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@McGentrix,

McG, What in hell is "wealth envy?"

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@McGentrix,

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I used the word condition purposefully because I know that racists like you would immediately jump to the race card. I drew you out and not only did you take the bait, but swallowed the entire pole.

? you were the one who used the words-- to rise above their condition...

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@Gala,

Gala wrote:

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I used the word condition purposefully because I know that racists like you would immediately jump to the race card. I drew you out and not only did you take the bait, but swallowed the entire pole.

? you were the one who used the words-- to rise above their condition...

Yes I did. The rose above their condition of poverty to become successful men and women and now the black community calls them "oreo's" and you find that appealing. Speaks far more about the ones calling them "Oreo's" and those cheering them on then the individuals themselves.

This all goes back to Okie suggesting that people should be judged by their character. You really should try to actually read what is written and not just what you want the words to say.

Read the actual context:

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McGentrix wrote:

Gala wrote:

Oh McGentrix, get over yourself. The substance to the comment is you and your merry band of shiny whities think white is the standard. Anyone who isn't white, well, they're lesser beings, but your willing to overlook it cause you have yourself some kickass Nobelsse Oblige.

No, the substance of the comment was an effort to be sarcastic. I am so sorry you feel that you need to base my comments on some imaginary racism you see in my posts as it's not there. I don't apologize for being white, wasn't my choice, but I had and have the same opportunity in America as every other person no matter their color. People like Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, Oprah Winfrey, Barack Obama and many others prove this to be true. They have risen above their condition through personal effort, some good luck and a ton of doing for themselves.

So, take your silly comments and shove them up your ass. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. People have a choice to live their lives and you can either get busy living, or get busy dying while whining about it.

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@McGentrix,

There's no evidence that either Steele or Rice came from Poverty at all. Both of their bios sound decidedly middle-class to me.

When you list off a big list of black folks and state that they have 'risen above their condition,' you're not talking about poverty. Don't bullshit us, Mcg.

I wouldn't accuse you of racism, but I think you are race-baiting.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

In this orgy of denial it seems to be getting forgotten that the Northern European race invented everything that makes life worth living. Basques, garter belts, black stockings, frilly knickers, up-lift bras, sweaters, low cut frocks and high heel shoes.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

In this orgy of denial it seems to be getting forgotten that the Northern European race invented everything that makes life worth living. Basques, garter belts, black stockings, frilly knickers and high heel shoes.

I admit that they were pretty good at the later developments; but the other races had, shall we say, quite a bit of influence on the early and middle stages of the whole affair. Wouldn't you agree?

Cycloptichorn

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@DrewDad,

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Oversimplify much?

Your quote indicates it was $250 to 54 million people. Pulling up "calculator" and plugging in the numbers... $13,500,000,000.

I don't know. How many jobs did $13.5 billion dollars save?

Take your time. It seems math isn't your strong suit.

I dont know, how many jobs?
Since I havent heard any credible economist make the claim that the $250 actually saved or created any jobs, lets see your evidence.
I dont mean govt spin about what they THINK it did, but hard evidence, independently verified, that shows that the $250 stimulus checks helped save or create jobs.

And, how many full time, good paying jobs did you create or save with that $250?

Its easy to look at the total sum, but since the sum was split up, among millions of people, it could not save or create any jobs, individually.
IF however, that sum had all gone to one person or corporation, then you would have a valid argument.

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@cicerone imposter,

And you, who claims to be independent, and who claims to be willing to point out BS from both sides, have shown you dont mean what you say.

You know very well that a $250 check wont save or create any jobs, yet you swallow the lie that it did.
Tell me, how many good paying, full time jobs did you create or save with that $250?

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@mysteryman,

Nah; it's completely valid to say that that 13 billion helped in part to save thousands if not millions of jobs. Especially as it went to seniors on SS; that pretty much ensures that it gets spent, not socked away.

Why Republicans can't understand the concept of distributed, large-scale stimulus using small amounts, is beyond me. You don't have to give everything to some rich guy and wait for him to create jobs directly with that money; farming it out props up the entire economy a little bit, which is what is needed.

Cycloptichorn

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@mysteryman,

mm, That money still hasn't been distributed.

Another point: many people talk about the jobs saved or jobs created from the stimulus plan. That's ridiculous on the face of it, because only 25% of the stimulus plan money has been distributed.

If you want miracles, go to your church.

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@teenyboone,

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When did I set a standard, if I voice my opinion? As an American of African, Native American and European Ancestry that was here before you or your ancestors came over from wherever your people are from

So now you presume to know my history?

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all Americans are/were treated differently from what some of you consider "All American", which I translate to be "white".

Which proves you need a new translation device.
It also shows that you are the one being racist.
To me "All American" means just that, ALL AMERICAN.
That includes everyone of all races, creeds, religions, cultures, sexes, everyone.
If you are using it in the athletic sense, Jim Thorpe was an "All American", and he was recognized as one of the greatest athletes of all time.
BTW, he was Native American.

Herschel Walker, was also an "All American"
BTW, he is African American.

I could go on, if you choose.

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It's evident by the number of people in Washington that are set against the 1st Black President of ever achieving any of the goals he set out to achieve.

And of course all of them are racist?
It couldnt possibly be that they simply disagree with his positions and his goals?

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I don't know of any instance in this country that Blacks have instituted a system of keeping whites or any race from living in their neighborhoods, attending their schools, acquiring employment, worshipping in their churches or even being allowed to be buried amongst us. Do you?

How many people in the Congressional Black Caucus are not black?
How many people in the NAACP are not black?

My point is that you seem to see everything in racial terms.
You seem to think that every decision made in DC has race as a factor.
I am simply saying that you have a very myopic view of life and if you can only see life in racial terms you will have a very uncomfortable life, with many disapointments and you will end up a very bitter person.
You are approaching the bitter part now, IMHO.

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@djjd62,

Actually, no you dont.
It was the lefts greatest cheerleader, on A2K, that said something to the effect of personal opinions are meaningless without facts to support them.
So, since CI said it, it must be true.
So, you cannot comment on you OPINIONS as you see fit without FACTS to back them up.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Are you saying that it isnt possible for blacks, or anyone else for that matter, to rise above poverty on their own, without help?

Or, are you saying that no blacks have done it?

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@mysteryman,

i have no problem with CI, but he doesn't have anything to do with MY political beliefs or personal freedoms

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@Cycloptichorn,

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I admit that they were pretty good at the later developments; but the other races had, shall we say, quite a bit of influence on the early and middle stages of the whole affair. Wouldn't you agree?

No. We are the business end of the future.

Show me an art from anywhere else that had perspective in space or in tone and I'll show my arse in Bloomingdale's window.

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@spendius,

the Tang dynasty.

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@dyslexia,

Nah. No focus. Dreamy.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Nah. No focus. Dreamy.

Breaking news!

Anglophile asserts that Anglo-Saxons are the best!

Cycloptichorn

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@djjd62,

mm confuses opinions and claims made concerning economics and politics that are in the realm of knowledge.

If adam makes a claim that "600,000 jobs were created from the stimulus plan," it's up to adam to provide the evidence for it. That's both an opinion and a claim, but adam still has to provide reliable evidence for it to have any credibility.

As an opinion, it may have some merit, but from a claims POV, it has none until evidence is provided.

Unfortunately, this is what the Obama administration has claimed without providing any evidence for it. It's fundamentally an unprovable claim, because there is no way to calculate this number. If we rely on the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the numbers show a net loss of jobs.

mm doesn't know the difference.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Anglophile asserts that Anglo-Saxons are the best!

I asserted no such thing. Faustians.

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