Obama '08?

I think, cyclops, that there is socialism and then there is socialism, there are degrees of it, and Marxism strikes me a rather severe form of it, and that has been the major thrust of what my questions were trying to pry out of you.

I am using a process of trying to get you and other liberals to think logically about what you believe and why, and to be honest about it with other people, such as here on this forum.

I keep learning valuable things from you, cyclops. Here is a short list.

You believe animals should have the same rights as humans.

Assuming a Marxist is president, it would cause you absolutely no concern whatsoever, that being a 0 on a scale of 0 to 10, with zero being no concern. This tells me you are apparently a Marxist.

Also, you think associations mean nothing. So apparently if a person had friends that were criminals, it means absolutely nothing about the character of that person.

Keep talking, cyclops, I can't say that it brings anybody any comfort to hear what you believe, but it does serve to inform all of us here what an avowed liberal or ultra-leftist actually believes here. It is highly instructive, and could even serve as a wakeup call to some of your fellow liberals, if they have any wisdom at all, and care about saving our country from those that are seeking to change it into something unrecognizable to anything that it has ever been.

My fellow Liberals agree with me on 90% of what I espouse...

In short, don't ever ******* lecture me again on 'saving' our country. It is your bunch who have worked as hard as possible to ruin it, all in the name of Greed and Fear. **** that ****. You live in an alternate reality, Okie, removed from any need for consistency or history. It's truly amazing having conversations with you sometime.

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I keep learning valuable things from you, cyclops. Here is a short list.

You believe animals should have the same rights as humans.

I have never once said that they should enjoy 'equal rights.' I have said that it is only human arrogance which presumes that we enjoy more natural rights then they do, or are in some way divinely special.

Please make an attempt to represent my arguments with at least some modicum of accuracy in the future, or I shall start to assume that you are intentionally being a liar.

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Assuming a Marxist is president, it would cause you absolutely no concern whatsoever, that being a 0 on a scale of 0 to 10, with zero being no concern. This tells me you are apparently a Marxist.

This tells me that you don't understand what your own questions are asking. Being unconcerned with the economic orientation of a president doesn't makes someone themselves the same as that person.

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Also, you think associations mean nothing. So apparently if a person had friends that were criminals, it means absolutely nothing about the character of that person.

This is pretty much true. Once you get into politics, you are forced to associate with all sorts of nefarious characters from time to time. That's the reality of life, Okie.

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Keep talking, cyclops, I can't say that it brings anybody any comfort to hear what you believe, but it does serve to inform all of us here what an avowed liberal or ultra-leftist actually believes here. It is highly instructive, and could even serve as a wakeup call to some of your fellow liberals, if they have any wisdom at all, and care about saving our country from those that are seeking to change it into something unrecognizable to anything that it has ever been.

My fellow Liberals agree with me on 90% of what I espouse, and the one thing I am POSITIVE they agree with is that you, Okie, and your mindset have driven this country into the gutter. You believe in Greed as an overwhelming principle and so do the rest of your business-first Republican allies. You don't give a **** if we kill people to get what we want, or torture, or eavesdrop on private communications. Being an 'American' to you, means living or dying on your own and not giving a **** if anyone else does. It means paying the lowest taxes possible and to hell with the consequences. It means demonizing people who have different opinions or religions than you. It means comparing your opponents to Hitler constantly.

In short, don't ever ******* lecture me again on 'saving' our country. It is your bunch who have worked as hard as possible to ruin it, all in the name of Greed and Fear. **** that ****. You live in an alternate reality, Okie, removed from any need for consistency or history. It's truly amazing having conversations with you sometime.

Obama and the Dems are taking a lot of heat right now for having to clean up situations which YOUR mindset caused. Unlike Bush ever did, he has owned up to this and takes the heat. You are really enjoying this opportunity you have been given to attack attack attack all the time, every single thing they do; but why don't yourself and all of us a favor and give it a ******* rest with the high horse you apparently think you are sitting on.

Cycloptichorn

By the way, cyclops, I have spent alot of time debating you, but I am going to have to rethink it. A reasonable person cannot reason with crazies, such as Marxists and people that think might makes right, in fact I think you and those people that think like you are actually downright dangerous to this country.

The only debating I can do that will do any good is to register my opinion with a vote against your whacko and radical candidates, and to try to fight the corruption, such as groups like ACORN, and all the other subversive groups out there

I wish you personal happiness, but you, my friend, are a very misguided individual. You can have all the liberty and freedom to live your life as you wish, but you have no right to push policitians that want to ram your unconsitutional and lousy politics onto the rest of us. Is that clear?

One last comment, thanks for being honest. I wish all of the leftists were as honest as you are. And that includes Obama. Too bad he is not open and to be trusted. If he were as honest as you, he would not have gotten 30% of the vote.

The Justice Department has told the federal attorneys who filed a civil complaint against the New Black Panther Party for disrupting a Philadelphia polling place last year not to cooperate with an investigation of the incident by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

Joseph H. Hunt, director of the Justice Department's Federal Programs Branch, ordered the lawyers' silence in a letter to the attorney for J. Christian Adams, the lead attorney for the department in the New Black Panther case. The letter said "well-established" and "lawful" Justice Department guidelines prohibited Mr. Adams' cooperation in the commission probe.

I am neither a Marxist nor someone who thinks that Might makes Right. You are very, very poor at understanding other people's arguments. You just substitute whatever you want to hear in place of what they are actually saying.
Cycloptichorn

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I am neither a Marxist nor someone who thinks that Might makes Right. You are very, very poor at understanding other people's arguments. You just substitute whatever you want to hear in place of what they are actually saying.
Cycloptichorn

Sorry, but that does not fly.

Again, we need to go back to basic logic wherein you walked through the exercises of answering basic questions,

and that is the conclusion reached, that you are in fact a Marxist, pretty much inescapable conclusion reached by your answers.

Unless you just cannot grasp simple logic, which I suppose is a possibility. The might makes right conclusion is also a conclusion reached by some of your answers. Again, maybe you just did not use reason with your answers?

And your claim that ACORN is not corrupt, that is really another tipoff to your basic lack of just being out to the loop in terms of recognizing the facts of what is going on.

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Article VI
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This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

Article III
Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.