Obama '08?

Obviously you are cracking wise, but spreading the wealth already owned by some is redistribution of wealth.

What Alaska did with the state's oil resource is spreading the wealth, but it contemplated that the folks who were most spending their time and money to exploite the resource got the biggest share of the wealth.

If a lode of gold runs under the community owned property of my town, it's all well and good to say that all members of the community own the gold, but if I am the only one who is willing to spend my money and time to extract the gold and actually turn it into wealth, why shouldn't my share be much greater than that of the rest of my neighbors?

On the other hand if everyone in the town is willing to pay an equal share of the extraction costs (through taxes) than they should all receive equal shares of the wealth.

If a lode of gold runs under land I own and I am willing to spend the time and money to extract it and turn it into wealth, why should I share that wealth with any of my neighbors?

In all likelihood, my efforts to extract the gold are going to require me to purchase the goods and services of other members of my community and in this way I am spreading "the wealth."

Once I have extracted the gold and obtain the wealth I will spend some of it on goods and services that suit me and my gold mine, and again I will be spreading the wealth.

The notion though that because I have accumulated wealth I have an obligation to share it with members of my community who did not in any way contribute to its development may or may not meet a precise definition of communism, but it's damned close.

If you believe in socialism or communisim, admit it. Redistribution of wealth is not some sort of benign and rational aspect of capitalism. If you don't want to call yourself a socialist or communist, then don't , but don't expect anyone with any sense to buy the idea, implied by your wisecrack, that resdistribution of wealth is nothing like communisim.

The old Wal-mart canard: The evil robber barons are exploiting their poor workers!

If you have evidence that Wal-mart employees have been shanghaied from a local saloon or live somewhere where Wal-mart is the only employer, and they are prohibited from moving somewhere else, perhaps your argument might have credibility.

When A Wal-mart comes into a community the number of employment applications they receive far, far exceeds the number of jobs they need to fill.

Wal-mart employees are not shackled once employed. They can quit whenever they want for whatever reason motivates them.

There are a plethora of federal and state employment laws that are designed to prevent worker exploitation. When it comes to Wal-mart, which ones don't work, and which ones should be added?

Why is Wal-mart such a retail giant?

Because Republicans have jiggered the rules to make them so?

Because Wal-mart silences, with prejudice, anyone who dare to challange them?

The answer is very simple: They meet the needs of millions of American consumers. They have a wide variety of products at discount prices.

The very people who you seem to want to protect are the people who have made Wal-mart a retail giant.

Liberal snobs would never shop at Wal-mart irrespective of whether or not there was a reason to claim they exploited their workers, because they don't want to rub elbows with the people they so passionately claim to care for.

How are they fixing prices?

Price fixing is a problem when a company artificially sustains a price above what a competitive market would produce. Low price Wal-mart is doing that?

All well and good to accuse them of such a practice but one would expect that you could at least offer a layman's explanation of how they're doing their evil.

Hey G.O.D., if you find me practising what I have criticized here, by all means, please bring it to my attention. I can walk on water, but I'm not perfect.

BTW bro, you are one of the Gang leaders.

Gabby Hayes says you're a hypocrite.

Wow, what a surprise Gabby.

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to sleep tonight.

Again, if and when I participate in the Gang behavior I've criticized, point it out.

Hey, here's an idea Gabby: Each time I see you do it I will post a response with nothing more than "GB" (gang behavior), and whenever you see me do it you do the same.

GB

GB

When are you folks going to give up this tired "racisim" crock?

The people who think Obama is stealing their money don't make any association between this claim and black stereotypes.

This is such a cheap and intellectually vacuous argument.

Now, if you're going to criticize the conservative argument that Obama loves watermelon more than America, maybe you have a point.

During a round of network television interviews conducted during Obama's visit to China, the president was asked about those who find it offensive that Mohammed will receive all the rights normally accorded to U.S. citizens when they are charged with a crime.
"I don't think it will be offensive at all when he's convicted and when the death penalty is applied to him," Obama told NBC's Chuck Todd.

source: Politico

Want to take bets that this comment will be used by KSM's lawyers to argue that their client can't get a fair civilian trial?

PS: Take a look back at what happened when Nixon commented on Charles Manson

Finn, do you really want to go where you're heading?

Do you mean like the adjustments they made on Medicare? The feds added people onto Medicare who didn't even pay into the system such as the handicapped and legal immigrants. Recent reports have also shown that Medicare paid over $46 billion on fraudulent claims; not a good record in controlling cost. All this while this same government failed to increase taxes or adjust the age for beneficiaries, and the trust fund continues to shrink at a time with the baby-boomers will increase demand - all while the tax base continues to shrink.

It may make sense to you, but I don't see the numbers adding thirty million more beneficiaries possible without some math gimmicks It just doesn't jive when the job base and taxpayers continues to drop.

I wouldn't take any gold as investment.

Have at it dys.

If I've been or will be guilty of the behavior I'm criticizing, point it out.

If you're right, I will admit my guilt.

Whether or not I am a hypocrite doesn't excuse your behavior - that I found two examples of within 3 "pages" of one thread.

BTW Dys
Out of curiosityand the principle of know thine enemy, I checked out your A2K profile and got a look at a much larger version of your icon.

It called to mind Arnold in Predator

http://wavs.unclebubby.com/wav/MOVIES/Predator/uglymf.wav

Teeny,
I have one question for you.

You are still blaming Bush for the federal response (or lack of one) to Katrina.
You say it is Bush's fault that people didnt get out of NO in time.

Tell me, why were all of the city busses and city school busses left parked?
Why didnt the mayor order them used to evacuate people?
That is his job, and that was his failure, not Bush.

You might say that our paper currency is fiat money. Its value is dubious and likely to decrease. Gold has value in itself and is a good backup investment in case things go to hell. We might be becoming an Argentina, in which case you would love any gold you might have.

Why do you continue to repeat a lie told by the RW about the school buses MM?

http://mediamatters.org/research/200509120005

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/buses.asp

Perhaps the failure is in trying to attach blame where it can't be laid.

Those are a whole bunch of "ifs" that has never been proven from actual experience in this country; if gold prices drops by 25%, what have you gained?

That possibility is as good as gold going up another 25%. Do you know how long it'll take to make up that kind of loss in this economy?

Some of the wealthiest amongst us loss billions in the market during the past year, and many who used to be wealthy have lost their mansions and yachts.

Our investment portfolio is a mix between equities and bonds; our loss last year was half of the total market performance. Our gain this year is in six figures. Most people working on this planet full time don't earn what we've gained in our investments this year. I've just taken out over 40% of my gain, and will have money in my pocket - and to help our son buy a home next year. When do you plan to change your gold for US dollars - if ever? How much of a gain would you realize from your sale of gold?

The stock market has outperformed gold in all the history of investing - for the long term. I'll stick with stocks and bonds.

when it comes to investments, I almost never agree with C.I. however sometimes I do.

Finn, I have come to the conclusion that some people simply cannot honestly debate the merits of an issue, so they use personal insults. I have many of those on ignore now, and it has made my life much more pleasant. Now, I thought teeny was somewhat reasonable, and I have posted evidence that I think is virtually irrefutable, and it is really just common sense if you read the mission statement of FEMA, that it was not the responibility of FEMA to have an emergency plan in place or to use it, such as ordering the evacuation of New Orleans ahead of a disaster. That was clearly the responsibility of state and local authorities, such as the governor and mayor were directly responsible. I remember how frustrating it was during that event to watch and listen to the main stream media and hear their total lack of understanding and proper reporting of how it works. I won't say that FEMA is a perfect bureaucracy, it isn't, but to blame Katrina totally on Bush is so totally assinine, and just plain wrong, it is incredible that people cannot reason out an issue as plain as day as this. Fact is, and I have pointed this out more than once, it was Bush that finally had to call up the governor and tell her she better start evacuation of New Orleans. If it had not been for Bush, there would have been far higher loss of life.

The above subject is but one example of the incoherence of liberal thinking here on this forum. I don't care, as I am quite comfortable with what the facts tell us about issues, I cannot control what others think, but I can post here what I think is simple common sense and logic. I can't help it if some people simply can't handle it.