Obama '08?

Great post Teeny.

Cycloptichorn

okie, It bothers you all right! You put people on Ignore - because it bothers you so much! Quit lying.

Race, unlike a sports game, does not have a clear set of rules and guidelines. When you accuse others of whining about their race and expect them to shape up, you're not listening, you're over-riding them and directing them to do it your way.

okie's superiority complex at work!

Come on Okie, you are being obtuse.

If there was no offense to making watermelon jokes towards blacks, then there would be no watermelon jokes made, otherwise, what would be the point because it wouldn't be funny to say that instead of (its not funny to any but racist but anyway) hunting eggs this year at the WH they are going to hunt watermelons unless there was a known significance to the watermelon reference. Its like the offensive jokes about Pollish being stupid (which they're not anymore than any other race or nationality.)

Racist jokes -- hatred that laughs

Good evening. Well (yawn) tomorrow is election day in Virginia and NJ for Governors.
The Repubs will get a clean sweep here in VA (Gov, Lt Gov and Atty Gen). I have written before that that will be no surprise. In something like the last 8 elections the party which controlled the White House saw their guy get defeated for Gov. The Dems had a lousy candidate. President Obama made a few appearances in N VA for the Dem.
NJ should be a battle. The last Rasmussen poll (10/29) has Chris Christie (R) at 46%, incumbent Jon Corzine (D) with 43% and Chris Daggett (I) at 8% and slipping in the last few weeks. Daggett has been running a "you don't like Corzine but don't want to vote for a Repub" campaign. Corzine has a 44% favorable rating vs a 54% unfavorable.
I suspect that Daggett will end up with about 4% with the balance going to...whom?
I am betting Corzine, due to visits from Mr Obama and President Clinton, will win. Dems in NJ can turn out voters.

It is apparent that perhaps one reason you see racism where none exists is that you are labeling some behaviors as racist when it has absolutely nothing to do with racism. For example, would you also accuse those people that opposed Bush of achieving his goals as racist as well? After all, you would not want to be hypocritical about what defines racism, would you teenyboone?

I will give you a clue, teeny, I oppose Obama in almost everything he wants to do, but not because of race, its because the man is a big time socialist, if not an outright Marxist or communist. But then again, maybe you believe any conservative is an oreo, perhaps you really do believe a black person is black because of his political belief, implying it is impossible for a conservative to be black, after all a black person on the inside is just not conservative? Am I close to right, teeny, about what you believe?

There were absolutely some who voted for Bush who were racists. That you are not capable of understanding this simple fact shows how ignorant you are about most things related to politics and economics. You fail to understand the realities of life, and often arrive at conclusions that are myopic, ignorant, and without evidence.

okies superiority/fear complex at work!

I see you, teeny, as having a good life, more than a good one-- a rich and full and happy life. One that is complimented by your ability to acknowlege your anger. You don't deny what pisses you off and you say it or you feel it, you don't skirt around the issue. You may be afraid of something but you don't deny it to yourself nor does it stop you.

For okie, well, he's terrified, but would never admit it, ever. His behind the scenes hand-wringing over the fate of the white man plagues him day in and day out. The fact that he admires Clarence Thomas gives him a chance to show just how progressive he is, where deep down he comforts himself by looking at Thomas and considering: "I don't think of you as black." What a relief. Everything in its place.

Enter teeny. A vocal female (deep flaw #1), ticked off (deeper flaw #2) and black (Trifecta!). teeny, you are not acting like you're supposed to in okies eyes. Now, just be a good girl and tone it down a bit so lokie doesn't feel so agitated. You've really gotten this thread off the important discussion of Barak Hussein Obama's cover-ups-- his Muslim roots, and his being born in a foreign country, Hawaii, to name a few.

Gala, I am going to say this about your post. It indicates that you could be arguing a couple of different scenarios, or so, and you could elaborate on which one is going through your head. In regard to "okie's superiority," that statement is completely without any context in terms of where you got that phrase. Please explain, as it is totally unfounded.

One possibility about your "fear complex" statement is that you think my fear of Obama being a communist or Marxist sympathizer is unfounded. In regard to that, I would challenge you to read about the many friends and advisors, and this includes former pastor and mentor, Reverend Wright, that has been making Marxist statements even lately, on top of what he preached for years. Let me remind you that the church that gets credit from Obama for being a huge impact on his life in Chicago, the one pastored by Wright for a very long time, was principally based upon what is known as Black Liberation Theology, and if you would examine this theology in an intellectually honest manner you would realize it contains and parallels many of the principles of Marxism, as applied to the Black race. Not only is it Marxist, but it is also very malignant in regard to promoting racism.

The other possible belief that you have that might explain your comment is that you also favor an extreme socialist or even Marxist view of the world, and you recognize that you see Obama is indeed in agreement with you, but that you think the fear of extreme socialism and Marxism is exaggerated and unfounded, that they are not the evil systems that I believe them to be.

Feel free to explain which one of the above is closer to your opinion. In either case, I think the evidence and realities of the world are in contradiction to yours, but feel free to provide your evidence anyway. Either argue that all of Obama's past associations mean nothing, and explain why, or argue that all of the death and suffering observed in communist systems in history were merely due to something else, but you need to provide evidence.

If that was such a great post, teeny should have no trouble explaining why all the opposition to Bush was based upon racism. I challenged her to that, and I am still waiting for that explanation that will clear things up. I expect to still be waiting alot longer for that explanation, in fact it may never occur, because when a statement is made without an iota of evidence, it takes evidence to go to the next step, and I don't think she has any, because there is none.

P.S. I don't see how a post like teeny's can be great when it is not based upon sound logic. No offense, teeny, I think you are a good person and I enjoy your posts, but I just think your reasoning is not sound at all.

Okie, I don't think you're in a good position to judge what is and isn't sound logic. Your mental gymnastics in the Ruthless Dictator thread sort of showed some weakness from you in that area.

I thought it was a good post, because she clearly got her point of view across, without being combative. We need more of that here.

Cycloptichorn

Revel, I am not in favor of going around insulting people, but by the same token I also think very strongly that society or intelligentsia has oversold the idea that we should all be so hypersensitive and politically correct about everything. I am not saying that stereotypes are all that accurate or appropriate, but I think our reactions to things like Polish jokes if we are Polish can make a huge difference, and often an over-reaction gets the most undesirable results. The same thing with the watermelon thing, I told you about us okies eating watermelons in the manner of a bunch of hicks for the purpose of pointing out that it is nothing to be offended about, in fact I take pride in growing up in less than royal manner, but I am doing fine, thanks. I just don't see the sense of making a big deal out of how people eat watermelons.

I will try to use another analogy. When in the Army at basic training at Fort Polk, there was a very skinny and puny white kid from some little town, I don't remember where, but anyway he was the picture of weakness. The basic training drill sargent proceeded to use this kid as the butt of his jokes and diatribes every day while in formation, making fun of him, and making him low crawl for his mail and all manner of other challenges to his strength. At first the kid could not do as much as one pushup, and of course the sargent ridiculed him and did a bunch of pushups for him, and helped him by lifting him each time, then ridiculing him, and I think he even had him crawl onto his back, the drill sargents back, then proceeded to do pushups and ridiculed the kid for the fact that he could even do them for both of them. Did the kid break down and give up under the barrage of ridicule? The answer is no, and I remember this so vividly, that after a few days the kid seemed to make up his mind that he was not going to crumble under the pressure, and perhaps with intense practice, he soon could do a few pushups, and finally maybe 25 or 50 after a few weeks. And he began to have more muscle, he began to not look so puny and weak. And then the sargent would get the kid up there and demonstrate his pushups, and then the sargent would ridicule any of the rest of us that could not do as many. He had us all do pushups in unison with the formerly weak kid, and anyone that could not keep up was then targeted. He bragged on the kid, and said to the rest of us that if he can do it, you can do it. You could tell the kid thrived on the positive feedback, he took it as a challenge to prove he was better than the weakest, and he proved he was not. During this same training cycle in my unit, there was a kid that was the picture of muscle and fitness, but almost every day he would go on sick call, he couldn't cut the mustard. But on Sunday afternoon, he was making diving catches in flag football games with the rest of the guys, then Monday morning it was sick call again, his back was hurting or some such thing. I think he just did not want to go through the training, so he complained instead.

So my point here is that anyone, anyone, can take a negative feedback and cry foul, or they can take it as a challenge and turn it into a positive. I am not saying the drill sargent had a right to ridicule the kid and I am not promoting the idea that this should be done, but I am saying the kid had a choice in regards to his response to it, and he turned the negative into a positive, and soon the negative disappeared. That is my point about anything that can be construed as racist, there is nothing like success that can bring more success.

So instead of all the complaining, just quit whining and move ahead with a good and sound way of living. Instead of accusing blacks that study and succeed as being too white, there should be more compliments to their drive to succeed. Instead of accusing the Clarence Thomas types of being an oreo, you should instead complimenting them for their hard work and "content of character."

wow okie

have you ever considered being a colour commentator, the way you describe sports , i mean that moving basketball story from the other day, and this latest tale of flag football, and push-up competitions, incredible

Laugh if you want, djjd62, but these are examples of "life lessons," and I think I learned many in sports, and in the military. Our school did not have football, we were too small and poor, but playing basketball and baseball on our teams was one of the highlights of going to school in my opinion, and were important in learning alot of things from it. And basic training at Fort Polk was a pretty big test to my endurance and many other things. I still consider it as hard or tougher in some ways than going to Vietnam. And so the memories of those things still provide points that I consider valuable to apply to other challenges and issues.

Well, that's what I've heard many times: basic training at Fort Polk was as hard and even tougher than going to Vietnam.

Poor, okie, didn't learn about "sportsmanship" or to give the other guys any respect. He lives in his own myopic world where everything he sees is Marxist, communism, and socialism. His understanding of world economics and politics is nil, and he continues to prove that every day with his dumb-ass posts.
He doesn't know how to separate his personal opinion from facts and evidence.

okie, I think you're afraid of black people. Period. I think you're scared shitless of them, with the exception of someone like Clarence Thomas and Michael Steele because they don't "act" black. And, as McGentrix so delicately put it, they've risen above their "condition." I think the whole issue of race is too raw for you.

How does one "act" black?