Obama '08?

John McCain is going to push for the removal of Roe vs Wade during his campaign for the presidency. I wonder if this will help or hurt him?

cicerone imposter wrote:

John McCain is going to push for the removal of Roe vs Wade during his campaign for the presidency. I wonder if this will help or hurt him?

I don't see how it could help him. I think it will only serve to send more independents and moderates into Giuliani's camp, though at this juncture; I don't think he can handle Giuliani anyway. Unless something goes wrong with Rudy (or the Republicans lose their collective minds), I'd say he's a shoe in.

I'd rather him drop out than pander.

I'd say Brownback and Huckabee are out--unless there's some hideous surge of RRs as a backlash against what they call RINOs. (Rudy and McCain) I guess that's why McCain is being all religious all of a sudden.

I think he's toasted his cracker.

Lash wrote:

I'd rather him drop out than pander.

I'd say Brownback and Huckabee are out--unless there's some hideous surge of RRs as a backlash against what they call RINOs. (Rudy and McCain) I guess that's why McCain is being all religious all of a sudden.

I think he's toasted his cracker.

Then you will probably be looking for him to drop out.

For whom will you vote then?

Is a pandering Rudy worse than a pandering McCain or a pandering Clinton or Edwards?

OCCOM BILL wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

John McCain is going to push for the removal of Roe vs Wade during his campaign for the presidency. I wonder if this will help or hurt him?

I don't see how it could help him. I think it will only serve to send more independents and moderates into Giuliani's camp, though at this juncture; I don't think he can handle Giuliani anyway. Unless something goes wrong with Rudy (or the Republicans lose their collective minds), I'd say he's a shoe in.

McCain doesn't need independents and moderates to win the Republican nomination. If he doesn't win the Republican nomination he, obviously, cannot become president.

Then again there is the novel possibility that he really believes Roe V Wade should be reversed.

It is an odd, for you, comment suggesting that Republicans who do not support Giuliani have lost their minds.

Rudy running for president will not be the same Republican he was running for the mayor of New York.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

John McCain is going to push for the removal of Roe vs Wade during his campaign for the presidency. I wonder if this will help or hurt him?

I don't see how it could help him. I think it will only serve to send more independents and moderates into Giuliani's camp, though at this juncture; I don't think he can handle Giuliani anyway. Unless something goes wrong with Rudy (or the Republicans lose their collective minds), I'd say he's a shoe in.

McCain doesn't need independents and moderates to win the Republican nomination. If he doesn't win the Republican nomination he, obviously, cannot become president.

Giuliani is WAY ahead in the polls for both. Funny you wouldn't think the moderates or independents figure into the nomination.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Then again there is the novel possibility that he really believes Roe V Wade should be reversed.

Odd thing to flipflop on, that.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

It is an odd, for you, comment suggesting that Republicans who do not support Giuliani have lost their minds.

That's not quite what I said. I believe the Republicans are in a tough spot. The current President is incredibly unpopular, and IMO, anyone who can be painted as a facsimile of him will be defeated. Enter Rudy Giuliani. Tough on crime, tough on foreign policy, solid fiscal conservative, but not likely to be labeled Bushian. The very attributes that separate him from the traditional Conservative, act as a shield against ABBers, while drawing in the moderates and independents in large numbers. Again, it's only my opinion, but I think by the time election days come around; the GOP will be forced to grudgingly back Giuliani or lose. If the polls at that time suggest my theory is correct; then the GOP would have to lose their collective mind, to not recognize it, and back a candidate that is likely going to insure a loss. I can only assume they'd prefer a moderate Republican to a Democrat as our next President.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Rudy running for president will not be the same Republican he was running for the mayor of New York.

I've seen no evidence to that effect. Last I saw him; he seemed confident in his candor, and unwavering in his principles, be they popular with conservatives or not.

Like Obama, I think Giuliani's tougher race is the primary, because the bases may not realize they are the best bets in the General (Yes, I know Hillary is still polling better there, but I fully expect that to change).

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Lash wrote:

I'd rather him drop out than pander.

I'd say Brownback and Huckabee are out--unless there's some hideous surge of RRs as a backlash against what they call RINOs. (Rudy and McCain) I guess that's why McCain is being all religious all of a sudden.

I think he's toasted his cracker.

Then you will probably be looking for him to drop out.

For whom will you vote then?

Is a pandering Rudy worse than a pandering McCain or a pandering Clinton or Edwards?

Um...Condi, Condi!!

I don't know who we have, really.

Never McCain or the "Right Brothers." I don't know about Romney.

What about you?

I have a considerable respect for your opinions Bill but you are clearly, a conservative-lite.

It doesn't make you a bad person, and, in fact, your opinion probably has a more significant political push than my own, but you are not a true-believer.

Good for you, but enjoy the realm of limbo.

you (finn) to the tenth power

I am all for McCain.

If he fails I can jump to Rudy.

If he fails I can jump to Mitt.

If he fails I can vote Libertarian.

That's one of the adbantages of different voting systems (e.g. like many European countries have): you don't have to switch from one candidate to the next one but elect the party/candidate you favour most.