McGentrix
 
  0  
Mon 16 Nov, 2009 03:14 pm
Cycloptichorn
 
  4  
Mon 16 Nov, 2009 04:09 pm
@McGentrix,
What a bunch of idiots you guys are, for caring about such stupid things. I mean, c'mon - it's pathetic that you are forced to scrape the bottom of the barrel like this in order to come up with something to poke Obama about.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
  0  
Mon 16 Nov, 2009 06:05 pm
Quote:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124253/Say-Health-Coverage-Not-Gov-Responsibility.aspx
November 13, 2009
More in U.S. Say Health Coverage Is Not Gov’t. ResponsibilityMarks significant shift from the attitudes of the past decadeby Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- More Americans now say it is not the federal government's responsibility to make sure all Americans have healthcare coverage (50%) than say it is (47%). This is a first since Gallup began tracking this question, and a significant shift from as recently as three years ago, when two-thirds said ensuring healthcare coverage was the government's responsibility.



Gallup has asked this question each November since 2001 as part of the Gallup Poll Social Series, and most recently in its Nov. 5-8 Health and Healthcare survey. There have been some fluctuations from year to year, but this year marks the first time in the history of this trend that less than half of Americans say ensuring healthcare coverage for all is the federal government's responsibility.

"Both Republicans and Democrats since 2006 have become less likely to choose the 'government responsibility' option, though Democrats' views have remained steady over the past year while Republicans' support has declined further."The high point for the "government responsibility" viewpoint occurred in 2006, when 69% of Americans agreed. In 2008, this percentage fell to 54%, its previous low reading. This year, in the midst of robust debate on a potentially imminent healthcare reform law, the percentage of Americans agreeing that it is the government's responsibility to make sure everyone has health insurance has fallen even further, by seven points, to 47%. Half of Americans now say this is not the government's responsibility.

The reason behind this shift is unknown. Certainly the federal government's role in the nation's healthcare system has been widely and vigorously debated over the last several months, including much focus on the "public option." These data suggest that one result of the debate has been a net decrease in Americans' agreement that ensuring all Americans have healthcare coverage is an appropriate role for the federal government ....

The Constitution's Amendment X makes it clear that since the federal government has not been explicitly or logically implicitly granted the power to provide healthcare insurance, it is illegal for the federal government to provide healthcare insurance

teenyboone
 
  1  
Mon 16 Nov, 2009 06:21 pm
@ican711nm,
WTF, are you talking about? What was the governments responsibility regarding the aftermath of Katrina? To let the City drown? To let the people at the Super Dome and Convention Center starve? Why did it take 5 days for the National Guard to get there? Why was Black Water thugs, guarding the Red Cross and The Salvation Army? Why, if all you have are the clothes on your back, could my 2 sisters, both retired professionals, get no help except from Catholic Charities?

If I ever give a nickle to the Red Cross or Salvation Army, I hope someone cut my damned hands OFF! Yes, I am a Native New Orleanian and it was 3 months before my family could get back into the City. They were treated like scum by those two agencies and they weren't the only ones. That from your know-nothing friend, Bush 43!
teenyboone
 
  1  
Mon 16 Nov, 2009 06:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
As long as you're here, I'll continue to hang out here!
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 16 Nov, 2009 06:26 pm
@teenyboone,
What was more galling to me was the simple fact that GWBush stood at Jackson Square after the flood and made a promise on tv to the nation that the government was going to provide "the biggest reconstruction project our country has ever seen."

Just another Bush lie!

Those yo-yo's like ican and okie will never digest those facts.
okie
 
  -1  
Mon 16 Nov, 2009 08:02 pm
@teenyboone,
The people in New Orleans were warned days in advance, but the mayor and the governor did nothing, absolutely nothing. It was their responsibility, not FEMA or the president. In fact the president saved alot of lives by finally calling the stupid governor and told her to get busy and evacuate the city, he did that because she and the mayor were too stupid to do their jobs. And then you still had people defy the help and made the decision to stay even when the prediction was clear. Katrina and its effects lie right at the feet of the Democrats, a Democrat governor and a Democrat Mayor, both too stupid to see the handwriting on the wall. Thanks to Bush or alot more people would have died.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 16 Nov, 2009 08:19 pm
@okie,
President Bush still stood on Jackson Square after the floods and promised federal reconstruction of New Orleans.

You're an idiot who doesn't remember history or facts.
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Tue 17 Nov, 2009 03:38 am
This is interesting, and I cant help but wonder how many other times it has happened and not been caught.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jobs-saved-created-congressional-districts-exist/story?id=9097853

Quote:
Here's a stimulus success story: In Arizona's 15th congressional district, 30 jobs have been saved or created with just $761,420 in federal stimulus spending. At least that's what the Web site set up by the Obama administration to track the $787 billion stimulus says.

There's one problem, though: There is no 15th congressional district in Arizona; the state has only eight districts.
Advocate
 
  1  
Tue 17 Nov, 2009 09:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

What was more galling to me was the simple fact that GWBush stood at Jackson Square after the flood and made a promise on tv to the nation that the government was going to provide "the biggest reconstruction project our country has ever seen."

Just another Bush lie!

Those yo-yo's like ican and okie will never digest those facts.


It made me feel good when, at the height of the economic crisis, Bush flew over Wall Street at 10,000 feet looking down with a very concerned expression.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 17 Nov, 2009 10:44 am
@mysteryman,
mm, So the big point you're making is that there's no 15th district in AZ? What if that's the only typo or misinformation?

You ever try to track $787 billion dollars in anything you've done? How about $787 million?

I agree that our government is sloppy with tax dollars, but that's not limited to a democratic administrations; Bush lost track of billions in Iraq. Do you remember that?
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teenyboone
 
  1  
Tue 17 Nov, 2009 03:57 pm
@okie,
Boy, are you stupid or what? First of all, my family left Thursday before the storm hit landfall. They took one 4X4 and enough clothes for 3 days including important paper like insurance policies, etc. One sister is a retired insurance adjuster, (picture that) and the other a retired special education teacher and student counselor. They both worked over 35 years in their positions. After the levees broke, they couldn't get back into the City from Houston, so they motored to Florida where they had friends. They were there 3 months!

Why do you think the people who stayed are stupid? This is a City over 300 years old. Older than the United States, predominantly Roman Catholic and steeped in American/French/Spanish history; America purchasing Louisiana in 1803. Do some research before you insert your foot in your mouth!

Louisiana is a RED state, even though the majority of New Orleanians voted against Bush, so with the Corp of Engineers errant for over 40 years when the levees broke in 1965 during Hurricane Betsy, NEVER repaired the levees properly even though they were funded to do so. THAT's where the fault lies. Bush and the Corp of Engineers! Over 500 lives were lost during Betsy. I managed to live through Hurricane Camille in 1969, too. Worse than Katrina, but no flooding. So Bush figured, "let Chocolate City DROWN"!

The City usually is back in order within 3 months, but a city-wide flood, the first since 1927, you blame on the citizens? How do you think New Orleans has survived over the centuries? If you didn't grow up there, know the different cultures from Europe still practiced there to this day, please keep that dumb mouth of yours, SHUT!
ican711nm
 
  1  
Tue 17 Nov, 2009 04:44 pm
@teenyboone,
teenyboone wrote:
... the Corp of Engineers errant for over 40 years when the levees broke in 1965 during Hurricane Betsy, NEVER repaired the levees properly even though they were funded to do so. THAT's where the fault lies. Bush and the Corp of Engineers!

The fault lies with the:
(1) The Corp of Engineers;
(2) The governors of the State of Louisiana since 1965;
(3) The mayors of New Orleans since 1965;
(4) President Johnson (1963-1969);
(5) President Nixon (1969-1974);
(6) President Ford (1974-1977);
(7) President Carter (1977-1981);
(8) President Reagan (1981-1989);
(9) President Bush I (1989-1993);
(10) President Clinton (1993-2001);
(11) President Bush II. (2001-2009).
teenyboone
 
  1  
Tue 17 Nov, 2009 06:35 pm
@ican711nm,
You said:

The fault lies with the:
(1) The Corp of Engineers;
(2) The governors of the State of Louisiana since 1965;
(3) The mayors of New Orleans since 1965;
(4) President Johnson (1963-1969);
(5) President Nixon (1969-1974);
(6) President Ford (1974-1977);
(7) President Carter (1977-1981);
(8) President Reagan (1981-1989);
(9) President Bush I (1989-1993);
(10) President Clinton (1993-2001);
(11) President Bush II. (2001-2009).

So tell me, Which one? You can't blame the Governors or the Mayors in the event of a natural disaster. Go back and read where the Mayor told the people of New Orleans to evacuate. Those too poor to leave were told to go to the Super Dome or the Convention Center, as it sits on high ground.
Even if the City hadn't flooded, it's the Governor who asks the Federal Government to declare their state, a natural disaster. Where were the Feds?
5 days later, your man Bush "flew" over while citizens drowned, were shot in the back by Black Water Thugs and false rumors of rape occurring were just that, rumors.

Racism, in all of its' vilest manifestations, reared it's ugly head and an inept Commander in Chief sent a horse trainer, his FEMA Chief, "Brownie" to Mississippi and told him what "a helluva job" he was doing, which was NOTHING! You need to watch a copy of "When the Levees Broke", by Spike Lee. If you have a heart, it will tear you apart, because Black and white people, left in N.O., went through HELL!
okie
 
  0  
Tue 17 Nov, 2009 06:35 pm
@teenyboone,
teeny, ican lays out the facts, the fault for not fixing the levees goes alot further back than Bush. If anything, it points out the failures of federal bureaucracies, which is a huge reason why I oppose federalizing more of our health care. But I think one thing is pretty clear about Katrina. The purpose of FEMA is not evacuations from disasters. Preparing for and evacuation from disasters like Katrina fall directly under the responsibility of state and local authorities, and that is the Democratic governor and the major. And it is my understanding that indeed Bush had to call the governor finally and tell her to evacuate the city, otherwise alot more people would have died. Check it out and let me know what you find out, teeny. And the accusation of Bush letting a chocolate city drown, that is over the top, particularly since the guy that primarily failed the city was the mayor himself, and wasn't Nagin chocolate himself? teeny, your comments are always laced with racist assumptions, which are mostly wrong, and this time they clearly were. You need to thank Bush for saving lives in this case.
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okie
 
  0  
Tue 17 Nov, 2009 06:41 pm
@teenyboone,
teenyboone wrote:

Boy, are you stupid or what? First of all, my family left Thursday before the storm hit landfall. They took one 4X4 and enough clothes for 3 days including important paper like insurance policies, etc. One sister is a retired insurance adjuster, (picture that) and the other a retired special education teacher and student counselor. They both worked over 35 years in their positions. After the levees broke, they couldn't get back into the City from Houston, so they motored to Florida where they had friends. They were there 3 months!

By the way, good job by your family, it sounds like they made good decisions, good for them, and it sounds like good responsible people. By the way, a member of my family hired a black guy from New Orleans and he is pleased as punch with his job and glad to have gotten out of New Orleans. I don't think he and family are going back.

By the way, I would have hoped you would not swallow the racist garbage put out by Spike Lee?
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ican711nm
 
  0  
Tue 17 Nov, 2009 09:13 pm
@teenyboone,
You said, "... the Corp of Engineers errant for over 40 years when the levees broke in 1965 during Hurricane Betsy, NEVER repaired the levees properly even though they were funded to do so. THAT's where the fault lies. Bush and the Corp of Engineers!"

I responded by pointing out that the fault is the failure to timely "repair the levees properly," and the fault for that lies with:
(1) The Corp of Engineers;
(2) The governors of the State of Louisiana since 1965;
(3) The mayors of New Orleans since 1965;
(4) AND,
the six presidents since 1965 that preceded Bush, plus Bush himself.

Yes, because of that fault and the repeated failures to properly correct it in a timely manner, "Black and white people, left in N.O., went through HELL!"

teenyboone
 
  1  
Wed 18 Nov, 2009 07:01 am
@ican711nm,
The Mayors and Governors are NOT responsible for the maintenance of the levees or the rivers and lake surrounding New Orleans. It is the Federal Government. After the flood of 1927, the federal government took that responsibility from local and state government. If you only do one thing, look that up. It's how the Tennessee Valley Authority got started. From Maine to California, it the responsibility of the Corp. of Engineers duty to maintain and protect US citizens from the catastrophe we saw in 2005.

New Orleans sustained minimal damage from the hurricane which hit Mississippi harder. It was when the levees broke that the schitt, literally hit the fan! It was then, that the Nation found out that Bush GAVE this most important safeguard to a "buddy" who had NO experience or expertise in National Safety or National disasters. My dog could have done a better job! This proved that patronage jobs given to unprofessionals cause more than destruction and loss of human lives.

What don't you understand? Do you agree that Brownie effed up? Why were the Louisiana National Guard in Iraq instead of Louisiana? Was Bush and the Dod, run by Rumsfeld, innocent? Rummy, a desk Air Force Reservist, running the Department of Defense! That's like asking "Sad Sack" to do it!
If you don't know who Sad Sack is, google him. Sad Sack was a cartoon character based on a GI, that was added to the ranks of the Army during a time of war, but was ill suited to be there. Today, SS would be a conscientious objector, fit only for public service, if that!

Boy, if you think that Louisiana officials are to blame, have I got a bridge to sell YOU!
okie
 
  0  
Wed 18 Nov, 2009 10:10 am
@teenyboone,
teenyboone wrote:

The Mayors and Governors are NOT responsible for the maintenance of the levees or the rivers and lake surrounding New Orleans. It is the Federal Government. After the flood of 1927, the federal government took that responsibility from local and state government. If you only do one thing, look that up. It's how the Tennessee Valley Authority got started. From Maine to California, it the responsibility of the Corp. of Engineers duty to maintain and protect US citizens from the catastrophe we saw in 2005.

New Orleans sustained minimal damage from the hurricane which hit Mississippi harder. It was when the levees broke that the schitt, literally hit the fan! It was then, that the Nation found out that Bush GAVE this most important safeguard to a "buddy" who had NO experience or expertise in National Safety or National disasters. My dog could have done a better job! This proved that patronage jobs given to unprofessionals cause more than destruction and loss of human lives.

What don't you understand? Do you agree that Brownie effed up? Why were the Louisiana National Guard in Iraq instead of Louisiana? Was Bush and the Dod, run by Rumsfeld, innocent? Rummy, a desk Air Force Reservist, running the Department of Defense! That's like asking "Sad Sack" to do it!
If you don't know who Sad Sack is, google him. Sad Sack was a cartoon character based on a GI, that was added to the ranks of the Army during a time of war, but was ill suited to be there. Today, SS would be a conscientious objector, fit only for public service, if that!

Boy, if you think that Louisiana officials are to blame, have I got a bridge to sell YOU!

Again, teeny, you are just wrong. You need to read up on who is responsible. First of all, now get this straight, FEMA and Brownee as you call him, are not responsible for local evacuation orders due to predicted disasters, that is clearly under the jurisdiction and responsibility of state and local governments. I have told you this before but you simply ignore this fact as if it has no bearing on Katrina and you continue to blame your favorite whipping boys, Bush and Brownee as you call him. It was the mayor and governor that did not enact their own emergency evacuation plans in a timely manner. I believe they had plans, but they may have been flawed, but if they had merely had the smarts to make good decisions, it would have helped.

Here is what FEMA is now charged to do, as directed by Congress, in the following. As I have told you more than once, and what should be common knowledge but was not accurately reported by the mainstream media, FEMA does try to encourage and assist state and local governments formulate and carry out their responsibilities of preventing and warning, and evacuating from disasters, but it is clear that the primary responsibility of FEMA is to provide federal relief after the disaster has happened and after the president and Congress has declared an event is a disaster.

"It is the intent of the Congress, by this Act, to provide an orderly and continuing
means of assistance by the Federal Government to State and local governments in
carrying out their responsibilities
to alleviate the suffering and damage
which result
from such disasters by -
(1) revising and broadening the scope of existing disaster relief programs;
(2) encouraging the development of comprehensive disaster preparedness and
assistance plans, programs, capabilities, and organizations by the States and
by local governments;
(3) achieving greater coordination and responsiveness of disaster preparedness
and relief programs;
(4) encouraging individuals, States, and local governments to protect
themselves by obtaining insurance coverage to supplement or replace
governmental assistance;
(5) encouraging hazard mitigation measures to reduce losses from disasters,
including development of land use and construction regulations; and
(6) providing Federal assistance programs for both public and private losses
sustained in disasters"


http://www.fema.gov/pdf/about/stafford_act.pdf

Now, point number two, who is to blame for not fixing the levees properly? Do not use Spike Lee for your source of information. You cannot blame Bush solely for this, that is another case of your preconceived notions to blame Bush for anything and everything. Here is a pretty good summary that I think is close to accurate from this website, which indicates it was the Corps of Engineers, and although the various COE officials try to cover their own behinds in regard to this, it is also evident that several administrations dropped the ball, and it is also very evident that the local officials did not do their part to cooperate with expediting the fixing of them properly. So again, besides the Corps of Engineers, it is local officials and Congresses, mostly Democratically controlled, that you need to blame. So quit believing the totally ridiculous claims of somebody like Spike Lee to get your information, teeny, I would hope you would be more intelligent than that.

"We have done the best things we could have done. We live here," spokeswoman Susan J. Jackson said. During four decades of levee-building in New Orleans, Jackson said, the agency frequently found its hands tied because of restrictions imposed by budgets, by Congress or by local governments that often failed to meet financial responsibilities to help build and maintain the levees. Jackson added: "It was a question of who was going to pay, and how much."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/24/AR2006032401819.html
okie
 
  0  
Wed 18 Nov, 2009 10:23 am
Rasmussen showing Obama strongly approve down to the previously all time low of 26%, and the strongly approve / disapprove number is now -14 again, which I think matches a previous all time low, I'm not sure about that number's previous low but I do recall at least one instance of -14. What is driving this, Rasmussen points out that only 29% agree with trying the terrorists in New York, so in my opinion that is not helping, plus the ongoing economic failures of his administration, waffling and wavering on Afghanistan, and a whole host of other issues being very very poorly handled.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/november_2009/obama_approval_index_november_18_2009/265502-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_november_18_2009.jpg

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
 

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