Obama '08?

@hawkeye10,

He is working on closing Gitmo but like anything there have been problems. Iraq is on schedule to have troop withdrawal about the time he said he would do it, he never said he would do it completely and he never said he would quit the war in Afghanistan, in fact he said all along pretty much the opposite. As for the bit about goodies bags, typical republican spin without truth to them. I can show lots of places in conservative states where they benefited from the stimulus package and even took credit for it after denouncing them. Most of the bail outs happened under the Bush administration, can go back a few pages and see links attesting to that fact if you wish.

The one problem I am having has to do with past torture and perhaps the rendition program being continued which really does go directly against his campaign promises.

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@revel,

revel wrote:

I fail to see how Hillary would have done any of these things better than Obama has done them.

She might not have done anything any different. But I'd be harping on her job performance right now too, had she made the same decisions that Obama has made. I guarentee you.

And I'm sorry that you feel that I didn't give him a holiday, but when he passes the stimulus bill right after getting sworn in, a bill that I despise, what am I supposed to do?

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@maporsche,

I am pretty sure the stimulus bill was passed by a great many democrats. Who ever got in office would have had to have done something to stop (attempt) the downward spiral the economy was on. I imagine McCain would have pushed for another set of tax cuts (as though we didn't pass tax cuts which didn't seem to have done any good for the economy.) Hillary probably would have passed or proposed something similar to what Obama proposed. Do you think nothing should have been done after the financial crises we had at the end of the Bush administration and the start of the Obama administration?

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@revel,

revel wrote:

Do you think nothing should have been done after the financial crises we had at the end of the Bush administration and the start of the Obama administration?

Yes. That's pretty much exactly what I think.

I was/am open to extended benefits for laid off workers, and some of the social safety net stuff that was actually passed; but the bailouts, the TARP, the $15/week tax cuts, the money to the states, etc...I feel was a horrible waste of our money and ineffective.

I mean, there's talk about things turning around right now; and only 10% of the money has been spent; obviously we didn't need all that was passed.

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@maporsche,

actually, the figure I saw was that 45% has been spent......states are now trying to figure out what to do when the money runs out, because there is little hope that the tax receipts will recover by then. We are on the edge of the next round of cuts in state budgets, and the foreclosure of home mortgages and commercial real estate loans will be relentless....driving the banks to the edge of insolvency yet again.

The stimulus plan was a costly delay move, $700 billion bought us some time but did not fix the problems.

What should have been done was to protect the little guy, a huge jobs program, anyone who wanted a paycheck should have been able to work on projects to benefit the collective in return for a check. Let the restructuring of the capitalist structure take place as it needs to happen, let everyone who needs to go bankrupt do so, and if they refuse push them off of the cliff. Then start the rebuilding process.

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@hawkeye10,

Where do you see the rebuilding process starting from hawk?

Is it the foundations or just a refurb of the bathroom?

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@hawkeye10,

Yes! There is only 3 years and two months before his term is up.

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I was trying to find a place where a chart or something is available to see how much money has been spent. I found the following.

Recovery

I am not sure, never was good at charts and graphs.

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@revel,

revel, Our recovery is as much a state of mind as reflected by the government's stats on consumer confidence as it is real spending. The problem we're now seeing is that although consumer confidence seems to be showing some improvements, spending has been lacking because from the lack of credit and more people saving rather than spending.

We must now "depend" on the stimulus plan monies to see how it affects real jobs and spending.

With the stock market showing some unrealistic uptick, some investors must think that our economy has already hit bottom.
We will not really know until next year - IMHO.

It will still be a jobless recovery - for at least five years. The slowdown in job loss is a good indicator, but job recovery will take more than ten years - if not longer.

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Obama's attempts at a Middle East Peace is not going well.

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Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has demanded that Israel abide by a 2003 peace "road map" and freeze settlement activity on occupied land where Palestinians hope to build a state. Abbas and Mitchell held talks in the occupied West Bank on Friday.

Doesn't seem the Israelis are ready for peace; they want more land and settlements.

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@Lightwizard,

Lightwizard wrote:

It's an urban myth that the peace prize is awarded in recognition for peace efforts, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.

The prize is more often awarded to encourage those who receive it continue in their direction of eventual peace at critical turning points of history.

Next question is to ask yourself who would you award it to? George Bush?

George Bush would actually make more sense. After all, the world is less safe now than before. Every despot and dictator is emboldened and encouraged by Obama's presidency, and that does not in any way make the world more safe. But of course the Nobel prize is nothing but a political thing anyway, it actually means very little to nothing in regard to peace.

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@okie,

In what ways are terrorists more imboldened by the Obama presidency?

I know you lack reading skills and comprehension, but more Taliban/al Quida leaders have been killed in the past nine months than during the eight years of GWBush.

You're an idiot!

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@cicerone imposter,

Leaders are never killed. The King is dead, long live the King.

The people killed might be more moderate than the ones who replace them.

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There is an interesting little vote on Huffingtonpost.

8 Most Outrageous Attacks On Obama's Nobel Peace Prize

I can't decide between:

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Limbaugh just comes out and sides with the enemy: "Something has happened here that we all agree with the Taliban and Iran about and that is he doesn't deserve the award."

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RedState's Erick Erickson went for the race card, suggesting President Obama must have been picked to meet some Nobel Peace Prize "affirmative action quota."

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Brian Kilmeade wonders whether Obama delayed his decision on sending more troops to Afghanistan to win the Nobel.

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@revel,

Almost everyone I've talked to about Obama's Nobel prize, the first thing they say is "for what?" That is an unanswered question at this point. The only answer so far is thats just liberal politics, the politics of good intentions, results don't matter. Kind of like the folks in Yellowstone feeding the bears, they meant well, but never mind it created a population of unhealthy and pest bears that don't know anything about fending for themselves, they are now garbage bears. So applied to the welfare state, communism, socialism, yes, they meant well, and applied to peace, Obama wants peace, so appeasement is the path chosen, so he means well, but never mind the ugly results it is likely to bring.

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@spendius,

spendi, You missed the whole message; more al Qauida leaders have been killed during Obama;s 9 months in office than the eight years of the Bush regime.

If that needs to be explained to you, you don't belong on these threads.

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@okie,

First off, your circle is probably limited. However, I understand there people from all circles who have questioned the award.

Second, being able to be diplomatic with world leaders and talking of nuclear disarmament aspirations does not mean appeasement on security issues, I understand if you can not discern the difference.

Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize

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OSLO " The announcement drew gasps of surprise and cries of too much, too soon. Yet President Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday because the judges found his promise of disarmament and diplomacy too good to ignore.

The five-member Norwegian Nobel Committee " four of whom spoke to The Associated Press, said awarding Obama the peace prize could be seen as an early vote of confidence intended to build global support for the policies of his young administration.

They lauded the change in global mood wrought by Obama's calls for peace and cooperation, and praised his pledges to reduce the world stock of nuclear arms, ease U.S. conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthen its role in combating climate change.

Thirdly, the previous quotes were merely meant to illustrate the extreme responses by typical media types. Limbaugh even going so far as to say "we all agree with the Taliban and Iran that Obama does not deserve the award." I mean can you imagine a liberal media type saying something similar in the Bush administration? Terrorist sympathizers would have been the least of the charges.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Obama's attempts at a Middle East Peace is not going well.

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Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has demanded that Israel abide by a 2003 peace "road map" and freeze settlement activity on occupied land where Palestinians hope to build a state. Abbas and Mitchell held talks in the occupied West Bank on Friday.

Doesn't seem the Israelis are ready for peace; they want more land and settlements.

No matter the thread, the anti-Semite CI will get in his cheap, and libelous, shot at Israel. The truth is that Abbas and Palistine never even began to abide by the terms of the Road Map affecting them, which was to denounce suicide bombers and other terror attacks, and dismantle terror groups such as Islamic Jehad and Hamas. Nor did they disarm or revise their charter, which called for the destruction of Israel. Israel properly viewed the agreement as a Road Map to Terror.

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@cicerone imposter,

CI wrote:

more al Qauida leaders have been killed during Obama;s 9 months in office than the eight years of the Bush regime.

To be blunt, you're full of B-S...

Al-Qaeda Leadership captured or killed under Bush

Mohammed Atef killed in November 2001.

Abu Zubaydah arrested in March 2002.
Ramzi Binalshibh captured in September 2002.
Abu Ali al-Harthi killed in Nov 2002

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed captured in March 2003.
Youssef al-Eiery killed 2003

Khaled Ali Haj killed Mar 2004
Abdulaziz al-Muqrin killed Jun 2004
Musaad Aruchi arrested in Karachi in June 2004.
Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani arrested in July 2004.

Abu Faraj Farj al-Liby captured in May 2005.
Saleh al-Awfi killed Aug 2005
Abu Hamza Rabia killed in December 2005.

Muhsin Musa Matwalli Atwah (aka Abdul Rehman), killed in April 2006.
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi killed in June 2006.

Yasser al-Homeiqani killed January 2007
Muhammed Abdullah Abbas al-Issawi killed in April 2007.
Muharib Abdul Latif al-Jubouri killed in May 2007.
Hareg Zoheir killed in October 2007.

Abu Laith al-Libi killed in February 2008
Mohammed Yahya al-Rahmani, known as Abu Mussab, killed in Feb 2008.
Nazal Sabar al-Jughaify, also known as Abu al-Jarrah, in Apr 2008
Aden Hashi Ayro killed May 2008
Abu Suleiman al-Otaibi killed in May 2008.
Abu Khabab al-Masri killed in July 2008
Abu Saeed al-Masri killed in August 2008

Al-Qaeda leadership captured or killed under Obama

Mourad Bouzid, also known as Ami Slimane, killed Feb 2009
Abu Omar al-Baghdadi captured Apr 2009
Baitullah Mehsud killed in Aug 2009
Maulvi Omar, Sep 2009
Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, killed in Sep 2009

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@slkshock7,

Thanks for setting the record straight, slkshock7. Who knows the source of imposter's statement?

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