ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2010 04:46 pm
Quote:
To reduce the growth of costs, individuals must take greater responsibility for their health care, and health insurers and health care providers must face the competitive forces of the market. Three policy changes will go a long way to achieving these objectives, say Cogan, Hubbard and Kessler:

Eliminate the tax code's bias that favors health insurance over out-of-pocket spending.
Remove state-government barriers to purchasing and providing health services.
Reform medical malpractice laws.
According to Cogan, Hubbard and Kessler, these three changes will reduce health care costs by over $100 billion per year and permanently reduce the number of uninsured by up to 13 million.

Source: John F. Cogan, Glenn Hubbard and Daniel Kessler, "A Better Way to Reform Health Care," Wall Street Journal, February 25, 2010.


Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2010 04:52 pm
@ican711nm,
Oh, right. Tax breaks for the rich, and Tort reform. That'll fix everything!

Rolling Eyes

What's funny is that you guys beat the exact same drum, every time, for every problem.

Cycloptichorn
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Advocate
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2010 05:24 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

parados wrote:

Quote:
Barack Obama has not denounced his having been a disciple of Saul Alinsky
How and when was Obama a "disciple" of Alinsky. Simply knowing him is NOT evidence of anything...

I don't believe Obama ever met Alinsky - who died in, I think, 1972.


Obama would have been about five when Alinsky died. Notwithstanding that, he was a deciple and close associate of Alinsky.

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2010 05:43 pm
@ican711nm,
Three of Obama's mentors in Chicago were trained by Saul Alinsky. Saul Alinsky died in 1972. Obama was hired in 1986 by the Alinsky team to organize residents on the South Side. The proposed solution to every problem on the South Side was distribution of government funds.

For several years, Obama taught workshops on the Alinsky method.

The following is only a small sample of the information about Barach Obama available at the following web site.
Quote:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1511
Profile of Barack Obama, from Birth through Election Day 2008:

Democrat Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was elected President of the United States on November 4, 2008. Prior to that, he had served four years as a U.S. senator from Illinois (2005-2008) and eight years as an Illinois state senator (1996-2004).

Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961, to a white mother from Kansas (Anna Dunham) and a black Muslim father from Kenya (Barack Hussein Obama, Sr.). The couple had met when they were students at the University of Hawaii. When they married, Anna was unaware that her new husband was still legally married to a woman in Kenya, whom he had wed in 1954, and with whom he had fathered four children.
...
One of Obama's early mentors in the Alinsky method, Mike Kruglik, would later say the following about Obama:

"He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better."

For several years, Obama himself taught workshops on the Alinsky method.
...
Running for President:

On January 16, 2007, Obama announced the creation of a presidential exploratory committee. Within hours after the announcement, Soros sent the senator a contribution of $2,100, the maximum amount allowable under campaign finance laws. Later that week, the New York Daily News reported that Soros would back Obama over Senator Hillary Clinton, whom he had supported in the past.
...
We all know what political and economic justice means, because Barack Obama has already made it crystal clear a second earlier: It means redistribution of wealth. Not the creation of wealth and certainly not the creation of opportunity, but simply taking money from the successful and hard-working and distributing it to those whom the government decides 'deserve' it.
...
In September 2008 it was learned that Obama, during his first three years in the Senate (2005-2008), had received more political contribution money ($126,349) from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than had any other legislator except Connecticut Senator Christopher Dodd, who had been in Congress continuously for 33 years.
...
Foreign Contributions to Presidential Campaign:

Foreign campaign contributions are illegal. In October 2008, Frank Gaffney of The Washington Times reported the following:

"A Federal Election Commission (FEC) employee has reportedly been warning for months about evidence that the Obama campaign has received as much as $200 million, almost half of his total donations, in amounts less than $200. That is below the threshold for donor information [which] Mr. Obama has chose[n] to report to the FEC -- unlike the Clinton and McCain campaigns, which have reported all donor information.

"Of the $200 million, between $30 million and $100 million are from the Mideast, Africa and other places Islamists are active. It is unclear whether -- as seems likely -- these funds come not only from Wahhabis, Muslim Brotherhood types, and jihadists of other stripes, but from non-U.S. citizens. Such contributions would be not only worrying but illegal."
...
In his 2006 book The Audacity of Hope, Obama expresses his belief that the U.S. Constitution is a living document (subject to reinterpretation and change), and states that, as President, he would not appoint a strict constructionist (a Justice who seeks to apply the text as it is written and without further inference) to the Supreme Court:
...

mysteryman
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2010 07:31 pm
What are the odds that the dem leadership in the House call for his resignation?

Somehow, I dont think the odds are very good.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100226/ap_on_go_co/us_ethics_rangel

Quote:
Rangel refuses to step aside as top House tax writer because of the report, which accuses him of violating rules governing gifts that lawmakers can accept
okie
 
  0  
Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2010 10:00 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

What are the odds that the dem leadership in the House call for his resignation?

Never. The Democrats always circle the wagons around their own. We've seen this numerous times, over and over, it is standard practice. Meanwhile, the slightest bump in the road or impropriety, the Republicans turn on their own and kick them out of office. Being kicked out for slight impropirieties would be nice, but it would be much nicer if the Dems had a similar conscience, but they apparently do not. For them, the end justifies the means, morality is only an unnecessary burden to have to carry around, it means not much.
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okie
 
  0  
Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2010 10:04 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

"Of the $200 million, between $30 million and $100 million are from the Mideast, Africa and other places Islamists are active. It is unclear whether -- as seems likely -- these funds come not only from Wahhabis, Muslim Brotherhood types, and jihadists of other stripes, but from non-U.S. citizens. Such contributions would be not only worrying but illegal."


This was reported during the campaign, but of course the Democats and the liberal media ignored it. The man should be impeached, and the sooner the better for the sake of the country. It won't happen however because the leftist mainstream media is in bed with the Democrats.
okie
 
  0  
Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2010 10:59 pm
I noticed this, apparently from a guy named John Drew, also at college where Obama also went to school, the opinion that Obama was a hardcore Marxist. Drew was as well, but apparently later changed his views, but this is his recollection and judgement of Obama then and now. I think it is highly consistent with what we know about Obama, so it tends to add credence to the picture of who Obama is, as it is becoming more clear. One of the biggest issues during this past campaign, was "who is Obama," and of course it varied widely from the artificial image built by the media, but the very troubling answer to the question of "who is Obama" continues to become more evident for people that are willing to honestly face the truth of his past and all the troubling aspects of it, his associations, his writings, and his current policies and character.

http://foro.univision.com/univision/board/message?board.id=politicaeneeuu&message.id=122493

"Obama a Marxist in College?: John C. Drew Sheds Light on Obama College Years
2/13/2010
The Obama college years remain a black hole in Obama's past. We really don't know much about Obama's college years other than the first few college years were a blur of drug usage and partying.

Now a college professors who knew Obama in college is shedding some light on the Obama college years. Drugs may not be the only thing Obama dabbled with in college. The professor posted a blog and is conducted interviews on Obama's intrigue with Marxism.

This story isn't new. The mainstream media including Fox News ignored the story. Dr. John C. Drew claims he was a Marxist as well when he enrolled in college himself.

Drew had an encounter with Obama to specifically discuss Marxism. He was dating a girl who knew Barack Obama. His girlfriend came home one day excited wanting Drew to meet this man, knowing their philosophical views were similar. They eventually went out to dinner, drinks, partied, and discussed each other's Marxist views. Drew discusses more about the conversation in the video interview below.

Drew describes himself as a serious Marxist, including being an enemy of the US government, while he was in college. When they met, Drew describes Obama's views were parallel with Drew's views. He was one of the brotherhood, ready for revolution. Obama wasn't just an explorer of intellectual Marxism. He embraced Marxist Leninism.

Drew says Obama was in 100% agreement with his Marxist professors in college. He looked forward to a revolution in this country to overturn the power structure. This is a fascinating interview, because we may be seeing those revolutionary efforts engaged in front of us as Obama's policies appear to be dooming the country more than helping.

Drew has a Communist radar like gay men have gaydar. He has no doubt that Obama was a hard-core Marxist in college. I don't think this comes to any surprise as we have watched Obama wiggle around the Socialist label, while his critics have gone as far as equating socialism to racism. Of course Obama is working to give the power to the state by creating more dependency on the central government. This interview will further confirm what most of us suspect. Obama's roots are placed in the Communist Manifesto and other radical documents like Rules for Radicals--which is socialist/communist propaganda."
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2010 01:13 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

"Of the $200 million, between $30 million and $100 million are from the Mideast, Africa and other places Islamists are active. It is unclear whether -- as seems likely -- these funds come not only from Wahhabis, Muslim Brotherhood types, and jihadists of other stripes, but from non-U.S. citizens. Such contributions would be not only worrying but illegal."


This was reported during the campaign, but of course the Democats and the liberal media ignored it. The man should be impeached, and the sooner the better for the sake of the country. It won't happen however because the leftist mainstream media is in bed with the Democrats.


Is there any actual evidence that this is true? At all?

Or is this another one of your smears and innuendos, bereft of facts and logic, and heavy on prejudice and suppositions and hatred.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  0  
Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2010 01:42 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Are you that ignorant of what has been reported, cyclops?
okie
 
  0  
Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2010 06:43 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Are you that ignorant of what has been reported, cyclops?

Cyclops, I would challenge you to actually educate yourself instead of ignoring the truth and voting thumbs down on my post. Seriously, have you been that ignorant of what happened with Obama's foreign contributions? I simply challenge you to spend an hour doing web searches and you will find more stuff than you can read in a few hours. Instead of simply reading and swallowing the liberal swill on a daily basis, which ignores anything not complimentary of liberals and ultra leftists, have the gumption to break out of your shell and enlarge your mind with some news about what has been happening. Here is one to start you off for you:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html

"Despite dropping the groundbreaking bombshell story of "Palestinian" brothers from the Rafah refugee camp in Gaza who donated $33,000 to Obama's campaign, no big media picked up the story"
au1929
 
  1  
Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2010 07:12 pm
@okie,
Okie You should know that most candidates are supported by their own. Why would you expect it be any different when it comes to Obama.
That aside I have a question for those who were Obama supporters are you satisfied with his performance to this point?
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Advocate
 
  1  
Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2010 07:40 pm
Okie, it is obvious that you are a disciple of Joe McCarthy. You are more into guilt by association (although you fail to even establish association) than was Joe. Have you no shame?
ican711nm
 
  0  
Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2010 08:10 pm
@Advocate,
Obama is associated with the Palestinian" brothers from the Rafah refugee camp in Gaza who donated $33,000 to Obama's campaign, because Obama 's campaign received a gift from them greater--almost 7 times greater--than Obama could legally receive from any two Americans.

Yes, I judge people according to who they choose to be associated with AND how closly they choose to be associated.

McCarthy accused people of being Communists on the basis of their close associations with communists. Seems rational and fair to me.

The same logic applies to the close associations of some Arabs with Arabs murderers of Israeli Jews. Yes, I think such Arabs are supporters of murdering Israeli Jews, because of their close associations with Arab murderers of Israeli Jews.
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okie
 
  0  
Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2010 10:51 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Okie, it is obvious that you are a disciple of Joe McCarthy. You are more into guilt by association (although you fail to even establish association) than was Joe. Have you no shame?

McCarthey died when I was eleven years old, Advocate, so he was never my friend or mentor as some of Obama's Marxist and terrorist friends and mentors were to him. I do share with McCarthy a deep distrust and dislike of communists however, I will admit to that sin if you want to consider it such. Personally, I do not consider it all that awful, especially in light of the fact that a few hundred million have died needlessly because of communists and other leftists.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Sun 28 Feb, 2010 02:02 am
@okie,
I don't thumb your posts down. Why would I?

From your link:

Quote:
no big media picked up the story"


Do you assert that this is due to conspiracy? Or do you admit the possibility that it is because there was no evidence to substantiate the story? In your mind, is this simply an impossibility?

There is no conspiracy theory about Obama that you are unwilling to believe. You believe that all the major media is in on a big coverup to keep Democrats from ever being reported on. You never let evidence or logic get into the way of your arguments. It's really sort of mentally unhinged. I think you became obsessed during the '08 election, running after whatever story you could to try and discredit the guy. Now every word out of your mouth is Socialist this, Terrorist that - it doesn't sound like the sort of argument that has a basis in sanity.

What's the funniest is that occasionally your fellow Conservatives (such as George) try and point this stuff out to you, and instead of listening, you attack them. You are the very definition of a Wingnut. And you didn't used to be this way - what the hell happened to you?

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  0  
Reply Sun 28 Feb, 2010 03:19 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

I don't thumb your posts down. Why would I?

From your link:

Quote:
no big media picked up the story"


Do you assert that this is due to conspiracy?

No, not a conspiracy, because conspiracies require planned deceit, but this is just the way liberals are, they are too dumb and too biased to see how biased they are. You guys are so duped by somebody that is built up in your mind as some kind of messiah as Obama has been made into, that you cannot bear the thought that he somehow is not what you want him to be, you cannot face reality.
Quote:
Or do you admit the possibility that it is because there was no evidence to substantiate the story? In your mind, is this simply an impossibility?

Its the other way around, you assume there is no evidence because you ignore the evidence, you do not allow the possibility that it may be true, and you don't care if it is true anyway, it no longer matters to you.

Quote:
There is no conspiracy theory about Obama that you are unwilling to believe. You believe that all the major media is in on a big coverup to keep Democrats from ever being reported on. You never let evidence or logic get into the way of your arguments. It's really sort of mentally unhinged. I think you became obsessed during the '08 election, running after whatever story you could to try and discredit the guy. Now every word out of your mouth is Socialist this, Terrorist that - it doesn't sound like the sort of argument that has a basis in sanity.

What's the funniest is that occasionally your fellow Conservatives (such as George) try and point this stuff out to you, and instead of listening, you attack them. You are the very definition of a Wingnut. And you didn't used to be this way - what the hell happened to you?

Cycloptichorn

Its the other way around, it is you guys that ignore evidence because you cannot bear the thought of having your messiah image of Obama punctured.
George has not presented one iota of evidence to the contrary to any post of mine about Obama, that I know of, nor have you. I would challenge you to try it, and you could try to prove the story wrong about foreign contributions, but I think you would be foolish to try, because I think it is part of the record. The only unknowns about it are just exactly how much and exactly where the donations came from in terms of exact identitites, but we know there was alot. Google the subject, and educate yourself, cyclops.
By the way, I do not believe every conspiracy theory about Obama, but one fact is pretty well established, the man has alot of Marxist sympathies. It would take a deaf and dumb person not to know that. Or a fellow Marxist that likes the fact and therefore passes it off as harmless. I think the latter probably fits you more accurately.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Sun 28 Feb, 2010 03:26 pm
@okie,
Quote:
By the way, I do not believe every conspiracy theory about Obama, but one fact is pretty well established, the man has alot of Marxist sympathies. It would take a deaf and dumb person not to know that.


No, his is about a new agey promoting the health of the whole being (society) kind of thing, which you register as Marzism because you are about a generation out of date.

A great many of us believe in Obama's core values, his problem is that he does not understand power thus is ineffective as a political leader.
okie
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 28 Feb, 2010 04:57 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
By the way, I do not believe every conspiracy theory about Obama, but one fact is pretty well established, the man has alot of Marxist sympathies. It would take a deaf and dumb person not to know that.


No, his is about a new agey promoting the health of the whole being (society) kind of thing, which you register as Marzism because you are about a generation out of date.

Uh hawkeye, sorry, but I must stop you right there on that statement, the constitution is about the health or what would better be described as the rights and responsibilities of individuals. It has also been known as freedom and liberty. You will need to go to the philosophies of Marx, Stalin, and other folks like Hitler to read more about the health of the whole. Of course I believe the whole is better off by promoting individual rights and responsibilities, but I don't think that is what you are talking about in regard to what Obama believes. In fact I am very sure that is not the emphasis.

Quote:
A great many of us believe in Obama's core values, his problem is that he does not understand power thus is ineffective as a political leader.

I am curious, what do you perceive as Obama's core values? You are one of the few that have mentioned Obama as having any. I am very seriously curious about what you think they are. More detail instead of less would be appreciated.

P.S. Right and wrong never becomes out of date.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2010 01:14 pm
Obama is a self-confessed disciple of Saul Alinsky.
Saul Alinsky wrote:
Radicals should be political relativists. They should take an agnostic view of means and ends;
The radical is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer;
The radical is building his own kingdom, a kingdom of heaven on earth;
The revolutionary’s purpose is to undermine the system by taking from the haves and giving it to the have-nots, and then see what happens;
The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals;
The radical organizer does not have a fixed truth"truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing; he is a political relativist.


 

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