H2O MAN
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 10:41 am
@Cycloptichorn,
ALL devout liberals fear Palin.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 10:43 am
@Gala,
I agree, but her shrewdness is limited to politics. There's nothing Americans or anybody else can do about the 29% who supports Palin/Bush; they're of like-minds and brain power.
Gala
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 10:48 am
@cicerone imposter,
I think she's shrewd in more than politics. And, charismatic, too.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 10:51 am
@Gala,
That would greatly depend on the eye of the beholder. Some guys think with their crotch.
Gala
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 12:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Her looks are enough to sway a certain portion of the population. When they first announced her for VP I thought, wow, Obama's sunk now...then she started talking and well, you know the rest.
spendius
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 12:27 pm
@Gala,
She talked okay to many as well Gala. She didn't put everybody off. Nowhere near. It was only those in the very centre of the soggy middle ground that took against her. Urbanites in the main I would guess.

Losing the election makes no difference to the principles she expoused.
Gala
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 12:34 pm
@spendius,
Moderate, not soggy. Some people think she's great. I don't.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 12:45 pm
@Gala,
Gala, I remember a study done some decades ago that proved that presidents have been elected on "looks" and nothing else. I guess most people would call it "charisma," but it's way beyond the ability to be president of the US that involves so much more. We also know that it requires more than "intelligence" to be a good president, but we also know that without intelligence, any president can sink our country into a great recession - or worse. Economics is not an easy subject, because it isn't science; it also takes good luck and guessing at the right actions to take at the right time.

It's way beyond Palin; she has contradicted herself on TARP and the stimulus plan. Everybody has 20/20 vision after time has elapsed, except for some conservatives who keep blaming Obama for the current loss of jobs.
Gala
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 01:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It is beyond Palin. If she gets elected it will make Bush Jr.'s 8 years seem mild compared to the havoc she'll cause. Although, comedians and editorial cartoonists across the world will bow down in gratitude.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2009 01:46 pm
@Gala,
Don't you find it fascinating that about 29% of Americans think Palin is what we need for our next president - even after Bush's eight years?
slkshock7
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 02:05 pm
Not sure how all this Palin talk came up in a thread on Obama, but let me try to bring the two together.

According to the latest Gallup Polls Obama's Favorable Approval Ratings are 47 favorable, 46 unfavorable.

According to the latest CNN Polls, Palin is at 46/46 favorable/unfavorable.

So Obama and Palin are just about equal...how interesting....
Gala
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 02:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think it's at 29% because no one better has come along, yet.
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Gala
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 02:24 pm
@slkshock7,
It'll be interesting to see how long she remains at that level. Currently, she's milking her book tour for all it's worth-- getting on and off the bus with her Downs Syndrome baby in her arms.

To be fair, Obama has used his family in the same way-- any and every moment is a photo opportunity when it comes to his kids. I have a feeling they'll be less and less of those shots now that he's gotten more entrenched in Afghanistan.
slkshock7
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 03:06 pm
@Gala,
Well....could be a bump, but certainly her trend is heading the right direction...Obama's on the other hand....
Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 03:13 pm
@slkshock7,
slkshock7 wrote:

Not sure how all this Palin talk came up in a thread on Obama, but let me try to bring the two together.

According to the latest Gallup Polls Obama's Favorable Approval Ratings are 47 favorable, 46 unfavorable.

According to the latest CNN Polls, Palin is at 46/46 favorable/unfavorable.

So Obama and Palin are just about equal...how interesting....



Favorability ratings aren't the same thing as approval ratings, or a statement that you would vote for someone. Palin consistently polls very low as a potential candidate - most of you who like her in theory know that she would go down in flames...

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 03:24 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Those are facts that Palin supporters can't see or care about.

Quote:
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The problem is, they're comparing apples to oranges. Both columns refer to polls that show Palin's favorability rating at around 43 percent"mere points away from Obama's job-approval rating of 49 percent. But as Media Matters has pointed out, favorability and job approval aren't the same thing. A politician's favorability rating is a general sense of the public's feeling about him. His job-approval rating is an evaluation of the work he's doing.

When you compare favorability ratings"apples to apples"Obama still leads Palin by a distance. The latest Gallup poll puts Obama's favorability 16 points ahead of Palin's, ABC puts his lead at 18 points, and CNN says it's 18 points higher. (Only Fox has the gap in single digits, with a seven-point spread.) It's impossible to compare their job-approval numbers because, well, Palin doesn't have a job.
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ican711nm
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 03:26 pm
Quote:
HARDEST HIT BY OBAMACARE

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

Published in the New York Post on November 30, 2009.


The "health-care reform" bills in Congress would hit 39 states hard with new expenses, by raising Medicaid eligibility above the cur rent income cutoffs.

The only states that won't have to raise eligibility because of the Senate bill are Connecticut, Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Vermont and Wisconsin (plus the District of Columbia). And the House bill would force even Massachusetts and Vermont to pay more.

Hardest hit would be Texas ($2,750 million a year in extra state spending under the Senate bill), Pennsylvania ($1,450 million), California ($1,428 million) and Florida ($909 million). Who knows if Florida could avoid imposing an income tax if it has to meet so high an unfunded mandate?

The required increases in state spending are likely to be quite high in some states whose senators are swing votes on ObamaCare:

* In Arkansas, home to swing Sens. Mark Pryor and Blanche Lincoln, the annual increased state spending would come to $402 million (not counting the federal share) -- about a 10 percent increase in the state budget, which is now $4 billion a year.

* In Louisiana, whose Sen. Marie Landrieu sold her vote on a key procedural motion in return for more Medicaid funding, the increase would come to $432 million (a 5 percent hike in state spending) -- more than wiping out the extra funds she got in return for her vote.

* In Sen. Evan Bayh's Indiana, spending would go up by $586 million a year, a rise of 4 percent.

* In Sen. Ben Nelson's Nebraska, the added state spending would be $81 million a year, a 2 percent increase.

The Sebate ObamaCare bill would cost North Dakota, home of Sens. Kent Conrad and Byron Dorgan, $14 million. South Dakota, represented by Sen. Tim Johnson, would have to boost Medicaid spending by $33 million.

The Medicaid-expansion provisions of the Senate bill are complex. In the first year of the program (2013), states must enroll anyone who earns less than 133 percent of the poverty level in their programs. For a family of four, the national average poverty level in 2009 is $22,000 a year. So any family that size that makes less than $29,000 would be eligible for Medicaid.

Many states, particularly in the South, actually have Medicaid cutoffs below the poverty level. Arkansas, for example, cuts off its Medicaid eligibility at only 17 percent of poverty level, and in Louisiana it goes up to only 26 percent. For these states, the spending increase required by the new bill is huge.

For the first three years of the program (2013-15) the federal government would pay for all of the costs of the Medicaid expansion. But, starting in the fourth year of operation -- 2016 -- the average state would be obliged to pay 10 percent of the extra cost.

For Democrat governors, this provision means sudden death. Particularly in states with limited Medicaid coverage, it would require huge tax increases.
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slkshock7
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 03:40 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclo wrote:
Favorability ratings aren't the same thing as approval ratings, or a statement that you would vote for someone. Palin consistently polls very low as a potential candidate - most of you who like her in theory know that she would go down in flames...


Good point...but at this point four years ago, Obama was nothing more than the junior senator from Ohio that happened to have given a good speech at the DNC convention in 2004. Palin has lots of time to turn around her electability stats...
Gala
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 03:41 pm
@slkshock7,
At this early stage it doesn't mean much that Pailin's rising and Obama's falling.
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Gala
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2009 03:56 pm
@slkshock7,
Quote:
Palin has lots of time to turn around her electability stats...

but can she do it? it would mean she'd have to have the discipline to actually listen to advisors-- she'd have to learn some history, geography, read some books and magazines, newspapers , become knowlegable about the world. so far, she's resisted all of it. if she can have the discipline to actually appear like she knows something then her chances would improve.
 

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