mysteryman
 
  6  
Mon 1 Feb, 2010 04:17 pm
@okie,
okie,
you are rapidly becoming a one trick pony.
Obama is not by any stretch a marxist, nor would I say he is a radical.
Yes, he does have some radical ideas, but every President did.

As for no experience, can you name any first term President that had previous experience running the country?
And even those that moved up from VP didnt have the "big chair" experience that you seem to think Obama should have.
okie
 
  -2  
Mon 1 Feb, 2010 08:32 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

okie,
you are rapidly becoming a one trick pony.
Obama is not by any stretch a marxist, nor would I say he is a radical.
Yes, he does have some radical ideas, but every President did.

As for no experience, can you name any first term President that had previous experience running the country?
And even those that moved up from VP didnt have the "big chair" experience that you seem to think Obama should have.

Okay, you are entitled to your opinion, but I would like to tell you a little about what has formed my opinions. I do not take lightly what I post here, and I do not post stuff just to irritate people, I post what I believe, and I have what I believe to be sound reasons that I can support.

I grew up in an FDR Democrat family. We sat around the dinner table every day, and almost a day never passed that we did not discuss politics. My mother used to tell us the Republicans were for big business and the Democrats were for the "little man."

My family worked hard, we were farmers. We had to do chores before and after school, such as milking cows, and the summers were filled with plowing and cultivating the fields, putting up hay, and rounding up cattle, etc. From the time I was in high school, I worked my summers to earn enough money to go to college, which I did, and earned a degree in Geology. I then practiced that profession for more than a decade, interrupted by a tour in the Army and Vietnam.

To make a long story short, I believe in America, it offered me the greatest of all opportunities, and I am thankful for all of them to this day. I had to work hard, but I would not have wanted a free lunch any other way. I also earned a healthy respect for the oil companies I worked with, I met many great people that worked very hard, with experience in foreign countries. I learned a healthy respect for business, and I changed my political viewpoint, because I realized the Republicans were for the liberties and freedom to work and produce, while the Democrats increasingly became demagogues of work, of the productive, and of the people that made this country what it is today.

My parents remained registered Democrats, but the last 30 years or more, they seldom voted for a Democrats anymore. the Democratic Party is a mere shell of its former self, it has grown into one of the most extreme leftist and corrupt parties that I have ever witnessed in my more than 6 decades of watching the proceedings.

You may know that I was no fan of Clinton, he was in my opinion one of the most corrupt, if not THE most corrupt president in history. When Obama came on the scene, I read his book, Audacity of Hope, did you read it, mm? I also researched his background, I checked out the church that he said changed and shaped his life, and the Jeremiah Wright, and the religious or political philosophy known as "Black Liberation Theology, did you check that out, mm? Are you aware that it is a form of Marxist theology or politics? Are you also aware that Obama kicked off his political career in the home of Bill Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrne, the unrepententy domestic terrorists that founded the weather underground, whose mission was the overthrow of the United States? Are you aware of that? Its a fact. Are you also aware that Obama cut his teeth in Chicago using Saul Alinsky's principles of community organizing, and that Alinsky is a Marxist? Are you also aware that other important people that helped raise Obama were Marxists, mm? Its a fact, I would suggest you read up on all of this stuff, it was not made up by reporters like Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh.

When I make the accusation that Obama is a Marxist sympathizer, I am serious, and there is ample reason to believe it. Its a matter of connecting dots, because Obama is not going to stand up there and tell us he is a Marxist. But he does have slips of the tongue a good many times, such as "we need to spread the wealth around," and such things like that.

Also, mm, what on earth do you think Obama's mantra of "change" was all about anyway? I happen to like America, its constitution and the liberties and freedom guaranteed us, I took the mantra of change a bit more serious, I read more into it, and I think I was right, and I am frankly offended by it. My dad and I did not risk our lives in the military for a guy like Obama to give the country away, or to change it into some socialist state.

To back up a bit, I have a good friend that supported Obama, and he still does, I just think he is not seeing what is going on. I have studied the man, and I read his book. I have also listened to many of his speeches very closely. I admit it is an objective judgement I have made about Obama, but I think you must realize one thing, extreme socialists or Marxists are not going to admit it freely. I had to argue and coax before I actually got cyclops to admit he has Marxist sympathies as well. Marxism and Communism are not popular words, but be aware mm that there are in fact many people running around today that believe in those philosophies, and many of them are in politics these days. And there are many on this forum as well.

mm, also realize Obama is not able to institute all of what he would like to do soon, and I hope never, but that does not prove he harbors no Marxist sympathies in his heart and mind. I believe he does, yes, but hopefully he will fail with most of his initiatives, and I hope also that he could change some of his affections politically, that is also possible, after all the office of president must bring hims some serious thoughts to ponder, in terms of the reponsibility and the greatness of the country.

But I have decided to take the gloves off and quit sugarcoating my opinion. It is what it is, and I make no apologies. I believe in freedom and this country. I believe in capitalism, 100%, and you will seldom or never hear Obama say it convincingly, because I do not think he believes in those same things.
parados
 
  2  
Mon 1 Feb, 2010 09:40 pm
@okie,
Quote:
Its a fact, I would suggest you read up on all of this stuff, it was not made up by reporters like Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh.

That's a good one okie...

Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh are now reporters?
parados
 
  4  
Mon 1 Feb, 2010 09:46 pm
@okie,
When I make the accusation that Okie is a Nazi racist, I am serious, and there is ample reason to believe it. Its a matter of connecting dots, because Okie is not going to stand up there and tell us he is a Nazi racist. But he does have slips of the tongue a good many times, such as "Black Liberation Theology, did you check that out," and such things like that.



So how many colors in your carton of crayons okie?
joefromchicago
 
  3  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 09:19 am
@okie,
okie wrote:
I admit it is an objective judgement I have made about Obama

http://www.freewebs.com/swbroadway/Inigo.jpg
"You use that word 'objective.' I do not think it means what you think it means."
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 10:28 am
@okie,
Quote:
I had to argue and coax before I actually got cyclops to admit he has Marxist sympathies as well.


No, you didn't! I have never hidden my preference for our society to include elements of Capitalism AND Socialism. I mean, I've been discussing this very point for years here.

It isn't something to be embarrassed of, or that needs to be hidden. It's something to be proud of. And the reality of the situation is that our country already works very much in this fashion today; you just don't want to admit it, because you have a stick up your ass on the topic and are very intellectually inflexible.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 11:30 am
IT IS OBUMA’S $3.8 TRILLION BUDGET FOR FISCAL 2011
………………………………………………………………………………………..
IT WAS BUSHY’S $0.4 TRILLION DEFICIT FOR FISCAL 2008
IT WAS OBUMA’S $1.4 TRILLION DEFICIT FOR FISCAL 2009
IT WILL BE OBUMA’S $1.6 TRILLION DEFICIT FOR FISCAL 2010
IT WILL BE OBUMA’S $0.7 TRILLION DEFICIT FOR FISCAL 2013

All this theft of USA resources by Obuma, Obuma will not cut as it should be. No! Obuma is going to fund it by theft of the income of the wealthy, when it is the wealthy who are funding existing jobs and would fund additional jobs, if Obuma is not allowed to steal their future means to do that.

Reagan in 1982 cut Carter's maximum income tax rate from 70% to 50% and then to 38.5% and then to 33%, and the fed's receipts increased every year except 1983. Since Reagan, the maximum tax rate has remained below 40%. Since 1982, total jobs grew from less than an annual average of 100 million to more than an annual average of 145 million in 2008. In 2009, jobs decreased to an annual average below 140 million because of excessive government borrowing from the private sector. Since 1987 to the present the maximum tax rate has remained below 40%, BUT federal tax receipts have increased annually since 1987 to the present"except for the years 2001 to 2004 because Bush did not reduce to 35% Clinton's tax rate increases to 39.6%, until 2003.

Total USA jobs increased by more than one million from December 2006 to December 2007.
Total USA jobs decreased by almost three million from December 2007 to December 2008.
Total USA jobs decreased by more than five million from December 2008 to December 2009.

Obuma caused more jobs to decrease than did Bushy by expanding Bushy's errors and adding many more of his own.
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okie
 
  -1  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 11:33 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:
Its a fact, I would suggest you read up on all of this stuff, it was not made up by reporters like Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh.

That's a good one okie...

Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh are now reporters?

Yes, they report what is going on, you might want to check them out. Light years ahead of the dim bulbs at some of the major news networks.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 11:37 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

parados wrote:

Quote:
Its a fact, I would suggest you read up on all of this stuff, it was not made up by reporters like Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh.

That's a good one okie...

Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh are now reporters?

Yes, they report what is going on, you might want to check them out. Light years ahead of the dim bulbs at some of the major news networks.


That's funny; according to Fox News itself, they are not in fact reporters; they are Opinion journalists. They don't report the news at all. They provide opinions.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  -1  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 11:45 am
@Cycloptichorn,
At least they admit their opinions and do not represent themselves as reporters or journalists. I said they reported the news, that is my opinion, because so-called reporters are just as biased, if not more so, but do not admit their bias.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 11:50 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

At least they admit their opinions and do not represent themselves as reporters or journalists. I said they reported the news, that is my opinion, because so-called reporters are just as biased, if not more so, but do not admit their bias.


Oh, right, right.

That's bullshit and you know it. They don't report the news. They comment on the news. There's a big difference.

I understand that in the face of proof that, once again, you are using terms incorrectly, you have to retrench and try and find another avenue for your argument; but why not just admit that you are wrong and move on instead of playing these games?

Cycloptichorn
Diest TKO
 
  1  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 11:55 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

At least they admit their opinions and do not represent themselves as reporters or journalists. I said they reported the news, that is my opinion, because so-called reporters are just as biased, if not more so, but do not admit their bias.

Move over Michael Phelps! okie is the master of the back-stroke.

This is comic gold.
K
O
parados
 
  2  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 12:12 pm
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:


Move over Michael Phelps! okie is the master of the back-stroke.

This is comic gold.
K
O

It is pretty funny in a pathetic kind of way.
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parados
 
  5  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 12:16 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

At least they admit their opinions and do not represent themselves as reporters or journalists. I said they reported the news, that is my opinion, because so-called reporters are just as biased, if not more so, but do not admit their bias.


This might start to explain some of okie's world view.

If it is your opinion then you are merely reporting the facts and not making things up.

So.. it okie's opinion, which makes it factual and he is only reporting it, Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh, who admit they are only giving their opinion, are actually reporting facts because it is their opinion and we should know that opinion is fact.

The rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper.
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ican711nm
 
  0  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 12:43 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
according to Fox News itself, they are not in fact reporters; they are Opinion journalists. They don't report the news at all. They provide opinions.

You are fantasying again!
News papers provide both news and opinion. Fox News provides both news and opinion. Listen to Fox News over any 24 hour period and you will learn for yourself, that your statement is fantasy.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 12:47 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
according to Fox News itself, they are not in fact reporters; they are Opinion journalists. They don't report the news at all. They provide opinions.

You are fantasying again!
News papers provide both news and opinion. Fox News provides both news and opinion. Listen to Fox News over any 24 hour period and you will learn for yourself, that your statement is fantasy.


Fox News itself stated that O'Reilly and Hannity - the people under discussion - are not reporters but 'opinion journalists.' I didn't make this up. I also didn't state that Fox News does no reporting at all.

Please read the thread a little more accurately before accusing me of making up fantasies, Ican.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
  -1  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 01:21 pm
IT WILL BE OBUMA’S $1.6 TRILLION DEFICIT FOR FISCAL 2010

All this is theft of USA resources by Obuma. Obuma will not stop this theft. No! Obuma is going to fund this deficit by theft of the income of the wealthy, when it is the wealthy who are funding existing jobs and would fund additional jobs, if Obuma is not allowed to steal their future means to do that.

Obuma is in the process of converting the USA's constitutional system into a demagogic aristography, and converting the USA's capitalist economy into a redistribution economy.

Does Obuma know the consequences of his programs will cause these conversionst?

Or, is Obuma too ignorant to realize that the consequences of his programs will cause these conversions?

It is very difficult for me to believe he does not realize that the consequences of his programs will cause these conversions?

Is Obuma really ignorant of the failures of Hoover, Roosevelt, Carter, and Bushy to end economic depressions/recessions by increasing federal spending? I think not!

ican711nm
 
  0  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 01:40 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Fox News itself stated that O'Reilly and Hannity - the people under discussion - are not reporters but 'opinion journalists.' I didn't make this up. I also didn't state that Fox News does no reporting at all.

Excellent! Thank you for your clarification!
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mysteryman
 
  6  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 01:41 pm
@ican711nm,
I have some advice for you.

If you really want to be taken seriously, try using his real name, OBAMA, instead of some made upp version of your own.
Even if you are 100% correct with what you are saying, you do yourself no favors when you intentionally mangle his name.
okie
 
  -2  
Tue 2 Feb, 2010 02:20 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

That's bullshit and you know it. They don't report the news. They comment on the news. There's a big difference.Cycloptichorn

They comment on the news, and often point out things in the news, often researching details of news reports and then reporting that news, so in my opinion they do report the news. Sure, some of it has already been reported, but often not in totality or in detail, so they serve as conduits of information along with their opinions about that information or news.

This is really alot about terminology. In the strictest sense, they are not considered to be traditi0nal journalists or reporters, but with the people they use to do research on events, it really becomes a combination of news and their opinion or interpretation of the news.

When you get right down to it, so-called news reporters or journalists are not much totally different, because they commonly interject their opinions or interpretations of the news they are either reporting or not reporting. News outlets routinely decide which stories to run to begin with, and in so doing they are essentially injecting their bias in terms of how important was that event. Then when they report the events, they interject their opinions by how the stories are reported, which words and descriptions are used, and in what context are the stories reported. Anyone that thinks news reporters do it without a bias, they are simply not very smart, or honest, or they are not well connected to reality.

I believe news outlets are totally and absolutely failing the public in a major way, by not doing the proper research into what politicians and the government are telling us about what they are doing, etc. So part of the reason radio talk shows and other opinion journalists have proliferated and thrived in the last few years is because traditional journalists have utterly failed to do their jobs adequately or fairly. So a huge vacuum was created by the very large lack of proper journalism being done in the past, and in fact that vacuum still exists, and that is why opinion journalists will continue to thrive. They serve a huge purpose, by filling the vacuum with alot of research and reporting of what is happening out there. Sure, it is accompanied with an opinion, but at least they are open and honest by giving us the context of their opinions, which is commonly not provided by the old traditional news outlets.

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