cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 27 Oct, 2009 10:28 am
@revel,
revel, The real issue about Bush is that he started the war in Iraq, and still took the most vacation days of any president. Bush's priorities as well as his decisions were replete with incompetence. What more need be said?
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maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 27 Oct, 2009 02:30 pm
Alright OBAMA!!!! Something I can pat your back on!

I've been calling/emailing my power company every few months for the last 5 years asking them if I'm able to get on a program where 100% of my energy usage comes from renewable resources. I've volunteered to pay more and everything, but nothing like this has been available to me. I think I read the article that this is one of the things that a smarter grid will let consumers choose.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obama-putting-34B-toward-a-apf-2888003555.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=7&asset=&ccode=
Quote:

ARCADIA, Fla. (AP) -- President Barack Obama made a pitch for renewable energy Tuesday, announcing $3.4 billion in government support for 100 projects aimed at modernizing the nation's power grid.


AP - President Barack Obama, left, and Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., walk off Air Force One as they arrive in ...
Touring a field of solar energy panels in west-central Florida, the president urged greater use of several technologies to make America's power transmission system more efficient and better suited to the digital age. The projects include installing "smart" electric meters in homes, automating utility substations, and installing thousands of new digital transformers and grid sensors.

"There's something big happening in America in terms of creating a clean-energy economy," Obama said, although he added there is much more to be done.

He likened the effort to the ambitious development of the national highway system 50 years ago. He said modernization would lead to a "smarter, stronger and more secure electric grid."

Under muggy skies, Obama toured the DeSoto Next Generation Solar Energy Center, which is designed to generate enough energy for about 3,000 residential customers of the utility FPL. It is the nation's largest photovoltaic electricity facility.

Obama said a modern grid could give consumers better control over their electricity usage and costs, and spur development of renewable energy sources such as wind and solar.

The $3.4 billion in grants from the government's January economic stimulus program will be matched by $4.7 billion in private investments. The smallest grant will be $400,000 and the largest $200 million.

"We have a very antiquated (electric grid) system in our country," Carol Browner, assistant to the president for energy and climate change, told reporters. "The current system is outdated, it's dilapidated."

Matt Rogers, the Energy Department official involved in the program, said the 100 projects were selected from 400 proposed. The money will be distributed over the next two months and the work is expected to be done over the next one to three years, he said.

Even as Obama pitched more efficient and renewable energy use, his trip to Arcadia made it clear that old habits and dependencies die hard. He arrived in a motorcade of gas-guzzling SUVs. While waiting for the motorcade to get started, several vans kept their engines running to provide air conditioning for occupants escaping a hot Florida sun.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 27 Oct, 2009 02:41 pm
@maporsche,
It's good to know that Obama does some things right! Even though I have supported some parts of the TARP and stimulus plans, I'm still not happy with many of the things that Obama has done in his first nine months in office.

Transparancy
Budget deficit
Flip-flops on UHC
Budget deficit
Not controlling TARP or stimulus plan spending
Budget deficit
Fear of Israel (Jews of America)
Budget deficit
Increasing troops in Afghanistan; a lost war (it doesn't help our "security")
Budget deficit
Government cost reductions are ridiculous
Budget deficit
Balanced budget (ROFLMAO)
Budget deficit

maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 27 Oct, 2009 02:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's good to know that Obama does some things right! Even though I have supported some parts of the TARP and stimulus plans, I'm still not happy with many of the things that Obama has done in his first nine months in office.

Transparancy
Budget deficit
Flip-flops on UHC
Budget deficit
Not controlling TARP or stimulus plan spending
Budget deficit
Fear of Israel (Jews of America)
Budget deficit
Increasing troops in Afghanistan; a lost war (it doesn't help our "security")
Budget deficit
Government cost reductions are ridiculous
Budget deficit
Balanced budget (ROFLMAO)
Budget deficit


Careful CI.....teenyboone is about to call you a racist and go on and on about how hard her ancestors had it 450 years ago. I saw a black comedian this weekend at Zanies in Chicago who made a joke like "I'm glad for slavery, otherwise I'd be starving and dying of aids in Africa." I think I heard Chris Rock joke about that once too. It was a pretty much all-white crowd, she really ratched up the black/white jokes.

All that aside; I know how you feel. I don't think my frustrations with the Obama presidency I voted for(and watched live in Grant Park, Chicago) are any secret here. Your list is a good start....
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 27 Oct, 2009 03:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I agree with most of this article:

Quote:
Obama’s administration projects that from 2010 onward the economy will grow at an average rate of 3.2 percent, 45 percent faster than during the Bush years. Even so, Obama would run budget deficits"by his own optimistic projections"averaging 3.9 percent of GDP, nearly twice as large as Bush’s deficits. And while President Obama’s higher economic growth may or may not materialize, we can be confident that his budget deficits are not underestimated. Big government may be back, but balanced-budget liberalism is not.

There's no way for our economy to grow at 3.2%. People are still losing jobs by the thousands, and consumer spending is dropping as well - while many families lose their homes and businesses. Past growth was dependent on increasing equity in their homes and easy credit - which no longer exists.

Under President Obama, spending will increase to an average of 22.6 percent of GDP"14 percent above the 19.9 percent average during the Bush years and higher than any peacetime presidential administration in U.S. history.

This is the biggest problem and issue facing the Obama administration; increasing the deficit while not creating jobs will eventually translate into high inflation rates, because there will be more money in circulation than goods and services.

And these deficits would not be due to a lack of taxes. President Obama’s budget projects average tax collections of 18.7 percent of GDP versus 17.9 percent during the Bush years, a difference that adds up to $1.3 trillion in extra revenues over 10 years.

As GDP continues to drop, the average tax collections will also decrease - not increase.

Under President Obama, spending will increase to an average of 22.6 percent of GDP. This new spending, dedicated to healthcare, energy, education, and other areas, is 14 percent above the 19.9 percent average during the Bush years and higher than any peacetime presidential administration in U.S. history.

In testimony before Congress, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner blamed rising spending in the Obama budget on the aging of the population, which drives up Social Security and Medicare costs. Yet controlling entitlement costs increases, which are entirely predictable, is one reason we elect a president.

Obama doesn't seem to be much concerned.

Paying more taxes to balance the budget at least presents a balance: while higher tax rates reduce incentives to work, lower budget deficits could raise national saving, increasing future productivity and wages. But higher taxes and increasing budget deficits together are another matter entirely. President Obama’s tax plans raise marginal rates at all income levels, hurting incentives to work. Likewise, large budget deficits will starve the economy of capital and reduce future investment"real investment, that is, not the Obama-speak “investment” that is mostly just spending in disguise. This spells lower future standards of living for Americans.

As Congress takes over the job of turning President Obama’s budget plans into legislative reality, they should focus on two words: aim higher.

Andrew G. Biggs is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.
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teenyboone
 
  1  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 08:03 am
@maporsche,
Seriously, YOU tell me, you're so smart! Schitt for brains!
maporsche
 
  1  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 08:05 am
@teenyboone,
teenyboone wrote:

Seriously, YOU tell me, you're so smart! Schitt for brains!


I guess I'm not that smart teenyboone. I believe your response to my post to be hateful, incorrect, rude, and disgusting. I may be wrong here, but that's why I asked.
teenyboone
 
  1  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 08:16 am
@okie,
I agree with some of what you've posted, but on family farms, everybody worked; Mom, Dad and the kids. Every last one of them. I don't blast unions because they speak for the little guy. Right! They aren't what they USED to be, but nothing is. Banks, Schools, Parks, Roads, etc., are ALL fighting for what meager dollars are being "doled" out, while Pres. Obama tackles 2 wars and an economy in the tank, because of the 2 wars.

Anyone that doesn't agree with the fact that Bush "contracted" out services, normally performed by our Armed Services, should be questioning "WHY"! Why were some of the oldest artifacts destroyed by our Armed Forces, when the City of Baghdad was taken? Situated on the Euphrates River, it is one of the world's oldest cities. I'll bet Crawford Texas would never suffer what Baghdad suffered. Some of the oldest antiquities were destroyed or stolen. Talking about a "culture" war, I'd be angry as hell, if my beloved French Quarter in New Orleans were destroyed. It almost was after Katrina.

Read up on the history of Iraq, the different names it went by, it's connection to Christianity, etc. You don't just go in and level everything. Even the Nazis were careful not to destroy the Eiffel Tower or the Cathedral in London. Bush called his wars a "crusade". Who in the hell did he think HE was; Alexander the Great? This country idly sat by and saw cities fall and their kids, husbands and fathers killed or maimed. Like Viet-Nam, we didn't have to be there at all.
okie
 
  0  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 09:03 am
@teenyboone,
To discuss some of the points you made, I do not believe Obama is approaching the problems properly withe the correct policies. The 2 wars, he doesn't even talk to his commanders enough to find out what is going on, and I think that is incompetence and irresponsibility. The economy, it is now his economy, he cannot forever blame this on Bush, and he has done nothing in my opinion that will fix the underlying causes of this economy. Everything he has done is window dressing, thats all, of minimal positive effect and all of which passes on with no lasting effect. In fact, they merely intensify the causes that brought us here in the first place, higher debts, etc.

The subject of Bush contracting out stuff, every president has done that, this is nothing unique to Bush, so I think you have been reading too much anti Bush propaganda. Historical artifacts in Iraq, sure, that is no surprise, but we did in fact minimize that and chose our targets carefully. Also most looting was done by the people of Iraq, not us, so please do not blame that on Bush. Vietnam, it was a Democrat president that took us there, but remember it was communism we were opposing, and from the information I have seen of late, the Vietnamese people like us, particularly those that had contact with us during the war, and the country is changing, opening up, and instituting greater freedoms because of them tasting a bit of freedom those many long years ago.

I do not believe that America can retract into a shell and not participate around the world in the interest of freedom, liberty, and decency. Especially given the fact that millions of people are being taught hatred, and the fact that a product of that hatred caused airliners to fly into our cities and buildings to result in terrible carnage and death. We cannot sit idly by and be silent about this. And the idea that somehow we caused this by our past actions is nothing more than hogwash and nonsense. Therefore, I resent a president that goes around the world apologizing. We have not been perfect, but we have much to be proud of, and because of us the world is better off than it would have been. I do not advance the idea that we can solve every problem in the world, however we should not go to the other extreme either.

One of the enemies of decency and liberty is communism, and strangely we now have people in the administration with sympathies toward those idealogies. Even Obama himself, I am not sure of. We live in troubled times, and I intend to stand for what is decent and right, which is freedom and liberty, capitalism, free markets, individual responsibility and individual freedom, plus a more responsible, smaller, and less intrusive government. The Republican Party is not perfect but it now gives us the best hope for those principles.

Teeny, I would invite you to join the conservative ranks, an idealogy that focuses on the higher and more uplifting goals, that we the people through hard work, individual responsibility and liberty, we can do better than an over intrusive and monster government that wants to solve every problem for us. The big government party is the Democrats. That road leads us downhill, to a place we don't want to be.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 09:24 am
@okie,
You wouldn't understand "correct policies" if your life depended on it.

I don't see everything Obama does as socialistic or bad, but you see everything that way. Wake up and smell the coffee.

You're an ignoramus without any hope of learning anything.
maporsche
 
  1  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 09:36 am
Oh Obama; you just keep letting me down. And after I just praised you for an article I read about you offering grants to alternative energy companies.




http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/108030/a-drop-in-the-wrong-bucket?sec=topStories&pos=5&asset=&ccode=
Quote:

A Drop in the Wrong Bucket

If you wanted to help the economy and you had $14 billion to bestow on any group of people, which group would you choose:

a) Teenagers and young adults, who have an 18 percent unemployment rate.

b) All the middle-age long-term jobless who, for various reasons, are not eligible for unemployment benefits.

c) The taxpayers of the future (by using the $14 billion to pay down the deficit).

d) The group that has survived the Great Recession probably better than any other, with stronger income growth, fewer job cuts and little loss of health insurance.

More from NYTimes.com:

• Big Lender GMAC Asks for More U.S. Aid

• For Geithner, the Wrinkles Aren't Just in Finance

• Union Votes Go Against Cuts at Ford

The Obama administration has chosen option d -- people in their 60s and beyond.

The president has proposed sending a $250 check to every Social Security recipient, which sounds pretty good at first. The checks would be part of his admirable efforts to stimulate the economy, and older Americans are clearly a sympathetic group. Next year, they are scheduled to receive no cost-of-living increase in their Social Security benefits.

Yet that is largely because they received an artificially high 5.8 percent increase this year. For this reason and others, economists are generally recoiling at the proposal.

President Obama's own economic advisers raised objections, as my colleague Jackie Calmes has reported. Isabel Sawhill of the Brookings Institution told me she thought the idea was crazy -- and then noted she was in her 70s. Rosanne Altshuler, co-director of the Tax Policy Center in Washington, says that the checks "seem to be pure pandering to seniors."

Indeed, the politics are attractive. People over 65 vote in large numbers. Saying no to them is never easy.

And therein lies a problem that's much larger than one misguided $14 billion proposal.

With the economy gradually improving, members of Congress and White House officials are just starting to think more seriously about the budget deficit. Fifty-three senators voted down a narrow health care bill last week, with many citing its potential impact on the budget. On Monday, Christina Romer, the chairwoman of Mr. Obama's Council of Economic Advisers, gave a speech in which she said the deficit was "simply not a problem that can be kicked down the road indefinitely."

Just about everybody agrees that solving the deficit depends on reducing the benefits that current law has promised to retirees, via Medicare and Social Security. That's not how people usually put it, of course. They tend to use the more soothing phrase "entitlement reform." But entitlement reform is just another way of saying that we can't pay more in benefits than we collect in taxes.

"If the long-term issue is entitlement reform," says Joel Slemrod, a University of Michigan economist, "the fact that the political system cannot say no to $250 checks to elderly people is a bad sign."

The first Social Security check was mailed in 1940 to Ida May Fuller, a retired legal secretary in Ludlow, Vt. It was for $22.54. Every month for the next 10 years, Ms. Fuller received a check for that same amount.

The original Social Security legislation had not included an inflation adjustment, which meant benefits did not keep up with the cost of living. A decade later, Ms. Fuller's checks were worth about 40 percent less in real terms than when she started receiving them.

Congress finally increased benefits in 1950 and then continued to do so in fits and starts, sometimes faster than inflation, sometimes slower and usually in an election year. President Richard M. Nixon and a Democratic Congress brought some order to this process in 1972, by automatically tying benefits to the movement of an inflation index in the previous year.

The changes were part of the transformation, during the middle decades of the 20th century, in how this country treated the elderly. In the 1930s, they had little safety net and frequently struggled to meet their basic needs. Four decades later, they were the only group of Americans with guaranteed health care and a guaranteed income. All in all, it was certainly for the good.

But by the 1970s, you could start to see the early signs of excess. In their bill, Mr. Nixon and Congress included a little bonus: the increase in Social Security payments could never be less than 3 percent, no matter what inflation was. In the 1980s, Congress reduced the floor to zero -- meaning that benefits would be held constant if prices fell -- but the principle remained the same: heads, it's a tie; tails, Social Security recipients win.

This year, the coin finally came up tails.

With oil prices plunging and other prices falling, last year's high inflation (which led to the 5.8 percent increase in Social Security payments) has turned into deflation. Overall prices have dropped 2.1 percent in the last year, according to the relevant price index.

Social Security payments, however, will remain as they were, which means that recipients are already set to receive an effective raise, even without Mr. Obama's $250 checks. No matter what happens with that proposal, 2010 will be the first year since at least the Nixon era that the buying power of an individual worker's Social Security goes up.

Compare that to what's happening with minimum-wage workers in Colorado. Their wage is also tied to inflation, but it has no floor. So it will fall slightly next year, to keep pace with prices.

Now, I understand that there are arguments on the other side of the issue. Lawrence Summers, Mr. Obama's top economics aide, pointed out that the stimulus bill included one-time $250 payments for Social Security recipients, which were sent out this year, but tax cuts for workers both this year and next year. "We're correcting an anomaly," he told me.

Others will argue that the elderly simply need help. Some have been the victim of age discrimination. Too many still live in poverty. All of them are likely to see their Medicare premiums rise in 2010. This recession has spared no group.

But older Americans really have survived the recession better than most.

Many of them started buying assets years if not decades ago, meaning they were not the main victims of the stock and housing bubbles. They had a cushion. In addition, relatively few of them work in manufacturing or construction, the hardest-hit industries.

Just consider: The real median income of over-65 households rose 3 percent from 2000 to 2008. For households headed by somebody age 25 to 44, it fell about 7 percent.

Economic policy, like most everything else, is about making choices. Mr. Obama is choosing the elderly, rich and poor, to be more worthy of $14 billion in government checks than struggling workers or schoolchildren. Republicans have pandered in their own ways, choosing to oppose just about any cut in Medicare and, in effect, to stick your grandchildren with an enormous tax bill.

In a way, I understand where the politicians are coming from. We voters may say that we are in favor of cutting the deficit, but usually mean it in only the theoretical sense. Who wants their own benefits cut? For that matter, who is even willing to have their Social Security checks hold steady?
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Advocate
 
  1  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 09:36 am
@okie,
Who are those administration people who are sympathetic to communism? Or were you just lying (as usual)?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 09:39 am
@Advocate,
The better question is, "when is the Obama administration going to begin taking over all of commerce?" Is owning stock in banks and finance companies a communist take-over? Does ownership in stock by the general public also communistic?
okie
 
  0  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 03:34 pm
@Advocate,
Where have you been, have you even kept track of any news at all? There have been several whackos in the administration, which is not surprising, Obama's friends and mentors were whackos, like Ayers, Wright, etc. I don't know where you get the lie business, if you are interested in lies, listen to Obama.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 03:36 pm
@okie,
Hey, okie, let's compare the lies of Bush vs Obama. I'll give you a head start with the biggest Bush lies - here: http://www.bushlies.net/
teenyboone
 
  0  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 04:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Advocate and CI.
According to Glenn Beck, Van Jones, who he managed to get fired, ACORN, anyone in Obama's administration and Democrats in general are ALL Communists! Like the Red Scare from the McCarthy era. As long as HE says it, he thinks he's exercising his first amendment rights, but the Glenn Becks, who 6 months ago, no had heard of, is CRYING all the way to the bank because he appeals to the "lunatic fringe" on the far right. I didn't say Republican because they are a "fractured" group, with no compass, no agenda of their own to justify, that's why they are the party of NO!

Cheney, his daughter who knows nothing, Tom Delay, Rick Santorum, Sarah Palin, failed candidate John McCain and their No. 1 son, Dick Armey are all advocates of those so-called "tea" parties, the birthers and the gun toters, all because Obama doesn't "fit" their All-American persona, but it's okay to send people of color and others, to die on the battlefields. The above have all "milked" the system, for their own benefit and Obama has taken their "sense of entitlement" away from them. No, they only want the government to take care of those that LOOK like them!
okie
 
  0  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 04:57 pm
@teenyboone,
teeny, why do you continue to see everything through the prism of race? The Republicans have a chairman today that is black. The Republicans put a black on the Supreme Court, Clarence Thomas. Bush had many in his administration, example Condi Rice. Admit it, black conservatives are savaged by none other than the Democrats, and commonly fellow blacks. It is the race baiters like Jesse Jackson that do not want the issue of race to disappear, that is what they make their living off of. And also admit it, the Democrats are the groupees, they see everything through the prism of groups, of race, etc. Republicans want to progress past that childish way of looking at the world, they would like to look at people as individuals instead of helpless and downtrodden groups. And if you could also look at yourself as an individual, a successful one, perhaps you could also begin to realize the Democrats have done nothing for you. You have done it all for yourself. It has been your hard work and success that has made you the person you are. The content of your character, not the color of skin is what matters.
mysteryman
 
  1  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 04:57 pm
@teenyboone,
You need some serious help!!!

Not every decision or opinion is based on racism, like you seem to think.
Get over yourself and get a grip on reality.
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 06:51 pm
You guys still read her posts? Huh.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 28 Oct, 2009 06:54 pm
@McGentrix,
If we're still reading your crap, there's nothing wrong with "her stuff."
At least she believes in stuff that's probably been influenced by her experiences.
 

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