Obama '08?

@teenyboone,

teenyboone wrote:

You can think whatever you like, but you are the one that's rude, hateful and I must say, ignorant. We agree to disagree.

I haven't been able to stop thinking about this little exchange of ours all day. It's been extremely frustrating, as I have no idea what I did to bring on your onslaught.

For the sake of knowledge I'd like to discuss this more with you. Hopefully, in a way that keeps the insults at bay.

I'm 29 years old. I'm white. In my lifetime I've never seen slavery, and lived in a predominately white neighborhood pretty much all my life, in SW Washington state. As an estimate, I'd say that the neighborhoods I've lived in have been roughly 75% white with mainly blacks and hispanics making up the rest of the population.

You have said that I cannot understand your point of view because I've never been black. I agree. What would you have me do about that? I will never be black.

How can I help black people?
How can I help make black people more equal in society?
What would you have me do?

Please, tell me, what do I need to do to help make the life of blacks better?

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I need to get over the fact that I'm white and accept that god made me blond haired/ blue eyed and white for a reason. I am superior and have obligations to steer the lesser (coloured folk) out of the wilderness of their inabilites and show them the light of proper servitude to me and my kind.
Dys(you can call me massa)lexia.

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@dyslexia,

I hope this isn't a paraphrase of what you think I was trying to say.

I'm really just curious what black people expect white people to do. I'm not keeping any slaves; I'm not pushing people to the back of the bus; I'm polite to everyone I see, regardless of their skin color. I don't have hate in my heart for anybody, especially not based on something a superficial as skin color.

I just don't know what I'm expected to do, if anything.

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At this time in history, race should not be an issue in USA politics. However, when Obama was running for president, I received quite a number of racist cartoons and jokes concerning him. All of these were received from conservative friends who are successful and well-educated. What should I make of this?

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@Advocate,

You should realize that racism is alive and well. No amount of apologies from other folks can deny the facts; some people just need to feel superior to others even when they don't admit it. It's sorta like the polls on church-going. Many lie about attending church, but the facts tell the truth; many say something they can't back up.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

All of these were received from conservative friends who are successful and well-educated. What should I make of this?

Based on this small sample size all you can 'make of this' is that those particular friends at best are very insensitive, and at worst disgusting racists.

It would be a gross statistical error to conclude from those examples that all conservatives feel that way.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

some people just need to feel superior to others even when they don't admit it.

So, let's say that I personally feel this way (I don't think I do, but for the sake of argument).

What would you have me change?

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

How pertinent this news is!

Remember the Crowley incident, and the 'beer summit' that was derided by the right-wing as a failed attempt to remedy the situation?

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/spotted-gates-and-crowley-reportedly-partake-in-beer-summit-part-deux.php?ref=fpblg

http://wbztv.com/local/gates.crowley.cambridge.2.1277701.html

Talks, apparently, continue. Perhaps race relations in America will continue to improve over time, despite actions from various people to deny that from happening.

I sometimes think that people forget that the baseline state of humanity - at least if history is any judge - is to hate pretty much everyone who isn't just like your genetic and social group.

Cycloptichorn

Cool Follow up Cyclo.

T
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@snood,

snood wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

Code:My advice to you, teeny, is to get over your color
just ******* amazing.

I know. It still makes me shake my head and say "Damn!!" ...even after reading it for months and years and knowing it its never going to change.

Shake your head all you want, but its the truth. Get over your color, snood, if that is what you sit around thinking about. Do you get up every day thinking you are different, you are black? I think you need to leave the house every day thinking you are snood, you are an individual, with all of the rights, responsibilities and character that you have. It sounds like you have attained some success in your life to be proud of, you sound like a good citizen, so why do you want to wallow around in the sins of the past?

The people that perpetrated the wrongs of the past also got up every day thinking they were special because they were white or whatever, and that is what helped cause the problems to begin with. All of us are never going to get past this unless we quit thinking of ourselves as a member of a group, but instead as the individuals we are, and the character you have earned and possess. And thinking you are something special because you are black is not going to make you any better either.

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@okie,

You're a phucking idiot! There's no cure for stupid, you racist bigot!

You should get over the fact that you're white.

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@Gala,

Gala wrote:

Quote:
Bottom line, it is up to us, the individual, to be drawn to live on a higher plane and reject the baser instincts and self destructive habits and ways of life, regardless of the color of our skin.

Look! it's the Royal "us."
What higher plane would that be okie? Is it the higher plane from your pedastal?

Honor, hard work, honesty, responsibility for self, stay off of drugs and alcohol, support your family, what else do you need to know? After all, the statement should have been self explanatory, and I find it sad that it needs to be explained.

"Us" is mankind, the citizens, the people of this country, thats us.

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@okie,

I've said it before and probably will again, okie you need to learn when to just sit down and shut the **** up.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

teenyboone wrote:

You can think whatever you like, but you are the one that's rude, hateful and I must say, ignorant. We agree to disagree.

I haven't been able to stop thinking about this little exchange of ours all day. It's been extremely frustrating, as I have no idea what I did to bring on your onslaught.

For the sake of knowledge I'd like to discuss this more with you. Hopefully, in a way that keeps the insults at bay.

I'm 29 years old. I'm white. In my lifetime I've never seen slavery, and lived in a predominately white neighborhood pretty much all my life, in SW Washington state. As an estimate, I'd say that the neighborhoods I've lived in have been roughly 75% white with mainly blacks and hispanics making up the rest of the population.

You have said that I cannot understand your point of view because I've never been black. I agree. What would you have me do about that? I will never be black.

How can I help black people?
How can I help make black people more equal in society?
What would you have me do?

Please, tell me, what do I need to do to help make the life of blacks better?

map, I think you've got a good head on your shoulders and a good heart. I can understand why this is frustrating to you. I'd worry less about pleasing an individual to prove something. You've deomstrated here that your politics are pretty well for the benefit of most people (hard to say all people for anyone's politics, even mine). In light of that, I think you're "doing" already, I think however what gets lost in translation with you is how you communicate the issue.

I have lots of friends that combat this same problem. They feel the need to prove they are the good white person. Being white is a part of your identity, and a huge part of your life experience. You've certainly demonstrated your ability for sympathy where empathy lacks. Teeny has some good points, but certainly a chip on the shoulder.

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@okie,

"The sins of yesterday."

Yesterday?

Today.
K
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@dyslexia,

I owe you $5. Will you accept a check?

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@Gala,

Even food stamps. LOL

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@cicerone imposter,

food stamps are fine, I can convert $5 in food stamps to $2 in crack.

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@dyslexia,

Just a word of advise; you should try for $2.50 in crack.

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@okie,

BTW,
The plantation is exactly where you'd LIKE for me to be. I speak from MY experience as a Black in America, a native, the 5th generation from slavery.
What you know about the Black Experience, I could put in a thimble, so until you become Black, don't speak for me. I thank you for nothing, for you and people like you are why this country is where it is now.

You are probably an avid fan of Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and mis-call yourself a Christian! Your leaders are the McCains, Palins and the "holier than thous"! Republican politicians who were "forced" out of the closet, but vote against Gay Rights! The only Black Leader I know, is a Man named Jesus.

When Jesse Jackson starts paying my mortgage and Bill Cosby gets off his "high horse", they can start "leading" me around, okay? I've always "marched" to the beat of a different drummer. I hear my own music in my head and you have Blacks so screwed around you don't know who is who! Why? Go and look at the man in the mirror. You'd be great for Fox, Inc. You're just as "screwed" as the rest of your right winged brethren. You leave being Black, to me!

Please don't bother to reply, cause I won't!

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@Gala,

He, (George Allen), regrets the remark to this day! Darn! Ruined his run for President too. It was the beginning of the crumbling/imploding of the Republicans nto themselves. Democrats sin, stumble, fall and many of the SAME offenses ALL politicians commit, because they are human. What gets me are the "holier", "christianer" "pius" ones, that 1) get caught cheating on their wives using high priced prostitutes, 2) the "in the closet" Gays with wives as a foil, luring men in bathrooms, 3) the hypocrites who prosecuted Clinton, while having kids out of wedlock, (Henry Hyde), 4) cheated on wife 1, while having an affair with a legislative aide, (Newt Gingrich), then MARRIED HER, then divorced her and is on wife 3 or 4! And last Mark Foley, that protector of kids, who was texting and emailing male pages, had sex with them, but the ultimate was Gov. Sanford who used taxpayer dollars to "fly" to his beloved in Argentina, while hiking!

So tell me, which one of them is a "conservative"? NONE! They served to SERVE themselves first and their constituents BE DAMNED! Not that some Democrats weren't tit for tat; see both governors of NY and John Edwards. Powerful men but can't keep their privates in their pants! Let's not forget Dick Cheney when he shot his friend in the face. The 2 women with them were NOT their wives!

The killer is the hypocritical way Repugs "justify" what they do! Too bad they aren't "liberal"!

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