Obama '08?

@okie,

I give up!

@okie,

A Biased report if there was ever was one! Rasmussen is a professional "tea-bagger"!

@teenyboone,

okie only believes in posting biased reports from Rass and Fox news, because those are the only places that supports his beliefs. He doesn't understand how ignorant that makes him, because he fails to see reality for what they are: That's okie.

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@teenyboone,

teenyboone wrote:

I give up!

teeny, I hope you have not given up without considering the facts of what I have posted, which I believe clearly states the facts about FEMA and who dropped the ball with Katrina. I believe the problem is not entirely what you believe, but a huge part of the problem has been the mainstream media that has reported wrongly and has insinuated and propagated alot of myths about exactly what happened and who was responsible. I remember the events of Katrina, and I clearly remember how frustrating it was to watch and listen to the purely partisan and total crap put out by the mainstream media. It is really a sad situation when so called reporters and journalists cannot have the intelligence and honesty to accurately research and report the facts on these things, but instead the mainstream media had a full speed ahead agenda of destroying Bush, thats all it was. That is the reason so many alternative media people have gotten so popular, that is the only way we can hear the facts or at least the other side of looking at an issue. And it is our responsibility to check out alot of this stuff ourselves, to go to the source if we have to. For example, I had heard people say what the mission of FEMA was many many times from alternative media, but I went to the source myself and confirmed it. Plus it is only common sense to think that state and local authorities are the primary people responsible for evacuation plans and stuff like that. I knew that a long time before Katrina.

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@okie,

Gee, okie actually reads the "mainstream media." That's a shock!

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@teenyboone,

teenyboone wrote:

A Biased report if there was ever was one! Rasmussen is a professional "tea-bagger"!

More baloney. Rasmussen has been one of the more accurate pollers. And what about trying the terrorists in New York, that is absolutely a pathetic decision. And is it right that Holder's former law activities represented some of these people, and there is a conflict of interest here. I need to check that out, and true to form I hear nothing about this out of the mainstream Obama media.

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@okie,

Sure enough, this is all over the web:

"Holder’s firm has 17 alleged terrorists that they’re representing on a pro bono basis, for no fee," Gingrich said of Attorney General Eric Holder. "It’s the largest single thing they were doing for free -- was defending Yemenis. I think there are five different attorneys in the -- in the Justice Department appointed by Obama who had direct -- their firms were defending alleged terrorists."
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_terrorists_lawyers/2009/05/10/212870.html

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@okie,

okie wrote:

teenyboone wrote:

A Biased report if there was ever was one! Rasmussen is a professional "tea-bagger"!

More baloney. Rasmussen has been one of the more accurate pollers.

On election race polling - i.e., 'who are you going to vote for?,' they have been accurate. On issue polling, they have been wildly out of sync with all other major pollsters. You need to differentiate the two.

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And what about trying the terrorists in New York, that is absolutely a pathetic decision.

It is not a pathetic decision, but the right decision. I invite you to join the conversation on the thread about this if you like.

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And is it right that Holder's former law activities represented some of these people, and there is a conflict of interest here. I need to check that out, and true to form I hear nothing about this out of the mainstream Obama media.

How is that a conflict of interest? Holder is trying to get convictions, not acquittals.

Bush and Cheney used to be involved in oil companies and Halliburton, but you never seemed to think that this brought up a conflict of interest when they did business with them or gave preferential treatment to them.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

okie speaks with forked tongue again:

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For example, I had heard people say what the mission of FEMA was many many times from alternative media, but I went to the source myself and confirmed it.

From Wiki:

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The levee failures prompted investigations of their design and construction which belongs to the USACE as mandated in the Flood Control Act of 1965 and into their maintenance by the local Levee Boards (who prevented the Army Corps from building flood gates at the mouth of the drainage canals at Lake Pontchartrain).[8] There was also an investigation of the responses from federal, state and local governments, resulting in the resignation of FEMA director Michael D. Brown, and of NOPD Superintendent Eddie Compass. Conversely, the USCG, NHC and NWS were widely commended for their actions, accurate forecasts and abundant lead time.[9]

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Those of you who allege Rasmussen polls are false, ought to provide the results of polls that contradict Rasmussen's polls. Failure to do that makes your allegations appear baseless.

When you do manage to find a poll with results that conflict with Rasmussen's, provide a link or links to them so we can then compare the differences to determine if they are significant.

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Can you COVETERS refute this. If so, provide the evidence that refutes it.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/24/AR2006032401819.html
"We have done the best things we could have done. We live here," spokeswoman Susan J. Jackson said. During four decades of levee-building in New Orleans, Jackson said, the agency frequently found its hands tied because of restrictions imposed by budgets, by Congress or by local governments that often failed to meet financial responsibilities to help build and maintain the levees. Jackson added: "It was a question of who was going to pay, and how much."

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@ican711nm,

A friend who is an officer in the Army Corp of Engineers said that Republican administrations forced the agency to contract out levee building, with the contractors making decisions on standards. He said that he was so disgusted with poor practices of the contractors that he asked for a transfer.

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We have had discussions about polls for quite awhile on numerous threads. My belief is that anyone who tries to compare results from different sources is either deliberately cherry-picking or is hopelessly naive about polling techniques.
Here are some results from the past few days about the "Health Care Bill:"
CNN: 46% "In Favor" vs 49% "Against"
AP: 43% "In Favor" vs 41% "Against"
MSNBC: 36% "Good Idea" vs 42% "Bad Idea"
Rasmussen: 47% "Approve" vs 49% "Disapprove"

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@Advocate,

Which Republican administrations forced the agency to contract out levee building, with the contractors making decisions on standards?

Did any prior Democrat administrations do the same thing?

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@ican711nm,

of course not, everybody knows the conservatives are evil and the liberals are good

haven't you been paying attention in these threads

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@realjohnboy,

The polling on the health care bill is based on most people not understanding the facts of any of the legislation now being worked on. The biggest problem is the misinformation from the health insurance industry and the conservatives. It's difficult enough trying to comprehend such legislation, but the Obama administration has failed to communicate the important issues confronting UHC.

Expanding health care to 40 million more Americans are needed, but the government has not answered how stretching demand by not increasing supply will work. Nobody really knows how much this expansion is going to cost, and how it's going to be paid for.

Both Massachusetts and Germany are now both in big doodoo with their health plans, because cost overruns are bankrupting their government coffers. Congress has not explained how the increasing numbers of Medicare recipients will be taken care of when the baby-boomers become eligible for Medicare while the working class continues to shrink. When the tax base shrinks while the demand increases, I'm not sure how this or any government can fund it with everything else even by taxing the wealthy.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

A friend who is an officer in the Army Corp of Engineers said that Republican administrations forced the agency to contract out levee building, with the contractors making decisions on standards. He said that he was so disgusted with poor practices of the contractors that he asked for a transfer.

I doubt very seriously that contracting out the work by the Corps of Engineers is anything unusual. Good grief, find a government agency that does all of its own construction work, pick the Forest Service, BLM, Bureau of Reclamation, whatever. Take large road building projects in this country, I dare say virtually 99.9% of it is contracted out to large construction companies by state, local, and federal government.

Also, when you talk about poor practices by the contractors, that is the problem of the agency contracting out the work. I know for a fact that state engineers are on site to direct and approve any road building work.

I have a relative involved in inspecting construction projects done by private contractors for the BIA or some federal bureaucracy doing work on indian reservations out west. He makes sure everything is up to snuff or the contractor stays there until it is done. It is in the contract, and if the COE does not make sure the work is done as specified, that is the fault of the COE.

In summary, I doubt it was the Republicans that started that, I suspect this has been common practice of using contractors for decades. I suspect you need more information to really determine the problem here.

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@okie,

It figures that okie has a relative doing inspection work for our government. The irony of ironies; he admits it!

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@cicerone imposter,

Like I said before, a real "Shankapotomus"! I don't know if he's dyslexic or what! I will have to put him on IGNORE.

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@djjd62,

Not everybody!

I didn't know "the conservatives are evil and the liberals are good."

I merely thought that conservatives are in favor and liberals are opposed to the Ten Commandments and the US Constitution, because they are discriminatory!

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