sozobe
 
  1  
Fri 2 Feb, 2007 09:10 am
This is less complimentary towards Hillary than the one I saw before, but contains most of the same info:

Quote:
Recently, Sharpton went to DC to meet with presidential candidates Senators Obama, Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton, and Joseph Biden.
Regarding his meeting with Obama, apparently it did not ease his particular concerns, however.
Sharpton noted that the senator from Illinois voted for the tort reform bill, which would, for example, put a ceiling on awards in police brutality cases. He said that he did not want the lawyers to get all this money. Sharpton said that he pointed out that this affects the victims more so.
"Louima, Diallo, we wouldn't have got any of that money for them - that bothered me. Number two: Obama voted for the wall in Mexico. How are you going to roll with a Latino coalition if you voted for the wall to block Mexicans? The third thing was [previously] he said that he was not for reparations. These were the type of things that I raised with Obama."


He voted for the wall, really? Anyone want to look that up? (I'll try later if nobody else has.)

Quote:


http://www.amsterdamnews.com/News/article/article.asp?NewsID=75807&sID=4
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2007 09:19 am
sozobe wrote:
He voted for the wall, really? Anyone want to look that up? (I'll try later if nobody else has.)


Yes, he did.
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woiyo
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2007 09:21 am
snood wrote:


Apparently, many so-called "Black Leaders" do not want "blacks" to work hard and advance themselves. Those like Sharpton, Jackson and Crouch want to keep the black man down so they can further their agenda.
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sozobe
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2007 09:23 am
Thanks, Walter!

Well that's annoying. :-?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2007 09:24 am
This nice compilation, however, give links to that Obama voted in favor of amendment to kill the border fence as well.
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sozobe
 
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Fri 2 Feb, 2007 09:27 am
That is a nice compilation, thanks again!

So we have another "for it before he was against it", which is evidently a hallmark of being a Senator. Sigh.
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snood
 
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Sat 3 Feb, 2007 06:59 am
sozobe wrote:
Lots of people here were on my Gallaudet thread, where I discussed the "not Deaf enough" concept. It is, unfortunately, really common amongst oppressed minority groups I think. Counterintuitive but common (and as a swing of the pendulum I think that overall it might be healthy -- that is, it's a step towards empowerment and self-regard, just that the stage itself is unfortunate.)

I forget if it was posted here that Al Sharpton has been "interviewing" Democratic candidates -- I don't remember how it went exactly, can find it, but he clearly appreciated Hillary and expressed some reservations about Obama. While this is completely paraphrasing, the attitude towards Obama was "I'm open-minded, but he needs to convince me."

I think some of this is just not wanting to be taken for granted, which has been the bane of the black electorate for a long time. "You're black, you'll vote Democratic, so I'm going to spend my time trying to convince those white soccer moms over there..." Or, showing up to get votes every 4 years but not the rest of the time. I think that's valid. A certain frustration with the fact that all of these pundits are talking about how Obama will get the black vote yadda yadda and then black people are crossing their arms and saying, "Oh, will we...?"

So while that makes a certain amount of sense to me, I'm optimistic that Obama will be able to show his civil rights cred (which he HAS) and win over a good proportion of that group.

We'll see...

Snood, did I tell you I got Obama's books? I'm making my way through them kind of piecemeal, haven't sat down and read them cover to cover yet, but I'm so impressed. Especially, "Audacity of Hope" is way more specific than I expected -- proposals, strong beliefs -- which I like in two ways. One is that I like the proposals!! (Some stuff about making it easier for working parents that is absolutely stellar.) Another is that it defies a label he's gotten as being all about the comforting platitudes -- that book has meat to it. It's not like I wasn't already a fan (ahem) but reading these books is kicking everything up another notch.


I know whatcha mean - I am going back and rereading passages from "Audacity" occasionally, and much of my reason for doing that is because of the buzz on Obama about "platitudes", and about how he doesn't have strong or definable views. That's a crock, stirred by folks who are predisposed to oppose his legitimacy, and candidacy.

I've read some of what Sharpton has been saying in the news, about Obama having not yet "convinced" him. And I think you are right on about the motivation for the reticence expressed by him and some others.
I too believe that those who will honestly look at his views will see the substance.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 3 Feb, 2007 03:02 pm
Snood, Don't worry about Obama; he'll prove himself as a man of ethics and straight-forward rhetoric that most people will see as refreshing and welcomed. Those who say negative things about Obama is based on jealousy or lies.
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Lash
 
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Sat 3 Feb, 2007 03:03 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Snood, Don't worry about Obama; he'll prove himself as a man of ethics and straight-forward rhetoric that most people will see as refreshing and welcomed. Those who say negative things about Obama is based on jealousy or lies.

Yes. And, he can jump tall buildings in a single bound!!
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snood
 
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Sat 3 Feb, 2007 04:32 pm
Thanks for your sig line, Lash.
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snood
 
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Sat 3 Feb, 2007 11:23 pm
Lash wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Snood, Don't worry about Obama; he'll prove himself as a man of ethics and straight-forward rhetoric that most people will see as refreshing and welcomed. Those who say negative things about Obama is based on jealousy or lies.

Yes. And, he can jump tall buildings in a single bound!!



Give 'im time...
http://obama.senate.gov/img/superman.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 4 Feb, 2007 02:24 am
Online report from today's The Observer:
The Obama revolution

Quote:
He is charismatic, confident and and is starting to change the face of American politics by reaching out across party lines to Democrats and Republicans. But can the Illinois senator, who is set to announce his presidential candidacy this week, go the distance? Paul Harris reports


http://i5.tinypic.com/2jb4k04.jpg
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snood
 
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Sun 4 Feb, 2007 06:42 am
After reading a piece by Elayne Boosler aobut how insulting it is to ask "Are we ready for a Woman President?", this thought occured to me (and it is not original)...

True equaltity will be reached in this country when we can have truly mediocre Blacks in high places.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Sun 4 Feb, 2007 07:09 am
snood- Isn't there enough mediocrity in government already? Laughing

I hear what you are saying, and you have a valid point. I do think though that what this country needs are better people, (no matter what their race, religion, national origin, gender or sexual preference) rather than having even more jerks and dullards running the country.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 4 Feb, 2007 12:24 pm
I think "mediocrity" to label Bush is too kind; the latest news is that the US supplied military equipment to al Sadr's militia, the anti-American group which has been battling our troops in Baghdad. To top it off, many of the ground troops in Iraq are saying a surge will not help the situation. It's now Bush and the generals against the American People, the Iraqis, and the troops on the ground. That's beyond incompetence and mismanagement.
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Lash
 
  1  
Sun 4 Feb, 2007 02:55 pm
snood wrote:
After reading a piece by Elayne Boosler aobut how insulting it is to ask "Are we ready for a Woman President?", this thought occured to me (and it is not original)...

True equaltity will be reached in this country when we can have truly mediocre Blacks in high places.

That was funny.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 4 Feb, 2007 03:02 pm
snood, If you're talking about ethical mediocrity in high places....
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snood
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2007 06:17 pm
Whad'ya think about this, as a clipping from the future, Soz? I forget - are you one of those who's scared of a Gore candidacy?


http://giussani.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/gorebamaclipping_1.jpg
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sozobe
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2007 07:20 pm
What's up with that?

I'm not scared of it per se, in that I like Gore and think he would be a good president. I think he's Hillary squared though in terms of baggage, and I can't see Obama going for that. It's exactly the stuff that he's talking about transcending.

Gore does have this whole second act as an environmentalist that changes what I think of him as a candidate as opposed to even just a year ago. But I still think that overall he'd be a ball and chain for Obama, and really dampen a lot of what is so appealing about him (Obama).
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2007 07:24 pm
snood wrote:
After reading a piece by Elayne Boosler aobut how insulting it is to ask "Are we ready for a Woman President?", this thought occured to me (and it is not original)...

True equaltity will be reached in this country when we can have truly mediocre Blacks in high places.


I have had a lot of black friends over the years both mediocre, very smart and outright dumbasses.

I have been in high places with all of them.
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