Obama '08?

@parados,

parados wrote:

When I make the accusation that Okie is a Nazi racist, I am serious, and there is ample reason to believe it. Its a matter of connecting dots, because Okie is not going to stand up there and tell us he is a Nazi racist. But he does have slips of the tongue a good many times, such as "Black Liberation Theology, did you check that out," and such things like that.[/color]

And that is why your opinion has no credibility, it is not based upon anything credible, you have no information that I have ever associated with or admired Nazi racists, so your talk is worthless. In contrast, I can point out Obama's record, which is absolutely correct and accurate. I would advise all people that actually care deeply about their country, to read about and inform themselves of Obama's true history and political beliefs of his friends, his mentors, and who he admired in the past. Then be honest and face the reality of what it tells you. It is my opinion that if enough people do this, his administration and his initiatives will all be soundly defeated, and when the next elections roll around, we will have a chance to return the country to sound and decent leadership. I am not afraid to state what I am saying here, because it is founded upon reality and upon facts.

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@okie,

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And that is why your opinion has no credibility, it is not based upon anything credible, you have no information that I have ever associated with or admired Nazi racists, so your talk is worthless. In contrast, I can point out Obama's record, which is absolutely correct and accurate

Except you can't point out his record okie, which is what we have been repeatedly telling you.

Of course, you do support ican's statements here and ican is clearly a Nazi racist so that means you associate and admire Nazi racists.

Now about your claims that you use evidence? As anyone can see, you clearly align yourself with ican so I have presented evidence, have I not?

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

I have some advice for you.

If you really want to be taken seriously, try using his real name, OBAMA, instead of some made upp version of your own.
Even if you are 100% correct with what you are saying, you do yourself no favors when you intentionally mangle his name.

mm, I understand your point, as I once chastised severely a poster here that used very derogatory language in regard to the president. However, ican's practice did not even approach what I responded to, and also we should remember the disrespect shown George W. Bush, who I believe was a very honorable man. That does not mean that I do not agree however that any president should be addressed with respect. I would appreciate the same respect by Obama for our country however, and hope that he would cease his needless apologizing for the country when in other parts of the world. Too many Americans have died, given all, for the sake of freedom, for a president to disrespect his own country to the extent that he seems to.dsf

Perhaps the attitude of Obama may be understood when we remember his wife Michelle saying that for the first time in her life she was proud of her country, merely because it elected or nominated her husband. If that is all the pride that the Obama's can muster about their country, then I will continue to assert here that we have a huge problem at the top of the government.

In summary, I consider ican to be a good person, a person that cares about the country, about freedom and liberty, and his opinions here show it. I think perhaps his reference to Obama is merely showing a frustration with the lack of leadership and quality of leadership that he desires in his president.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

In summary, I consider ican to be a good person, a person that cares about the country, about freedom and liberty, and his opinions here show it.

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@okie,

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In summary, I consider ican to be a good person, a person that cares about the country, about freedom and liberty, and his opinions here show it. I

You even admit to admiring a Nazi racist okie. And you want us to think you aren't one? Your actions are showing that you really are one.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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And that is why your opinion has no credibility, it is not based upon anything credible, you have no information that I have ever associated with or admired Nazi racists, so your talk is worthless. In contrast, I can point out Obama's record, which is absolutely correct and accurate

Except you can't point out his record okie, which is what we have been repeatedly telling you.

Of course, you do support ican's statements here and ican is clearly a Nazi racist so that means you associate and admire Nazi racists.

Now about your claims that you use evidence? As anyone can see, you clearly align yourself with ican so I have presented evidence, have I not?

ican is no Nazi racist. Put up or shut up.

Okay, for the thousandth time, here is my evidence, using just 5 points for now, which is enough to prove the point.

1. Besides his parents that may have had Marxist sympathies, that has been written about and is a subject unto itself, but besides them Obama was helped raised by childhood mentor Frank Marshall Davis, clearly a communist. Obama talked about this in one of his books, and spoke of Davis in complimentary ways, although not disavowing the Marxist beliefs. Having that influence is not Obama's fault that he had this person in his early years mentor him, but he does not disavow himself from the man's beliefs, there is the problem.

2. Obama started his political career in the home of his friends and domestic terrorists William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrne, part of the old weather underground, an organization bent upon overthrowing the United States government. And they also have Marxist beliefs. That clearly suggests a commonality of atttitude or belief.

3. Obama attended a church for some 20 years, that he claimed was a large influence in his life, pastored by a Jeremiah Wright. The church itself said it was founded upon something called Black Liberation Theology, which has Marxist elements to its belief system. And Wright himself espoused words of admiration for communism or Marxism, while disparaging capitalism and the rich, as well as whites and Jews and so on.

4. Obama cut his teeth politically in Chicago as a community organizer, and it is no secret he followed the teachings and methods of community organizing by one Saul Alinsky, also a known Marxist.

Add to the above the fact that during his very short stint in the Senate, Obama had one of the, or the most liberal or leftist voting record of anyone there, plus his various statements as candidate and as president, disparaging business interests and promoting wealth re-distribution. None of this would be of huge concern, if not for the history of Obama and how his attitudes were formed and shaped. Now, anyone is free to draw their own conclusions, but I am not going to sugarcoat mine, and they are based upon facts, Parados, and you know it. The only reason that I can surmise here as to why anyone would be compelled to defend Obama and his Marxist influences, would be the possibility that they also share many of those same sympathies and beliefs. Almost unbelievable, but I have been shocked to find many on this forum that have already admitted as much, but there are those that probably do not wish to admit it .

Look, this is a free country, believe what you want, but one request for you, Parados, if you believe something, be proud of it and proudly defend it, but be honest about your beliefs.

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@okie,

By the way, for anyone here that wants to believe Obama is some kind of centrist, please read my above 5 points, and then seek to provide any evidence that they are wrong, and that the obvious conclusion from them is flawed so much as to be 180 degrees off. This is merely common sense. After all, if this was a Republican with similar alliances, influences, and connections, we would have seen the uproare over it all many times over by now, and likely any such politicians would have resigned by now. But given the situation we have now, the mainstream press will continue to defend and apologize for Obama, a guy that they have invested a huge amount of capital into, they are not going to quit the defense of him, never.

And I am not going to quit speaking the truth about it.

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@okie,

Your points are immaterial, for you are seeking to attack Obama based on his associations. Guilt by association is the lowest form of attack on someone; it is what people turn to when they have no real evidence.

There is a whole year of Obama's time in office as President now, and you can't point to anything that he has done as 'socialist' let alone Marxist. Nothing. That's all the counter-evidence anyone needs.

The fact that you have reached the point where you are alienating your fellow Conservatives on this board should serve as a wake-up call for you, Okie.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

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1. Besides his parents that may have had Marxist sympathies, that has been written about and is a subject unto itself,

oh.. Please.. That is evidence?

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by childhood mentor Frank Marshall Davis, clearly a communist.

Except there is no evidence he was "clearly a communist".

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Having that influence is not Obama's fault that he had this person in his early years mentor him, but he does not disavow himself from the man's beliefs, there is the problem.

Which beliefs? You haven't established any beliefs.

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2. Obama started his political career in the home of his friends and domestic terrorists William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrne, part of the old weather underground, an organization bent upon overthrowing the United States government. And they also have Marxist beliefs. That clearly suggests a commonality of atttitude or belief.

It doesn't suggest that Obama is Marxist any more than Bush having lunch with the leader of China suggests that Bush is a communist.

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3. Obama attended a church for some 20 years, that he claimed was a large influence in his life, pastored by a Jeremiah Wright. The church itself said it was founded upon something called Black Liberation Theology, which has Marxist elements to its belief system. And Wright himself espoused words of admiration for communism or Marxism, while disparaging capitalism and the rich, as well as whites and Jews and so on.

I love the stuff you guys make up okie. Do you think it is true that Marx hated Jews and whites?

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Look, this is a free country, believe what you want, but one request for you, Parados, if you believe something, be proud of it and proudly defend it, but be honest about your beliefs.

I believe that you are an idiot okie. It isn't something I am proud of but you seem to be. But I am happy to point how much of an idiot you are.

Now about your Nazi racist past okie... Do you really think you can hide it?

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@okie,

Your posts are nothing but garbage okie.

They show as much about Obama being a marxist as your association with ican shows you to be a Nazi racist.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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1. Besides his parents that may have had Marxist sympathies, that has been written about and is a subject unto itself,

oh.. Please.. That is evidence?

Not perfect, but added to all the other, it is significant: Here is but one reference about Obama's father:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obama-sr-a-committed-communist
"Obama Sr.’s journal article repeatedly asks what the Kenyan government means by “African Socialism,” as distinct from Soviet-style communism, and concludes that the new phrase doesn’t mean much."

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by childhood mentor Frank Marshall Davis, clearly a communist.
Except there is no evidence he was "clearly a communist".

There is plenty, Parados, but of course as one with sympathies toward Obama, you will defend and dodge and weave, as you do every issue here in your lawyerly manner. The following is but a tiny bit of the evidence:
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

"However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."

The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations. "

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Having that influence is not Obama's fault that he had this person in his early years mentor him, but he does not disavow himself from the man's beliefs, there is the problem.
Which beliefs? You haven't established any beliefs.

Sure they have, check it out, the above article but one of many.

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2. Obama started his political career in the home of his friends and domestic terrorists William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrne, part of the old weather underground, an organization bent upon overthrowing the United States government. And they also have Marxist beliefs. That clearly suggests a commonality of atttitude or belief.
It doesn't suggest that Obama is Marxist any more than Bush having lunch with the leader of China suggests that Bush is a communist.

Bush did not start his political career in Mao Tse Tung's home, but imagine if he did, there might be a stir about it. Use common sense, Parados. As I have already said, the only reason I can imagine as to why you argue against the obvious is because you also have similar beliefs or affections for people like Bill Ayers. After all, why else would you believe it is okay to launch ones political career in such peoples' home?

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3. Obama attended a church for some 20 years, that he claimed was a large influence in his life, pastored by a Jeremiah Wright. The church itself said it was founded upon something called Black Liberation Theology, which has Marxist elements to its belief system. And Wright himself espoused words of admiration for communism or Marxism, while disparaging capitalism and the rich, as well as whites and Jews and so on.
I love the stuff you guys make up okie. Do you think it is true that Marx hated Jews and whites?

Its a mixture of Marx and black racism on whites, Parados, the way Marxists gain a foothold into the black community is to convince them that they are downtrodden and treated unfairly by whites. Such tactics are common by Marxists, they use and promote the greviences among and between groups in order to gain political power. This is obviously what BLT is about. Read up on it and educate yourself, or perhaps you already know and you have similar beliefs as other Marxists do?

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Look, this is a free country, believe what you want, but one request for you, Parados, if you believe something, be proud of it and proudly defend it, but be honest about your beliefs.

I believe that you are an idiot okie. It isn't something I am proud of but you seem to be. But I am happy to point how much of an idiot you are.

Now about your Nazi racist past okie... Do you really think you can hide it?

Again, baseless charges, by somebody with not evidence, and of course an absolute lie. This stands in stark contrast with the solid evidence I have stated numerous times about Obama, which you and other likeminded liberal leftists either ignore or defend with every debate tactic you can muster, but of course it is all based upon intellectual dishonesty. You have no political honesty, Parados.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Your posts are nothing but garbage okie.

They show as much about Obama being a marxist as your association with ican shows you to be a Nazi racist.

My posts are honest and with evidence, and proud to be an American that believes in capitalism, freedom, and liberty. Sadly, you cannot say the same, Parados, you are an ultra leftist with no political honesty, but will defend with every lawyerly tactic any leftists or their beliefs.

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@okie,

You're relying on unsourced allegations made during the HUAC hearings, in order to damn someone as a socialist? And then to attack Obama with it?

What a ******* joke. Every piece of 'evidence' that you have brought up is either hearsay or circumstancial. None of Obama's actual actions match the rhetoric you provide, at all. How long are you going to keep pretending that this resembles an actual argument in any way?

Should I remind you that the Bush family had extensive dealings with Nazi Germany - and therefore the Bushies are clearly Nazis or had fascist sympathies? By your logic, you would have to agree that this is true.

Cycl0ptichorn

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@okie,

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Bush did not start his political career in Mao Tse Tung's home, but imagine if he did, there might be a stir about it.

And guess what.. Obama didn't start his political career in a Marxist's home. He may have visited an alleged Marxist once or twice but his career didn't "start" there.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/ayers_alone_did_not_launch_oba.html

Hmm.. it seems no one recalls when the coffee at the Ayers house was.

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“No evidence shows they were ‘pals’ or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/05/politics/fromtheroad/entry4502414.shtml

But.. you claimed you know something okie.. SO.. please provide us with the date that Ayers held the coffee so we can compare it to other known dates. Frankly, you are full of **** and everyone but you know it.

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"However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA).

That's lovely okie..

But you are associated with ican who has been publicly identified as a Nazi racist....
B y the way the HUAC also called Reagan to testify about his association with Communists. I guess that proves Reagan was a Commie.

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@mysteryman,

OK, mysteryman, I'll accept your advice now. "Obama" it is!

I was trying to mock those here who have posted "Bushy" for Bush.

Thanks for your advice!

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@okie,

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Such tactics are common by Marxists, they use and promote the greviences among and between groups in order to gain political power

This is an interesting admission by you okie as you try to use and promote grievances among and between groups in order to gain political power.

It seems, not only are you a Nazi racist but you are also a Marxist.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

ican is clearly a Nazi racist

Fantasy statements like that by you, destroy any credibility you might still have,

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@parados,

parados wrote:

ican is clearly a Nazi racist

jesus, what did the nazis and the racists ever do to you, comparing them to ican, that's cold

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@ican711nm,

Denial of what they are is a sign of Nazi racists, ican. Twisted Evil

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OBAMA HAS PROPOSED A $3.8 TRILLION BUDGET FOR FISCAL 2011

This is promised theft of USA resources by Obama. Obama says he is going to fund his proposed budget by theft of the income of the wealthy, when it is the wealthy who are funding existing jobs.

Obama, knowingly or unknowingly, is in the process of converting the USA's constitutional system into a demagogic aristography, and converting the USA's capitalist economy into a redistribution economy.

Does Obama know the consequences of his programs will cause these conversions?

Or, is Obama too ignorant to realize that the consequences of his programs will cause these conversions?

Is Obama truly ignorant of the failures of Hoover, Roosevelt, Carter, and Bush to end economic depressions/recessions by increasing federal spending?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/pdf/hist.pdf

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