Obama '08?

Lash wrote:

I think all the Republicans should vote "present" in honor of our esteemed Senator from Illinois...and his buddies, the Daleys. What's good for the guy who wants to be Prez is good for everybody.

interesting

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OK, I'm being silly. I just can't abide the canonization of an imperfect man and the hypocrisy after demonization of guys across the aisle for the same ******* ****.

(Need an aspirin)

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Lash wrote:

OK, I'm being silly. I just can't abide the canonization of an imperfect man and the hypocrisy after demonization of guys across the aisle for the same **** ****.

(Need an aspirin)

Yeah I needed a stiff wild turkey just to hear the explanations

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Sorry. Too many ations.

It's alcohol for me, too.

I hate society and all their evil machinations.

<damn. another ation>

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Nominated for dual-canonization, the Guiliani-Kerik team...

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President Bush tapped Kerik, 49, earlier this month as his nominee for homeland security secretary, but Kerik abruptly withdrew his name Dec. 10 after revealing that he had not paid all required taxes for a family nanny-housekeeper and that the woman may have been in the country illegally.

He has been hit with other allegations as well, including that he had connections with people suspected of doing business with the mob and that he had simultaneous extramarital affairs with two women.

Kerik's nomination became a political embarrassment for Giuliani, a rising star in the GOP who had recommended his friend and business partner to Mr. Bush.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/10/politics/main660485.shtml

Ya hafta love a presidential candidate who demonstrates such fine taste in friends and business partners. Perhaps Gotti for AG?

(hint to lash...on character issues and the smear by association game, these aren't going to be winners for you as regards Obama/Guiliani, so you might as well cease heading for the gutter)

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Ah, the gutter is where this election will be fought and won, guaranteed.

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Blatham--

The gutter is lies, and attacks on family, and things that have nothing to do with who a person is (read A2K on Bush in any thread for legions of examples....)

Certainly, there are legitimate complaints against all candidates....as there are against Obama, notably deceptive voting practices and collusion with corrupt officials.

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I haven't actually counted but I suspect that in the first five days of this thread the number of daily posts exceeded 100. This flurry of activity might even have lasted a week or two more.

Now, 11 months after the thread was started, and only a little more than a week after Obama officially announced his candidacy the daily posts amount to around 10 or less.

We still have yet another 11 months until the first Democratic primary. What can keep the Obama buzz alive?

A third autobiography?

The drama of his efforts to quit smoking?

An appearance on The Daily Show?

His televised comments on each and every conceivable news story?

We already know of every legislative and public service achievement he has attained (that took about three days), but by the first primary we should also know of every gaffe and indiscretion he has ever committed.

It's very difficult to imagine how the excitement can last.
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We're off organizing the campaign rather than spinning our wheels here.

For anyone interested enough to look at the truth about the "present" votes in Illinois, please read this rebuttal:

http://obamarama.org/2007/01/17/dick-morris-wrong-on-obama-pac-payroll-vote

And a rebuttal about the truth about obamatruth-org is found here:

http://obamarama.org/2007/01/25/the-truth-about-obamatruthorg/

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At least Dick Morris retracted his ill-infomred article about Obama. I was going to send him an eMail telling him that his slopiness doesn't win confidence in his opinions.

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Like Sozobe and many others in this thread, I am an admirer of Paul Krugman. So I couldn't help notice that has has been praising John Edwards quite a lot lately. On February 9, for example, Krugman devoted an entire column to Edwards' health care plan. He concluded that "this is a smart, serious proposal. It addresses both the problem of the uninsured and the waste and inefficiency of our fragmented insurance system. And every candidate should be pressed to come up with something comparable."

Today, Krugman followed up by starting his column with Edwards's confession that "I was wrong" about Iraq, making quite a deal out of it, and contrasting it positively with Hillary Clinton, John McCain, and Rudy Giuliani. I think the following paragraph sums up Krugman's point: "The experience of Bush-style governance, together with revulsion at the way Karl Rove turned refusal to admit error into a political principle, is the main reason those now-famous three words from Mr. Edwards ?- "I was wrong" ?- matter so much to the Democratic base."

Krugman's instinct has proven better than mine before. They might well do so again. So, could Edwards overtake Obama in the race for the nomination? And ought he to?

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Thomas wrote:

Krugman's instinct has proven better than mine before. They might well do so again. So, could Edwards overtake Obama in the race for the nomination? And ought he to?

He could... but he's still a scumbag for pretending to channel a dead baby for money, so I expect it would be short lived. Obama has no such baggage. I must admit, however, that I think he'd have a better shot in the General Election than Hillary. Today, I still think Obama is the best hope for the Democratic Party.

Did you see this.

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Did you see this.

No I hadn't. I just went there, and my top three turn out to be Barack Obama (D) (100%), Ron Paul (R) (84%), and Al Gore (D) (84%). Edwards and Clinton rank #8 (72%) and #17 (64%) respectively. The Republican front runners aren't much better: McCain #9 at 72%, Giuliani #11 at 68%. That's about what I expected. I don't like either of the Republicans so far.

Guess I have to learn more about this Ron Paul guy. I don't think I ever heard of him.

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Ron Paul is a libertarian, and really sticks to his principles that way, kind of interesting even though I really disagree with where his principles sometimes lead him.

I like Edwards, but O'Bill's response is why I'm wary of him. He gets that response (or variations thereof) from a lot of people.

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sozobe wrote:

Ron Paul is a libertarian, and really sticks to his principles that way, kind of interesting even though I really disagree with where his principles sometimes lead him.

I like Edwards, but O'Bill's response is why I'm wary of him. He gets that response (or variations thereof) from a lot of people.

Thanks!

Anyway, it was interesting to see that according to this quizz, I should be an even more devoted Obamaniac than you are. Who would have known? Smile

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I hate to say it but I'm getting suspicious of that quiz. Too many 100% Obama responses -- are we all that similar in our thinking?

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sozobe wrote:

I hate to say it but I'm getting suspicious of that quiz. Too many 100% Obama responses -- are we all that similar in our thinking?

BTW, Bipolar Bear confused me with his Hillarosy avatar. I just noticed you're a hundredpercenter too.

As to all the 100% Obama scores, they are consistent with the theory that he's so nuanced and reasonable he persuades everybody. The scores are also consistent with the theory that he hides his rougher edges behind uplifting generalities, making everyone think he's on their side. Since I haven't read "The Audacity of Hope" yet, I don't know where I come down between these polar Obama-theories. But either way, I guess it has to do with the way he frames issues.

PS: I think the #1 on everyone's list is 100% by definition. I usually have no good matches among American politicians, so my 100% probably mean less approval than your 100%.

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You're probably right about #1/ 100%.

I noticed that some other people actually had things reversed -- I think it was mysteryman with Duncan Hunter on top and Obama on the bottom -- so maybe it's not rigged.

Meanwhile, appropos of nothing in particular except that I just read this article, does this sound at all familiar to you?

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He played basketball -- "with a consuming passion that would always exceed my limited talent." Even today, his friends say, Obama talks a mean game. "He's a bit of a trash-talker," says Butts. "You see that competitive side of him come out when he's playing Scrabble or basketball."

Ahem.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13390609/campaign_08_the_radical_roots_of_barack_obama/

Pretty good article, interesting focus (radical roots, and the radical preacher who has had a big influence on him).

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sozobe wrote:

Meanwhile, appropos of nothing in particular except that I just read this article, does this sound at all familiar to you?

Huh. You think he, too, played pick-up basketball, and that one of his rules was "it's not a foul if it doesn't bleed"?

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John McCain is going to push for the removal of Roe vs Wade during his campaign for the presidency. I wonder if this will help or hurt him?

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