Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Thu 15 Oct, 2009 10:49 am
Quote:
The Obama administration really needs to get over itself.

First, the president and his aides go to war with Fox News because the network maintains a generally anti-Obama slant.

Then, an anonymous administration aide attacks bloggers for failing to maintain a sufficiently pro-Obama slant.

These are not disconnected developments.

An administration that won the White House with an almost always on-message campaign and generally friendly coverage from old and new media is now frustrated by its inability to control the debate and get the coverage it wants.

But before the president and his inner circle go all Spiro Agnew on us, they might want to consider three fundamental facts regarding relations between the executive branch and the fourth estate:

1. Since the founding of the republic, media outlets (the founders dismissed them as "damnable periodicals") have been partisan.

White House communications director Anita Dunn was not exactly breaking news when she told CNN's "Reliable Sources" that Fox was neither fair nor balanced. "What I think is fair to say about Fox -- and certainly it's the way we view it -- is that it really is more a wing of the Republican Party," grumbled Dunn. "They take their talking points, put them on the air; take their opposition research, put them on the air. And that's fine. But let's not pretend they're a news network the way CNN is."

Fox hosts do go overboard in their savaging of Obama and the Democrats -- sometimes ridiculously so. But their assaults on the president are gentle when compared with the battering that Benjamin Franklin Bache's Philadelphia Aurora administered to John Adams (appropriately) or the trashing that Colonel McCormick's Chicago Tribune gave Franklin Roosevelt (inappropriately).

To suggest that Fox is not a news network simply because Sean Hannity echoes RNC talking points would be like suggesting that the Aurora was not a newspaper because it took cues from Tom Jefferson or that the Tribune was not a legitimate member of the fourth estate because it was sweet on Alf Landon.

2. Presidents are supposed to rise above their own partisanship and engage with a wide range of media -- even outlets that are hard on their administrations.

In fact, presidents should go out of their way to accept invites from media that can be expected to poke, prod and pester them. The willingness to take the hits suggests that a commander-in-chief is not afraid to engage with his critics. It also reminds presidents, who tend to be cloistered, that there are a lot of Americans who get their information from sources that do not buy what the White House press office is selling.

When Dick Cheney kept giving "exclusive" interviews to Fox "personalities," there were those of us who ridiculed both the personalities and the former vice president for going through the ridiculous exercise of lobbing softballs and swinging at them.

Obama should be better than Cheney. But aides are not helping the president prevail in what ought to be an easy competition.

Cheney saw newspapers such as The New York Times and news channels such as CNN as little more than branches of his Democratic opposition.

When Dunn was asked whether the president refused to accept interview requests from Fox because the White House sees the network as "a wing of the Republican party," the communications director responded: "Is this why he did not appear? The answer is yes."

That is such a radically wrong response that it calls into question the whole communications strategy of an administration that has somehow managed to take a man who was elected with a mandate and lodge him in a corner where there are now serious questions about whether a Democratic president and an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress can enact basic elements of the Democratic agenda.

Obama should sit down with Fox reporters and anchors and do interviews. That does not mean that the president has to put up with the emotional wreckage that is Glenn Beck. But there is no reason why he shouldn't go another round with Bill O'Reilly (as Obama did during the 2008 campaign) or sit down with Chris Wallace (as Bill Clinton did).

If the Fox interviewers are absurdly unfair, the American people will respond with appropriate consternation. On the other hand, if they are aggressive and pointed in their challenges, Obama will rise or fall on the quality of his responses. His aides, if they have any faith in their man's abilities, should bend over backwards to accept some Fox interviews. They should also accept an invite from PBS' Bill Moyers, who would pose tougher " and, yes, more informed -- questions than the Foxbots.

3. The worst mistake a president or his administration can make is to try and "whip" relatively like-minded writers and reporters into line.

Yet, that appears to be what the Obama team was trying to do with the silly "policing action" of having a White House "adviser," speaking on condition of anonymity, encourage liberal bloggers to "take off their pajamas" and get serious about politics. On Sunday, when gay rights marchers challenged the Obama administration to make real the equality rhetoric of the president, NBC White House correspondent John Harwood:


For a sign of how seriously the White House does or doesn't take this opposition, one adviser told me today those bloggers need to take off their pajamas, get dressed and realize that governing a closely-divided country is complicated and difficult.

Harwood told Huffington Post:


My comments quoting an Obama adviser about liberal bloggers/pajamas weren't about the LGBT community or the marchers. They referred more broadly to those grumbling on the left about an array of issues in addition to gay rights, including the war in Afghanistan and health care and Guantanamo -- and whether all that added up to trouble with Obama's liberal base...

The bloggers took offense. The White House tried to "disassociate" itself from the comment. But that's standard operating procedure: toss the bomb and then avoid the fallout.

The bloggers shouldn't be worried.

They should take the criticism as a compliment -- as Fox's ratings show, White House griping harms the White House more than it does the target of the complaint.

The bloggers should also take the criticism as confirmation that they are right when they suggest that this administration is increasingly out of touch with the progressive base that secured Obama the Democratic nomination and ultimately propelled him to the White House.

The fact is that the results of the 2008 election did not reveal "a closely-divided country." Obama arrived at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with the most muscular mandate accorded any Democrat since Lyndon Johnson's 1964 landslide.

The bloggers are right when they argue that the Obama administration can and should be doing more with that mandate.

As for the Obama administration, whether the grumbling is about Republicans on Fox or bloggers in pajamas, there's a word for what the president and his aides are doing. That word is "whining." And nothing -- no attack by Glenn Beck, no blogger busting about Guantanamo -- does more damage to Obama's credibility or authority than the sense that a popular president is becoming the whiner-in-chief.

Note the source: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/483551/whiner_in_chief
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Fri 16 Oct, 2009 03:10 pm
Check this out: http://www.magazine.org/asme/2009-best-magazine-cover-winners-finalists.aspx

One of the categories is "The Best Obama Magazine Cover of The Year"

Apparently pictures of both men and women can fall under "The Sexiest Magazine Cover of The Year," and Technology and Nature have to share a single category. Even News and Business must share a category.

Obama though can't share his category with other Politicians, World Leaders or other Messiahs, he needs his own!

But I guess he did have to share the category with his wife, his kids and the family dog.

Priceless.
snood
 
  2  
Fri 16 Oct, 2009 10:28 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Check this out: http://www.magazine.org/asme/2009-best-magazine-cover-winners-finalists.aspx

One of the categories is "The Best Obama Magazine Cover of The Year"

Apparently pictures of both men and women can fall under "The Sexiest Magazine Cover of The Year," and Technology and Nature have to share a single category. Even News and Business must share a category.

Obama though can't share his category with other Politicians, World Leaders or other Messiahs, he needs his own!

But I guess he did have to share the category with his wife, his kids and the family dog.

Priceless.


You sound jealous.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Sat 17 Oct, 2009 03:16 am
@snood,
To you perhaps...
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 17 Oct, 2009 10:54 am
@slkshock7,
I wrote:
Quote:
I know you lack reading skills and comprehension, but more Taliban/al Quida leaders have been killed in the past nine months than during the eight years of GWBush.


I didn't say anything about "captured." It's about ratio; number of years vs numbers killed.

You lack comprehension; how many were killed by US forces?
slkshock7
 
  0  
Sat 17 Oct, 2009 06:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
CI, don't try to use Clinton-like linguistics gymnastics to explain away what you really said...you simply don't have sufficient command of the language.
realjohnboy
 
  2  
Sat 17 Oct, 2009 07:35 pm
President Obama went to a college football game today. He will win the Heismann Trophy on Monday.
maporsche
 
  1  
Sat 17 Oct, 2009 07:41 pm
@realjohnboy,
LOL
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 17 Oct, 2009 08:24 pm
@slkshock7,
Nothing like answering my questions.
slkshock7
 
  0  
Sat 17 Oct, 2009 09:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Sighhh....OK, CI break out your fingers, toes and noses...the math gets at little complicated here.

How many Taliban/Al Qaeda leaders were killed under GW Bush? 20
How many Taliban/Al Qaeda leaders were killed under Obama? 4

4 is less than 20 therefore you are clearly wrong when you state that ""more Taliban/al Quida leaders have been killed in the past nine months than during the eight years of GWBush."

The math is not difficult here and you said nothing initally about ratios...If you want to talk about ratios be fair and take away Bush's first year before the war even began. Also consider the ramp up time and intell gathering required to get our forces to where they can be as effective as they are today. In fact to compare apples to apples, the best you can do is compare the last year of Bush to the first year of Obama. That's when the intelligence gathering capabilities and war fighting strengths are most comparable.

If anything, Obama's intell capabilities are even better than Bush's. After all, Obama had another year to develop these sources. Of course we mustn't neglect his Nobel-peace prize winning charm that will and perhaps already has caused terrorists and friendlies alike to swoon and give up their weapons and intelligence to the anti-Bush.

So lets just compare Bush's successes in 2008 vs Obama's in 2009. That would be 6 killed in the Bush column and 3 in Obama's column. Darn...how about that.....Obama has only been half as successful.
okie
 
  0  
Sat 17 Oct, 2009 10:54 pm
Mr. Louden on Obama's Marxist links. It makes fascinating reading, and many of the names we have now become familiar with are common in the article, such as the Jarretts, Frank Marshal Davis, Bill Ayers, Van Jones, and many many others. Also included in the article, I had forgotten the "New Party," which Obama joined at one point. One has to wonder if the mainstream media is just dumb and don't see these things staring them in the face, or are they also complicit as well. Of course, my post here will be pooh poohed by liberals, but if anyone, anyone cares, they too can start taking note of all the shady characters around Obama now and in his past and begin to connect the dots.

Oh I just noticed Carol Mosely Braun in the article, wasn't her winning a senate seat one of the events that launched Obama's career in earnest?

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/obamas-numerous-links-with-international-marxism-exposed/

"MR. LOUDON: In the 40s they included William and Louise Patterson, Ishmael Flory, Claude Lightfoot, Frank Marshall Davis and Oscar Brown. Vernon Jarrett (father-in-law of Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett) and future Chicago mayor Harold Washington were close to the network as was future Obama friend Timuel Black and close Obama associates: former Illinois State Senator Alice Palmer and one term Illinois Senator Carol Moseley Braun."
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okie
 
  0  
Sat 17 Oct, 2009 11:04 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche, you and other pretty fair minded individuals in this country, perhaps another example rjb, it is up to guys like you to recognize the truly dire circumstances brought upon us by the really far out leftists that are now making up this current administration. I believe you think of yourselves as fair minded more or less middle of the road Americans, and I think you are very good citizens, but it is up to guys like you to really examine how far do you really want to follow the extreme left in this country? I don't know just how much more you may be suspicioning that guys like me may have some very good points, that the warnings we are shouting about may be very very valid. Do you really recognize the potential danger of what we are dealing with in regard to this current administration?

I have never been a conspiracy theorist, but I do think this is the first president in my entire lifetime that I think we have more issues with than mere disagreement. Even Clinton, I think he was very corrupt, but I don't think he had as many strange connections and ties to openly Marxist people. His principle interest was enjoying the power of the office and playboying around, but perhaps Obama has much larger illusions of grandeur?
okie
 
  0  
Sat 17 Oct, 2009 11:18 pm
@okie,
The point I am making here for anyone that reads this, if you voted for Obama, unless you consider yourself a Marxist, you really need to take a step back and re-examine Obama in terms of his past, his friends and associates, and how he got to where he is. I do believe we have more than simply a guy that talks good and wants to bring people together and enact a few liberal policies. He is a whole lot more than that, and you need to really study the guy and be intellectually honest about him. As I said, unless you really sympathize with the most ultra leftists that there are, I think you are making a very bad mistake to buy into what this guy is trying to do.
Diest TKO
 
  1  
Sun 18 Oct, 2009 05:14 am
@okie,
okie wrote:
I have never been a conspiracy theorist...

Perhaps just the print master for the yellow papers?

T
K
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Diest TKO
 
  2  
Sun 18 Oct, 2009 05:31 am
@okie,
Okie - This is absurd. You think that one must be a marxist to be in support of Obama? This is such a misguided, ignorant, and narrow view of the world.

I think you're incredibly insecure. You've gone beyond simple disagreement. You can't conceive of a world where the people who support a different plan than you can't be doing so for sincere and informed reasons. You think you know better than they do. If I am to believe you, you know Obama's intentions better than everyone else. Why do you think you're so enlightened? What information do you think you hold that others don't?

It's time for you to entertain the notion that you've wandered off. I don't think you have to like or approve of Obama, but I think it's reasonable to expect your criticisms to be rational/logical.

T
K
O
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maporsche
 
  1  
Sun 18 Oct, 2009 06:37 am
@okie,
Okie, I would take your points much more seriously if they weren't taken to the extreme most of the time.

Obama hasn't done anything (of consequence) yet to advance whatever his agenda (hidden or public) is. So when I see you claim that he's a marxist or that he's ruining the country, I just don't see where he's done that. He hasn't done much of anything!

The stimulus bill was by far his largest 'acheivement' (if you can call it that); and that was done with the support of both houses; so I can't place the blame there solely on democrats or Obama (however, they do get the majority of blame, or credit, if it works (which it hasn't)).

I do read most of your posts; and while I do not agree with the extremes you like to post from, I do make a very, very, honest effort to understand your (and your fellow like-minded thinkers) points of view and I consider the policies that my elected representitives are taking while looking through your POV.
Advocate
 
  1  
Sun 18 Oct, 2009 08:56 am
@realjohnboy,
He will soon be in the NBA Hall of Fame.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sun 18 Oct, 2009 02:26 pm
The right think Obama is an ideological Typhoid Mary
Quote:
Liberals loathed Bush, but we didn't invoke fantastical fabrications or root our arguments in metaphor instead of fact

[...]

There's a long history here, which is bound up in everything from the two sides' different definitions of patriotism " "my country right or wrong" versus "I want to improve my country because I love it" " to religion to militarism to cosmopolitanism to a thousand other things. Every American presidential campaign, on some level, is about the Republican trying to frighten people into believing that the Democrat doesn't share "your values" and the Democrat trying to reassure people that he does. So, for conservatives, Obama is not just a guy whose views they vehemently disagree with. He's an ideological Typhoid Mary, a carrier of unknowable and barely comprehensible infections.

That is qualitatively different from liberal hatred of Bush. It is also, to be blunt, paranoid " because it's rooted in metaphorical narrative far more than in fact. And that means facts can never win an argument. Obama could leave office in January 2017 with the capitalist economy roaring and American power and security enhanced and these voters would still believe we'd escaped state ownership of everything and one-world government by a whisker. It's been part of the psychology of the American right for decades, and it sure won't be dissipating as long as Obama is in office.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Sun 18 Oct, 2009 03:02 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The most interesting thing about the article you referenced Walter was the author's blindness to the fact that, in his (rather transparent) arguments, he presented an excellent example of the blind insularity and solipsism that he was criticizing in others. A rational person simply can't take that stuff seriously.
spendius
 
  1  
Sun 18 Oct, 2009 04:57 pm
@georgeob1,
You continually forget George that people are not rational. Which is an irrational thing to do.
 

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