Obama '08?

Advocate wrote:

Could you provide some examples of this lying, etc., by Obama. I have not seen this at all.

Do you remember when Obama said all of the health care debate would be televised on C-SPAN?

Obama is compromising the future of this republic right before your eyes and you can't see it.

H2O MAN wrote:

Advocate wrote:

Could you provide some examples of this lying, etc., by Obama. I have not seen this at all.

Do you remember when Obama said all of the health care debate would be televised on C-SPAN?

Obama is compromising the future of this republic right before your eyes and you can't see it.

Mayabe you are the liar. First, C-SPAN is controlled by congress, not Obama.

Could you provide some examples of this lying, etc., by Obama.

WASHINGTON " During almost two years on the campaign trail, Barack Obama vowed to slay the demons of Washington, bar lobbyists from his administration

I have not seen this at all

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

Questions again for any liberal. So far, none can muster the spine to answer them. Cyclops started to try, but pretty much faded out, when asked for details.

I didn't 'fade out;' I answered all the questions you asked of me.

Not satisfactorily. You admit you are to the left of Obama, in your opinion, but the last question I posed - assuming Obama was in fact a Marxist at heart, on the scale of 0 to 10, how concerned would you be? I do not recall an answer.

With 0 being lowest, I'm concerned at a level of 0.

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Which, I should point out, are stupid questions to begin with, loaded questions which serve nothing more than to forward your idiotic viewpoint that Obama is some sort of 'socialist,' when his actions make perfectly clear that he is not.

Stupid questions according to you, because you are uncomfortable in answering them, you are put on the spot and challenged to openly answer the questions honestly.

Have I shown any discomfort or reluctance to answer your questions? At all? Ever?

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An open and honest person that is proud of their political beliefs should have no problem answering them. In fact, many many people believe Obama is "some sort of extreme socialist,"

Only right-wingers like yourself who don't know what they are talking about. You've pretty much shown that you don't understand the difference between Socialism and leftist policy; you just lump them both together, because it's convenient for you to make boogeymen out of your opponents that way. You use the word 'radical' and 'fascist' the same way: like a high-school debater, big on accusations, little on understanding.

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and so this gives you the chance to disagree with that, and to defend your reasons with valid evidence. I am merely asking for an honest answer, to try to better understand where you stand politically, and why. The questions I ask are immensely pertinent, and they are questions that every responsible voter should be able to answer.

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you persist in this because you have a deep-seated insecurity about Obama, and feel the need to express it through constant condemnations of him.

Cycloptichorn

I have no deepseated insecurity

Yes you do. You display it constantly. It's quite obvious that you are centered around tearing the guy down, because you fear him.

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but call it what you want, I do openly and honestly confess that I have a deep seated distrust of Obama, a man that I perceive as having never been open and honest about his true political beliefs. However I am beginning to more and more see this trait as a trait that is common to extreme leftists, it is difficult to get the full and honest answers out of them. The example of my questions not being answered at all or incompletely here, that is a great example of that trait.

I have answered every question you asked, fully. So it's truly dishonest for you to say that 'leftists' don't answer questions or are not proud of their beliefs.

Cycloptichorn

To be accurate, I do not trust anybody that I do not think believes in freedom, capitalism, and liberty, but instead has affections for fascism or Marxism. I openly admit to that and I have good reasons for it.

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To be accurate, I do not trust anybody that I do not think believes in freedom, capitalism, and liberty, but instead has affections for fascism or Marxism. I openly admit to that and I have good reasons for it.

Okay; but Obama constantly states that he believes in freedom, capitalism, and liberty, and his actions have been entirely consistent with this.

waterboy proves his ignorance with every post. He offers nothing of intellect or information that anybody can use. He belongs in an infant's sand box.

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To be accurate, I do not trust anybody that I do not think believes in freedom, capitalism, and liberty, but instead has affections for fascism or Marxism. I openly admit to that and I have good reasons for it.

Okay; but Obama constantly states that he believes in freedom, capitalism, and liberty, and his actions have been entirely consistent with this. You can't point at anything he's done and say, 'that's a socialist thing.' I've asked you to do so, and you can't. So I don't think you have 'good reasons.' I think you have suspicions built on partisanship and fear.

Cycloptichorn

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To be accurate, I do not trust anybody that I do not think believes in freedom, capitalism, and liberty, but instead has affections for fascism or Marxism. I openly admit to that and I have good reasons for it.

Okay; but Obama constantly states that he believes in freedom, capitalism, and liberty, and his actions have been entirely consistent with this. You can't point at anything he's done and say, 'that's a socialist thing.' I've asked you to do so, and you can't. So I don't think you have 'good reasons.' I think you have suspicions built on partisanship and fear.

Cycloptichorn

Lets try to break down the questions I asked and the answers you provided, using logic, okay? As I see it, my questions consisted of two variables, one being the question of whether you think, or anyone thinks Obama has affections for and may be a Marxist at heart. This question relates to whether you or others believe his associations, his statements, his mantra of change, and all of that are really the dots that can be connected to come to a logical conclusion about his beliefs. I would openly admit that this question has different answers depending upon your judgement and assessment of Obama.

The second variable or question was sort of like a "what if" question, or a question to be answered subsequent to a given being provided, similar to a math problem. The question does not argue over what Obama is, it makes an assumption for the purpose of you providing an answer given a set of circumstances. If you prefer, consider it a hypothetical, if you don't agree with the assumption, and in fact that is the way I framed the question. The question was if it is pretty much accepted that Obama is a Marxist at heart, what would be your concern on a scale of 0 to 10, with 0 being no concern, 5 being moderately concerned, and a 10 would be wow, lets vote that guy out the next chance we get, and oppose every last initiative he tries between now and then. The president could be John Doe, for all I care, it doesn't have to be Obama, but the important variable is that the president has become known to be a Marxist at heart, or at least harbor alot of sympathies for Marxism. Amazingly, your answer was a zero, you would have zero concern. This tells me alot about you, cyclops. It tells me you are apparently a Marxist at heart. This bit of information will forever be helpful anytime I read any of your posts.

Okie: you didn't need to be a ******* detective to understand things which I've already told you. I have straight-up told you that I believe we should have more socialistic elements to our society; what part of that do you not understand? Why go to all this trouble to 'deduce' through questions something which I freely discuss?

I will note that - again - you still can't point to anything that Obama has actually DONE, which matches your rhetoric. I challenge you to do so, with the expectation that you will be unable to do so; after all, you've been unable to do so the last few times I've asked (always resorting to saying 'he hasn't done anything YET...) so why should you be able to now?

Your opinion of me and my political beliefs really shouldn't change, because you really haven't got any new information; I've just been nice enough to string your stupid ******* questions along, by being polite. You're using this as an opportunity to try and ride your 'Socialist! Marxist! Radical!' hobby-horse a little farther. I hope you are enjoying it. It would be more meaningful if you displayed understanding of the topics you are discussing, or had any evidence that the people you are slandering are doing anything you are accusing them of.

Another question for you: if I honestly wish our society had more socialistic elements, why should I be concerned if there is a president who would work to put more of those elements in our society? What did you THINK I was going to say to your question? The fact that you believe this dreck serves as analysis is just amazing.

Cycloptichorn