Alinsky team to organize residents on the South Side. The proposed solution to every problem on the South Side was distribution of government funds.

According to Alinsky:
The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals;

"The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution."The stated cause is never the real cause, but only an occasion to advance the real cause which is accumulation of power to make the revolution;

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@ican711nm,

Jobless claims are alleged to be rising again!

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

Are you ,Cycloptichorn, like Obama a disciple of Alinsky, or are you merely a disciple of Obama who is a disciple of Alinsky?

In BARACK OBAMA'S RULES FOR REVOLUTION, THE ALINSKY MODEL, David Horowitz wrote:
Three of Obama's mentors in Chicago were trained by Saul Alinsky. Obama was hired in 1986 by the Alinsky team to organize residents on the South Side. The proposed solution to every problem on the South Side was distribution of government funds.

According to Alinsky:
The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals;

"The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution."The stated cause is never the real cause, but only an occasion to advance the real cause which is accumulation of power to make the revolution;

I am a disciple of neither of these people, and in fact, of nobody. If I follow anyone, it is the teachings of Siddharta Gautama.

Cycloptichorn

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@ican711nm,

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Jobless claims are alleged to be rising again!

LOL..
But they are predicting that unemployment will be at about 6% in 2012.

Can you say "four more years"?

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@ican711nm,

You sure are enamored of known Marxists ican. Your willingness to quote them seems like you must be one too.

Let's see how this works..

Obama is a Marxist because he knew some Marxists in his past.

Horowitz WAS a Marxist in his past
Horowitz KNEW Marxists in his past
Ergo - Horowitz is a Marxist.

Ican is quoting a Marxist... ergo.. Ican is a Marxist.

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