Obama '08?

DrewDad wrote:

Who said anything about stealing? That's you putting words in Obama's mouth, out of your fear.

"There's a black man! He's gonna take my money!"

lulz

When are you folks going to give up this tired "racisim" crock?

Why do you continue to repeat a lie told by the RW about the school buses MM?

http://mediamatters.org/research/200509120005

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/buses.asp

Perhaps the failure is in trying to attach blame where it can't be laid.

parados wrote:

Why do you continue to repeat a lie told by the RW about the school buses MM?

http://mediamatters.org/research/200509120005

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/buses.asp

Perhaps the failure is in trying to attach blame where it can't be laid.

Oh good grief, Parados here to trot out old lib standby, Media Matters, which almost always defends libral or Democrats. Get serious, Parados, the school bus thing is no way a lie, he could have used the buses if he wanted to.

Nothing wrong with it unless the wealth being spread around already belongs to someone.

Capitalism spreads the wealth, but it doesn't insist that all the shares be equal, irrespective of the level of individual contribution in creating that wealth.

okie wrote:

parados wrote:

Why do you continue to repeat a lie told by the RW about the school buses MM?

http://mediamatters.org/research/200509120005

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/buses.asp

Perhaps the failure is in trying to attach blame where it can't be laid.

Oh good grief, Parados here to trot out old lib standby, Media Matters, which almost always defends libral or Democrats. Get serious, Parados, the school bus thing is no way a lie, he could have used the buses if he wanted to.

You can't point out lies that Media Matters is spouting, Okie; you just don't like when they point out bad things your team is doing.

And what about Snopes? Surely you aren't claiming that they are biased towards the Dems as well...

Cycloptichorn

You'd think that a city the size of NO would have an evacuation plan that doesn't rely on the Federal Govt to bail them out just in case a storm hits. I mean really, a lot of the city lies below sea level and they didn't have a good evacuation plan? And that's Bush's fault?

Did Bush Keep Katrina Promises?
President Made Promises to Nation from New Orleans' Jackson Square After the Storm
By JESSICA YELLIN

WASHINGTON, Aug. 27, 2006 "

Eighteen days after hurricane Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast, President Bush stood before the nation from Jackson Square in New Orleans and promised, "We will do what it takes, we will stay as long as it takes, to help citizens rebuild their communities and their lives."

A year later, tens of thousands of people are still waiting for help.

President Bush pledged federal assistance in three key areas -- emergency response, rebuilding communities and strengthening New Orleans' levees.

In the first area, after a slow start, he largely delivered. The federal government moved most evacuees out of shelters within six weeks, helped restore oil refineries and the port of New Orleans within months, and cleared more than a million cubic yards of debris scattered across the Gulf States.

It's in rebuilding that many critics say the president's promises have fallen short.

"We want evacuees to come home," Bush told the nation in his speech from Jackson Square on Sept. 15, 2005.

Of the more than 1.8 million people forced to flee the area, only slightly more than half have returned.

Up to 10,000 people are waiting for promised trailers from FEMA: 116,000 trailers have been delivered, but local officials report in many instances they don't have water, or electricity or even keys to the doors.

And just last week, the government finally began to distribute grant money for home rebuilding. Funding had been bogged down in the federal bureaucracy for nearly a year.

In New Orleans, large parts of the city are still without reliable electricity and drinking water, and the crime rate is skyrocketing -- so much so that the national guard has been called in.

"Protecting a city that sits lower than the water around it is not easy," Bush noted in his Jackson Square speech.

That, perhaps, is the biggest obstacle holding back New Orleans' recovery.

All parties, from the president down, are waiting on a final plan for the redesign of the levee system, but a study isn't even due to be released until December 2007.

"I made a commitment that we would & help the people there recover," Bush said in an Aug. 21 press conference. "I also want the people down there to understand that it's going to take a while to recover."

Tied to the restoration of the Gulf Coast is, perhaps, the president's credibility. Critics and Gulf residents alike wait to see if the president -- who sells himself as man of his word -- will deliver on the promises he's made.

President Bush vowed in his September 15, 2005, address "to rebuild this devastated city and the rest of the Gulf Coast with 'one of the largest reconstruction efforts the world has ever seen.'"

There's not much anybody could have done in NO, but it was the Army Corp of Engineer's responsibility to ensure the dams were capable of preventing flooding as stated in the 1965 law. Another point about Bush is that he spoke from Jackson Square immediately after the flooding, and promised the "biggest reconstruction project our country has ever seen" in NO. Never happened.

“In a ruling that could leave the government open to billions of dollars in claims from Hurricane Katrina victims,” a federal judge said yesterday “that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers had displayed ‘gross negligence’ in failing to maintain a navigation channel " resulting in levee breaches that flooded large swaths of greater New Orleans.”

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You'd think that a city the size of NO would have an evacuation plan that doesn't rely on the Federal Govt to bail them out just in case a storm hits. I mean really, a lot of the city lies below sea level and they didn't have a good evacuation plan? And that's Bush's fault?

I for one don't blame Bush for what happened in NO, at all; what the hell could he have done? Not much.

However, his post-Katrina response was a complete failure. Active engagement with the region could have produced tremendous results - and political capital for Bush and the Republicans. Instead, he basically ignored the place.

Cycloptichorn

Blame the bureaucracy of our government. The money got tied up in red tape all over Capitol Hill. Was Bush supposed to rent a backhoe and go dig out the residents of NO himself?

This same bureaucratic nightmare you guys want in charge of health care... It amazes me every time someone says they support larger governmental roles in the US. It's like you are impervious to the colossal **** ups that they have been.

When you say leadership, do you mean the executive branch?

You'd think that a city the size of NO would have an evacuation plan that doesn't rely on the Federal Govt to bail them out just in case a storm hits.

What has Obama and the Democratic Congress done about New Orleans? You know, the party that has held a strong majority since 2006, just 1 year after Katrina?

I think Obama had a layover there once this past year.

What has Obama and the Democratic Congress done about New Orleans? You know, the party that has held a strong majority since 2006, just 1 year after Katrina?

I think Obama had a layover there once this past year.

McGentrix wrote:

What has Obama and the Democratic Congress done about New Orleans? You know, the party that has held a strong majority since 2006, just 1 year after Katrina?

I think Obama had a layover there once this past year.

Katrina - Aug 23, 2005
Democrats take control of Congress Jan 4, 2007.

So.. let's see.. Bush couldn't do anything in 16 months with a GOP congress so it is the Dem's fault?

Then Bush didn't do anything in the 2 years after that so let's bring up Obama....

Why should he? The media matters article doesn't address his point. I merely shows that some commentators were wrong about the actual number of buses that weren't used. Kind of reinforces his point actually.

Snopes does not refute that the buses were not used either.

You'd think that a city the size of NO would have an evacuation plan that doesn't rely on the Federal Govt to bail them out just in case a storm hits. I mean really, a lot of the city lies below sea level and they didn't have a good evacuation plan? And that's Bush's fault?

What has Obama and the Democratic Congress done about New Orleans? You know, the party that has held a strong majority since 2006, just 1 year after Katrina?

I think Obama had a layover there once this past year.