nimh
 
  1  
Thu 18 Jan, 2007 03:28 pm
Other Democrats who, like Obama, joined most of the Republicans in voting against tabling the amendment (thus, de facto, supporting the proposal to ban Senators from employing their spouses or relatives as lobbyists) included:

Evan Bayh
Maria Cantwell
Russel Feingold
John Kerry
Bill Nelson
Jon Tester

Republicans who joined Hillary and most of the Democrats in voting for tabling the amendment (thus, de facto, opposing it) included:

Richard Lugar
Trent Lott
Orrin Hatch
Susan Collins
Jim Bunning
Lamar Alexander
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blatham
 
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Fri 19 Jan, 2007 05:27 am
Quote:
Coulter went on to say: "I do think it does show -- it further confirms my point that Democrats are racist, and they're just stunned to find a black man who can walk and talk. And, you know, not being a racist, I'm not really that impressed with a black man who can walk and talk."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701190002
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 05:33 am
Quote:
In addition to the Times and the Journal, on January 17, Morris' column was cited or republished by:

. U.S. News & World Report's online "Political Bulletin"
. The conservative news website NewsMax.com
. Right-wing pundit David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com
. The right-wing website Human Events Online
. The conservative website Family Security Matters

As of this posting, The Hill has not published a correction, and though the column still appears on the paper's website, it is not listed among Morris' columns. As of this writing, none of the other media outlets listed above has acknowledged Morris' retraction, either.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701180007
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 05:36 am
Limbaugh on Obama: "If he's got fire in his hands, what has he got in his pants?"
On the January 18 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, discussing Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) smoking, Rush Limbaugh said: "If he's got fire in his hands, what has he got in his pants?"

Earlier, Limbaugh had played an audio clip of Manhattan Institute senior fellow John H. McWhorter from the January 17 edition of The Big Story with John Gibson, during which McWhorter said, referring to Obama: "I think a lot of people find him sexy, and I think, even in today's America, there's a sense that there's something vaguely sexy about cigarettes; you've got fire in your hand." http://mediamatters.org/items/200701190004
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Thomas
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 05:56 am
cjhsa wrote:
I think Bill is leaning towards one of the Hilarys. He just doesn't know if he wants to vote for the left (o) or the right (o).

If so, this is exactly what makes a republic work -- that people retain the option to change their minds.
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xingu
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 07:17 am
Thomas wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
I think Bill is leaning towards one of the Hilarys. He just doesn't know if he wants to vote for the left (o) or the right (o).

If so, this is exactly what makes a republic work -- that people retain the option to change their minds.


Ya, Bill's not rigid or fixed on one ideology while ignoring reality. Our president and those who still support him have a hard time with reality. There are still a lot of them out there who believe that Saddam and Osama planned 9/11 together and those old decayed WMD's are still hidden or were moved to Syria.

Quote:
Not Bush. He's impervious to evidence.


http://www.slate.com/id/2098810
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nimh
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 10:25 am
Good article. <nods>
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 10:38 am
http://www.ebony.com/graphics/content/moved_cover.jpg

America's Next First Couple!
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 10:44 am
nimh wrote:
Good article. <nods>
Huh? Another tired anti-Bush screed in the wrong thread and you encourage it?
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 10:45 am
Here it is, as predictable as the smell of a farm shithouse. http://hillaryspot.nationalreview.com/

Quote:
Friday, January 19, 2007

Are Hillary's People Saying That Obama Attended a Wahhabi Madrassa?

I think if Team Obama is smart, they will get out ahead of this story as soon as possible.

Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?

This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.

"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."

When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obama's press secretary said he would consult with "his boss" and call back. He did not.

Sources said the background check, conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton, disclosed details of Mr. Obama's Muslim past. The sources said the Clinton camp concluded the Illinois Democrat concealed his prior Muslim faith and education.

"The background investigation will provide major ammunition to his opponents," the source said. "The idea is to show Obama as deceptive."



Jonah wonders if Hillary's people would really leak this to Insight magazine (no offense to the folks over there, but one wonders how eager Democrats are to give hot material to the conservative press). On the other hand, maybe this is a warning shot from Camp Hillary.
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Thomas
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 10:57 am
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." (Mahatma Ghandi) It's encouraging to see the conservative punditocracy move from ridiculing to fighting so fast.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 12:26 pm
Cool, Roxxxanne!

Blatham... ewwwwww...
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nimh
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 12:26 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
nimh wrote:
Good article. <nods>
Huh? Another tired anti-Bush screed in the wrong thread and you encourage it?


Wrong thread, good article. It summarized as eloquently as anything I recently read the underlying, fundamental problem in the way Bush (and Cheney and Rumsfeld) approach a problem in the first place. All the disastrous consequences of their policies merely follow from that.

Anyone who doesnt pick up on this will keep flailing at this or that failure in "implementation", like the various neocons who've now decided ater all that the war has gone wrong do, without realising that anything that had started out from this outlook would have gone wrong.
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nimh
 
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Fri 19 Jan, 2007 04:45 pm
blatham wrote:
Here it is, as predictable as the smell of a farm shithouse. http://hillaryspot.nationalreview.com/

Quote:
Friday, January 19, 2007

Are Hillary's People Saying That Obama Attended a Wahhabi Madrassa? [..]

An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.

Gotta love the whole pooha about "an investigation of Mr. Obama" and a "background check, which has not yet been released" that reveals ... what Obama has long and amply written about himself in his own friggin' books!

Where do these people get the nerve from to pretend to be so stupid?

Meanwhile, this tactic that Blatham has been warning about from the start is catchphrased in TNR as "THE RICOCHET SMEAR":

Quote:
A while back I predicted that conservatives would shamelessly smear Barack Obama and then blame the smearing on Hillary Clinton. Today I saw this article [..] about Obama from the conservative magazine Insight

<snipped>

The attribution on all this is broad enough ("political opponents within the Democratic Party"; "researchers connected to Senator Clinton") that I suppose this information about Obama could have originated with people in Clinton's orbit. But let's not forget where this information appeared. And let's be on the lookout for who goes on the cable shows and wonders whether "Barrack Hussein Obama" is "The Manchurian[, eh, the] Madrassa Candidate." Something tells me it isn't going to be Hillary, or any liberal for that matter.
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nimh
 
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Fri 19 Jan, 2007 04:47 pm
However, the Comments section to that item had me scratching my head about whether the "madrassa" line of attack might not go further than we in our sane minds would expect.

After all, the intellectual mix of liberal and neocon that is The New Republic is hardly a hotbed of conservative rabblerousing, yet even there the comments are somewhat mixed, with a larger minority of posters than I expected reacting along the lines of "it's a legitimate concern". (And yes, I'm quoting selectively to point out the part that worries me):

Quote:
I don't get it.

Obama went to a Moslem school. That's a fact.

The Republicans say that Obama went to a Moslem school, and let the public draw their own negative conclusions.

How is that a smear?


Quote:
It's not just the Indonesian Muslim connection. Obama's paternal grandfather converted to Islam (he didn't like Christianity's 'turn the other cheek' philosophy, according to Obama's memoir). His father is portrayed as a non-religious man, but was given a Muslim burial. So Obama has a Muslim as well as a Christian heritage. Given current US realities, this will be an issue and how he handles it will be a test of his considerable political abilities. [..]


Quote:
Obama's childhood orientation and indoctrination is a legitimate area of inquiry. [..]

If the man spent a portion of his youth in Indonesian schools, if he feels close kinship to his Kenyan roots, we have a right to know what that means in terms of his worldview.

He could even leverage it to his advantage as to his insight and understanding of world issues.

But, let's be real, if someone were running for president in 1940, or 1944, and had close family ties to Germany or Japan, it would probably have been an issue. If someone running for president in 1960 had spent part of his childhood in the Soviet Union, it would be an issue. [..]


Quote:
I hear they worship an awesome God in the madrassahs.


Quote:
[..] swifboating involved a set of buddies and participants who repudiated claims of heroism. there is no swiftboating with the muslim schooling here. this term is so overused and will backfire at some point. [..]


Quote:
[..] voters [..] like their presidents' religions bland. Nice, gentlemanly, country club Protestantism. The kind you bring out on Sunday and holidays, if you bring it out at all.

Any religion that has the odor of fervor-- Evangelical, Baptist, Mormon, Roman Catholic, and, yes, Muslim makes people nervous.

Jimmy Carter was mocked for his devout Baptist beliefs. George W. Bush is accused of being a religious zealot. Jack Kennedy's Catholicism was a potential issue, as had been Al Smith's, partly because of supposed fealty to an outside authority, the Pope.

So [..] this is nothing new in American politics. It's not reserved for Muslims.

With the last post oddly ignoring that Obama isnt, actually, you know, Muslim.
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Thomas
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 04:57 pm
nimh wrote:
Where do these people get the nerve from to pretend to be so stupid?

Maybe it's just a side effect of their pretending to have inside information on the story? From a journalist's point of view, it must be very frustrating when a politician fills everybody in and gives no exclusive information to them, the journalist.
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 05:24 pm
nimh

Peretz has not been good for that publication.

thomas

Nah, this isn't benign in the manner you suggest. These are intelligence and propaganda/marketing techniques with a pedigree.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 05:40 pm
If Obama was at one time a muslim or raised as a muslim this will factor into some people's decision on whether or not to vote for him for president. Personally, I think that there are many reasons this would be a foolish reason not to vote for him, but I also think it would be foolish not to vote for someone because he has once been or was once raised a pentecostal. I'm not sure, though, that all of the people who consider the revelation of Obama as a one time muslim as a smear tactic would consider the same about a report that a conservative candidate was once a fundamentalist christian. I could be wrong of course.

As stupid as not voting for Obama because of childhood religious affiliation may be, surely no one is suggesting stupid voters should not have this information on which to base their stupidity or that media outlets should not provide the information. Are they?

Because blatham predictably predicted that at some point an Obama "smear" would appear that would be attributed to Hilary Clinton certainly doesn't mean that the reports on this matter are an attempt to smear or even if they are, that they did not originate from the Clinton camp. It will be interesting to see if the people who had no problem accepting that one conservative (Bush) tried to smear another (McCain) in a primary can find it impossible to believe the same sort of dirty politics could be used by liberals.

As silly as any concern about a once muslim Obama is, if it is true that he spent four years attending an Indonesian madrassas, I'm afraid he he will not be able to easily dismiss the fact (if it is a fact - I really don't know) that he did not previously reveal this part of his past. The man has written two autobiographies ( a self-important feat that still amazes me) and he didn't mention the fact that he spent four years bobbing his head while reading the koran? Perhaps he did. I haven't read his books. If he did, then it's a surprise it took this look to highlight the fact, but ultimately the issue will not have legs.

If he did not, then I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to wonder why he did not (it can hardly be considered an inconsequential facet of his childhood) or what else he has not revealed.

Ultimately it would probably mean little as far as his qualifications as president go, but unfortunately for him and his adorers this is the way the game is played.

If the issue does have legs it will eventually start running, but it will be interesting to see how long the mainstream media can hold off from chasing it.
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 05:41 pm
nimh

Peretz has not been good for that publication.

thomas

Nah, this isn't benign in the manner you suggest. These are intelligence and propaganda/marketing techniques with a pedigree.
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Thomas
 
  1  
Fri 19 Jan, 2007 05:56 pm
blatham wrote:
Nah, this isn't benign in the manner you suggest. These are intelligence and propaganda/marketing techniques with a pedigree.

I expected you to say this to cover your tracks. After all, you're a Republican undercover agent, according to sources associated with nimh.
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