Obama '08?

@okie,

okie wrote:

"Trial lawyers buy Democrats in Congress

Uh, your chart shows that these law firms donated an average of less than $5,000 to each Democratic member of congress. If that constitutes "buying" a congressman, then I'm shocked and appalled at how cheaply public officials can be bought these days. Eliot Spitzer paid more for the average prostitute than these law firms are paying for the average congressmen. It's beneath their dignity and their status as holders of the public trust to be bought for anything less than five figures. I ask: have these politicians no sense of decency, at long last? Have they left no sense of decency?

On the other hand, I applaud the firms for recognizing a good bargain when they see one. Shouldn't we be encouraging that kind of initiative and savvy investing by private businesses?

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I reject the innate assumptions that underlie your question, sir, as it is completely false - and what more, you are well aware of this. Appealing to Extremes as part of your foundation is a poor way to run an argument.

I wouldn't worry about it too much, though, as it won't be long before my associates and I show up to, what was it? Oh yes. 'Kill and enslave' you.

Interesting:
(1) I wrote ...kill OR enslave, but you wrote ... kill AND enslave!
(2) You failed to state what are "the innate assumptions" that underlie my question that you reject ... "as it is completely false?"
(3) Your failure to state them is your form of support that they are true.

In BARACK OBAMA'S RULES FOR REVOLUTION, THE ALINSKY MODEL, David Horowitz wrote:

The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals

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@ican711nm,

This is the untrue assumption:

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Cyclo, your associates' justify their corruption of a free society of people who possess some equal human liberty, by declaring its purpose is the creation of a human society of people who are equal in all economic and social respects.

This doesn't represent the views of myself or my associates, and is nothing but your attempt to Appeal to Extremes as a foundation for a silly argument.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

In BARACK OBAMA'S RULES FOR REVOLUTION, THE ALINSKY MODEL, David Horowitz wrote:
"The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals."

We cannot have both, Cyclo, so which do you advocate:

(1) equal liberty allowing unequal social and economic conditions for all;

(2) equal liberty not allowing unequal social and economic conditions for all?

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@ican711nm,

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The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals

That principle is as old as the cowbebs half-way to becoming fossilised. Stalin did it.

Does Mr Horowitz think we don't know a simple thing like that. It's a circular statement too. And it doesn't allow that there's a more basic principle for radicals that he doesn't know about. Or is pretending he doesn't.

All "image" is a lie.

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@spendius,

In BARACK OBAMA'S RULES FOR REVOLUTION, THE ALINSKY MODEL, David Horowitz wrote:

Three of Obama's mentors in Chicago were trained by Saul Alinsky. Obama was hired in 1986 by the Alinsky team to organize residents on the South Side. The proposed solution to every problem on the South Side was distribution of government funds.

According to Alinsky:

Radicals should be "political relativists."They should take an agnostic view of means and ends;

The radical is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer;

The radical is building his own kingdom, a kingdom of heaven on earth;

The revolutionary’s purpose is to undermine the system by taking from the HAVES and giving it to the HAVENOTS and then see what happens;

We should not forget to acknowledge the very first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom"Lucifer;

We are not virtuous by not wanting power. We are really cowards for not wanting power, because power is good and powerlessness is evil;

The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals;

"The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution."The stated cause is never the real cause, but only an occasion to advance the real cause which is accumulation of power to make the revolution;

The standard of the revolution is democracy--a democracy which upends all social hierarchies, including those based on merit;

He built his initial power base among the underclass and the urban poor by calling to make the last ones first and the first ones also last ones.

Alinsky’s heaven on earth:

It is equivalent to a hell and not a heaven on earth, because it disparages and suppresses equal individual liberty that allows unequal individual achievement.

Obama is an Alinsky disciple and like Alinsky, Obama is a nihilist.

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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=nihilism
Main Entry: ni•hi•lism
…
1 a : a viewpoint that all traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that all existence is consequently senseless and useless : a denial of intrinsic meaning and value in life b : a doctrine that denies or is taken as denying any objective or real ground of truth; specifically : an ethical doctrine that denies any objective ground of moral principles -- called also ethical nihilism, moral nihilism

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

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The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents and disarm them by pretending to be moderates and liberals

That principle is as old as the cowbebs half-way to becoming fossilised. Stalin did it.

All the bad apples do it. Thats the only way they can gain popularity and power. They can't tell the truth, or they would lose.

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Does Mr Horowitz think we don't know a simple thing like that.

A large number of voters in the U.S. are totally clueless, spendi. They will vote for someone because they look cool or talk smooth, or for anyone that tells them they will solve all of their problems, plus save the earth, plus give them alot of money for nothing.

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It's a circular statement too. And it doesn't allow that there's a more basic principle for radicals that he doesn't know about. Or is pretending he doesn't.

All "image" is a lie.

Not all image. There are a few honest politicians left. At least mostly honest, not a total lie. But it is a first to have a president that is a closet Marxist but never admitted it. Of course he couldn't, because he would not have won.

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I dont know if this is sad or funny.
It seems that the main wacko concerning Obamas birth, Orly Taitz, has applied to the UN for protection from US courts.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/27290072/ORLY-TAITZ-APPEALS-TO-UN-FOR-PROTECTION-FROM-PERSECUTION-IN-U-S-27277636-Immediate-Release-February-22-2010

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@mysteryman,

MM, that is great. Her lawyer has a good imagination.

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@mysteryman,

It strikes me as sad, not funny. It appears that her efforts are being stonewalled in our court system, plus she is enduring death threats and all manner of other harassment. I find it ironic however that she would appeal to the U.N. of all places for a proper hearing of the issue here. For the record, although I have not known what to think of the Obama not born here possibility, I have generally dismissed it so far, however I do have a percentage of my thinking that suspects there could be something to it. After all, we have relatives in Africa claiming he was born there, and Obama has not done all that he could have done and should have done to resolve this question once and for all. Also if this attorney had nothing, the courts would happily air all of the information just to get the matter resolved for good, but we don't see that happening, which only serves to arouse more suspicion over the whole mess.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

I dont know if this is sad or funny.

That's because it's both.

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Speaking of sad or funny, which one is this? I think both. Remember Van Jones, the Marxist and the guy that accused Bush of bringing down the towers, plus he was appointed as the green czar of all things by the brilliant Obama!! Is there any doubt about how radical the NAACP is these days, folks? There are alternatives for blacks that want a reasonable organization to represent their views of liberty and freedom instead of socialism and Marxism, one would be the National Black Republicans Association.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/23/naacp-honor-van-jones-national-treasure/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fpolitics+%2528Text+-+Politics%2529&utm_content=My+Yahoo

"NAACP to Honor Van Jones as 'American Treasure'

White House green jobs adviser Van Jones quit the post last year after he was dogged by past remarks and associations, but that isn't stopping the NAACP from awarding him one of its Image Awards

White House green jobs adviser Van Jones quit the post last year after he was dogged by past remarks and associations, but that isn't stopping the NAACP from awarding him one of its Image Awards -- and even calling him a "American treasure."

Jones, who served as an adviser to the White House Council on Environmental Quality, generated mounting criticism last summer, first for calling Republicans "assholes" during a videotaped address earlier in the year and then for signing a petition in 2004 supporting the "9/11 truther" movement, which believes the Bush administration may have been involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

The latter development, which came on top of several others, was perhaps the most devastating and led to calls for his resignation.

But Jones still has his share of outspoken supporters, and one of them is Benjamin Todd Jealous, president and CEO of the NAACP.

"Van Jones is an American treasure," Jealous writes in an opinion piece posted at CNN.com. "He is quite simply one of the few Americans in recent years to have generated powerful new ideas that are creating new jobs."

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George Orwell's time-labeled his warning NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR. It was first published in England in 1949, but his warning is a perpetual and timeless warning of humanity's propensity to contain and even court personalities in its midst that are dangerous to humanity's existence. These are the personalities in humanity's midst that seek power over what the rest of humanity thinks and what the rest of humanity does. They seek this power for no other purpose than gaining power over the rest of humanity. Possessing that power over even some of humanity deludes them into thinking they are of greater worth than those over which they possess their power.

Barack Obama is one such personality that is dangerous to humanity's existence.

In BARACK OBAMA'S RULES FOR REVOLUTION, THE ALINSKY MODEL, David Horowitz wrote:

Barack Obama is a desciple of Saul Alinsky (who died in 1972). Three of Obama's mentors in Chicago were trained by Saul Alinsky. Obama was hired in 1986 by the Alinsky team to organize residents on the South Side. The proposed solution to every problem on the South Side was distribution of government funds.

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According to Alinsky:
We are not virtuous by not wanting power. We are really cowards for not wanting power, because power is good and powerlessness is evil;

"The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution."The stated cause is never the real cause, but only an occasion to advance the real cause which is accumulation of power to make the revolution;

George Orwell in NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR, Part III, Chapter III, wrote:

[O'Brien said,] The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you [Winston] begin to understand me?

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For offline reading of NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR, the complete set of pages is available for download from
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79n/o79n.zip
The complete work is also available as a single file, at
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79n/complete.html

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@okie,

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It strikes me as sad, not funny. It appears that her efforts are being stonewalled in our court system,

So how do you REALLY feel about frivolous lawsuits okie?

The courts have hardly "stonewalled" the asinine suit. They appear to have wasted a lot of tax dollars letting it get as far as it has. The federal appeals court threw it out. The Supreme Court that has 5 conservatives on it refused to hear the appeal.

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Obama has not done all that he could have done and should have done to resolve this question once and for all.

Obama has done more than enough. I don't recall Reagan posting his birth certificate online.

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Also if this attorney had nothing, the courts would happily air all of the information just to get the matter resolved for good, but we don't see that happening, which only serves to arouse more suspicion over the whole mess.

Only those idiots that refuse to accept the court rulings on the issue could possibly make such a statement okie.

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@ican711nm,

I find it funny that you would pal around with David Horowitz ican..

After all.. Horowitz was a known Marxist. I think your association with a Marxist shows you must be a Marxist too. Don't you agree ican?

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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Obama has not done all that he could have done and should have done to resolve this question once and for all.
Obama has done more than enough. I don't recall Reagan posting his birth certificate online.

I don't recall any of Reagans relatives claiming he was born on another continent. Of course, we never had any conflicting information about where Reagan was born. That you would post such an inane observation is consistent with what you post, parados.

To this day, can we all see an official certification of live birth? I have not followed this case in detail, but inform me all you experts, has the certificate of live birth or some such thing been proven beyond any doubt. Apparently, all we have is a birth certificate that can apparently be obtained or was obtained from the state of Hawaii if you wanted one, is that right?

I think Obama was probably born in Hawaii, but yes, I think there is enough conflicting information that I would like to see more iron clad proof of it.

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@okie,

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I don't recall any of Reagans relatives claiming he was born on another continent.

That you would post such an inane comment shows how consistent you are okie.

You are more than happy to take comments out of context and twist their meaning to support an outlandish claim. What relative of Obama actually claimed he was born in Kenya? Provide the ENTIRE interview not just the clipped comment.

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Apparently, all we have is a birth certificate that can apparently be obtained or was obtained from the state of Hawaii if you wanted one, is that right?

You mean a document that the US government accepts for SS, for passports, for entering the military service? Yes.

But somehow it now isn't good enough? That is utter nonsense. It is acceptable by all courts and by all governments. It is only some idiotic RWers that won't accept it and somehow they think that means no reasonable person should accept what has been accepted for years in millions of other cases.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

I find it funny that you would pal around with David Horowitz ican..

After all.. Horowitz was a known Marxist. I think your association with a Marxist shows you must be a Marxist too. Don't you agree ican?

Now, parados, that is really funny.

Horowitz is a former Communist.

I would have been even funnier if you had added:
I find it funny that you would be a disciple of George Orwell, who after all was a known Socialist. I think your association with a Socialistt shows you must be a Socialist too.

Orwell was a former Socialist.

Ain't that neat? Both Horowitz and Orwell grew up to reject their former false beliefs. How about you?

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@ican711nm,

How do you know Horowitz rejected them? After all, Communists cannot be trusted not to lie about their affiliations, according to you.

Cycloptichorn

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@ican711nm,

QUESTIONS

Will Obama ever grow up and stop violating the "supreme law of the land?'

Will Obama have to be impeached before he will grow up?

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