cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 04:21 pm
@slkshock7,
Big difference; Palin is now a known quantity after her run in 2008. Obama was mostly known only in IL with much less national exposure without much potential outside of it.
ican711nm
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 04:21 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
ican711nm wrote:
Cyclo, you appear to be just another coveter alias liberal, alias progressive ...

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Ican. What do I have to say to you to convince you of [this fact]?

1, I want nothing you have; I don't need anything that you or anyone else has. Life is great for me, I covet nothing of yours or anyone else's.
...

I am convinced you want nothing I have.

I am convinced you do not need anything I have.

I am convinced you want nothing anyone else has.

I am convinced you do not need anything anyone else has.

I am now also convinced you want others who have more than you to have less than they currently have.

Therefore, I continue to conclude you are a coveter alias liberal, alias progressive.



Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 04:24 pm
@ican711nm,
What? That doesn't make any sense!

Having a different opinion of tax policy than you doesn't make me 'covetous' in any way, Ican. You are just making words up.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 04:25 pm
@ican711nm,
No logic.
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ican711nm
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 04:51 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=covet&x=21&y=9
Main Entry: cov·et
transitive verb
1 : to wish for earnestly : crave possession or enjoyment of : long for
...
2 : to desire (another's possession or attribute) inordinately or culpably <neither shalt thou covet ... [anything that is neighbor's] -- Deut 5:21 (Authorized Version)>
...
intransitive verb : to feel or cherish inordinate desire or craving for another's possession or attributes
...
synonym see DESIRE

Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=desire&x=25&y=8
Main Entry: 1de·sire
...
transitive verb
1 : to long or hope for : wish for earnestly : exhibit or feel desire for : COVET
...
synonyms WISH, WANT, CRAVE, COVET
...
COVET implies a strong, eager desire, often inordinate and envious and often for what belongs to another
...

Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 04:57 pm
@ican711nm,
Sure. But you already admitted that I don't want anything. I don't desire anything from the rich.

So how could I be covetous? You are tying yourself in knots.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 05:05 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
You desire the rich to have less, therefore by definition you covet what the rich have.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 05:11 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

You desire the rich to have less, therefore by definition you covet what the rich have.


No, I don't. You are using the word 'covet' incorrectly. And you are doing so in the face of me telling you just how wrong you are.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 05:21 pm
http://boortz.com/images/2009/12/the_debt_star_o.jpg
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ican711nm
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 05:36 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I am using the word "covet" correctly. You are refusing to acknowledge what is inescapable from the definitions of the words "covet"and "desire."

You "desire" that the rich have less, therefore you "covet" what the rich have. Therefore you are a coveter, alias liberal, alias progressive.

Those that are "jealous" of what others have, want what others have for themselves. Those that are "envious" of what others have, want those others to be deprived of what they have. Those that are either "jealous" or "envious" are "coveters."
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 05:41 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

You "desire" that the rich have less, therefore you "covet" what the rich have. Therefore you are a coveter, alias liberal, alias progressive.


This does not follow logically; you can't covet something on behalf of someone else. It just is a different meaning than what 'covet' is.

Quote:
Those that are "jealous" of what others have, want what others have for themselves. Those that are "envious" of what others have, want those others to be deprived of what they have. Those that are either "jealous" or "envious" are "coveters."


Good thing, then, I am neither envious nor jealous of anyone. Why would I be? My life is great! Better than yours, apparently, as I don't spend all day worrying about who is going to take my next dollar...

You need to come up with another stupid acronym, Ican, the one you have doesn't apply to me.

Cycloptichorn
teenyboone
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 06:28 pm
@ican711nm,

Quote:


http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=covet&x=21&y=9
Main Entry: cov·et
transitive verb
1 : to wish for earnestly : crave possession or enjoyment of : long for
...
2 : to desire (another's possession or attribute) inordinately or culpably <neither shalt thou covet ... [anything that is neighbor's] -- Deut 5:21 (Authorized Version)>
...
intransitive verb : to feel or cherish inordinate desire or craving for another's possession or attributes
...
synonym see DESIRE


Me:
You just described the whole Bush Administration! Where's all the money that shot down a rat hole? Where the frickin oil from Iraq to pay for both wars? Where's all that "cold cash" used to fight this war? The gold bars?

How much did Halliburton get for the last 8 years? Cheney? Rummy and Condi? Lastly, what did Bush's Brain get? They were a "professional" den of liars and thieves! Add mass murderer too, for the loss of our soldiers, not to mention the innocent men, women and children, who died because they were citizens of the WRONG country!

How much you want to bet that Black Water won't try a coup on the United States? They have a private air force, army and navy. An arsenal of arms, enough to annihilate several states. Yeah, we better be afraid of Black Water!

teenyboone
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 06:35 pm
Here's one source:


http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2817352/Allied-forces-nab-gold-bars.html
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 06:41 pm
@teenyboone,
teeny, It was really unnecessary to post a dictionary definition for words when used by ican or okie; they are both skilled in the English language, and they create their own interpretation for words. It's a special skill they have; where they learned it, I'll never know.
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 06:46 pm
Obama is skilled in the English language, but he creates his own definitions.
It's a special skill liberals have; where they learn it, I'll never know.
slkshock7
 
  0  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 07:32 pm
@Gala,
Sure she can do it.... Yes, she's misspoken (and been misinterpreted) and the left has and will continue to make hay of those gaffes. But so has Obama, Biden, and every other politician that's out there. Difference right now is that her polls are going up, while pretty much every other politician on the national scene is watching theirs go down.

gala wrote:
if she can have the discipline to actually appear like she knows something then her chances would improve.


At this point, it wouldn't seem that she needs to do anything, her polls are going in the right direction and momentum is building anyway. Of course remains to be seen if they keep moving upward...but foregoing any major gaffe or new scandal, she's on the right path. The mood of the country is changing rapidly against the Dems. If Obama can't turn things around she will be able to take a page from his book in 2012 i.e., lean heavily on her right-leaning base and ride to the presidency on a wave of discontent from those in the center.
teenyboone
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 07:40 pm
@H2O MAN,
Can you spell H-A-R-V-A-R-D?
teenyboone
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 07:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think I know; BUDWEISER U!
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 08:02 pm
@slkshock7,
slkshock7 wrote:

Sure she can do it.... Yes, she's misspoken (and been misinterpreted) and the left has and will continue to make hay of those gaffes. But so has Obama, Biden, and every other politician that's out there. Difference right now is that her polls are going up, while pretty much every other politician on the national scene is watching theirs go down.

gala wrote:
if she can have the discipline to actually appear like she knows something then her chances would improve.


At this point, it wouldn't seem that she needs to do anything, her polls are going in the right direction and momentum is building anyway. Of course remains to be seen if they keep moving upward...but foregoing any major gaffe or new scandal, she's on the right path. The mood of the country is changing rapidly against the Dems. If Obama can't turn things around she will be able to take a page from his book in 2012 i.e., lean heavily on her right-leaning base and ride to the presidency on a wave of discontent from those in the center.



This is merely wishful thinking on your part. Palin is popular right now, because of three things: first, she has no responsibilities and no duties. She quit her job so that she could make money off of the Republican party, which is working out quite well for her. She can say whatever she likes and be against anything or for anything, because there are no repercussions. In this respect she has become a Media personality, much akin to Limbaugh and O'reilly.

Second, there is a pervasive belief - and not just amongst Democrats - that she can't do the job. I don't have to tell you that debates between her and Obama would be an absolute slaughter. She would have to become essentially the antithesis of what she currently is in order to change that perception.

Third, in order to win the presidency, you must be able to run a cohesive and well-formed campaign. To date Palin has shown no ability to do this whatsoever; in fact, the emerging picture from her time with the McCain campaign shows us the exact opposite. I don't have any confidence that she will be able to turn that around by 2011.

In short, I don't understand what makes you think that she could win, at all. None of the factors which allowed Obama to gain the presidency are in play here. You say that the country is turning against the Dems, but there's really no evidence of that at this time, and certainly not to the extent which we turned against Bush and the Republicans. I guarantee that Obama is going to bring his team ready to play again come re-election time and you know that they are the real deal when it comes to running a campaign, his '08 campaign was a masterpiece of how to market a candidate.

What do you look at, and see Palin winning? What data points are informing your opinion? Or is it just a case of wishful thinking in a vacuum - there really isn't anyone else right now, the only viable candidate I can see coming along is Marc Rubio, and he's not ready yet.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 08:04 pm
@teenyboone,
teenyboone wrote:

Can you spell H-A-R-V-A-R-D?


Good for you, you spelled that word correctly.
 

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