Obama '08?

@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

The way its worded it could be read either way.

And that is scary.
What happened to the "clear, concise, plain english" they promised.

Who is 'they?' I'm pretty sure the House Democrats didn't promise that.

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And what will stop a future admin from changing the way any section of the bill is interpreted, just to suit themselves?

Pff, nothing. What country do you think this is? Any future admin can 'interpret' the law differently. This is entirely consistent with the history of American legislation.

Cycloptichorn

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What is really frightening is how wedded so many left-wing Americans are to anything and everything Obama says.

He can say anything and these folks will find reason to support him.

God forbid, of course, you find fault with anything he says...you are evil, pure and simple.

Fortunately these Obamaniacs are not the deciding factor in American politics.

It's still early in his presidency and a lot can happen, but right now he is floundering, beset by both the right and the left.

How could this have happened to The Expected One?

Did he not have the mole of the prophet?

Enron advisor Paul Krugman has all but thrown him to the gutter.

How sweet.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

What is really frightening is how wedded so many left-wing Americans are to anything and everything Obama says.

He can say anything and these folks will find reason to support him.

God forbid, of course, you find fault with anything he says...you are evil, pure and simple.

Fortunately these Obamaniacs are not the deciding factor in American politics.

It's still early in his presidency and a lot can happen, but right now he is floundering, beset by both the right and the left.

How could this have happened to The Expected One?

Did he not have the mole of the prophet?

Enron advisor Paul Krugman has all but thrown him to the gutter.

How sweet.

I guess it all depends on what you're paying attention to, Finn. For instance, in my last post about Obama I talked about how pissed I was at his namby-pamby approach to negotiating for his healthcare bill. It would take a very convoluted interpretation to see that as being "married to anything he says".

And one could see his struggles in more than one light, as well. The Republicans of course choose to see them as the death knell for the anointed one, or whatever. But,

-If he gets through a healthcare bill that has just some of the cost control - just half of the reforms he wants, he will still be able to claim it as a resounding victory, after more than 30 years of talking about healthcare reform with nothing happening.

He can already make a factually convincing claim to stopping the slide in the economy by pointing to a revival in the stock market and job creation.

Afghanistan is still up in the air, but if his troop increases work within a year, that along with the stabilization of Pakistan could be considered foreign policy wins.

Wouldn't those things spell a very solid position for democrats in the 2010 midterms?

You could be right, I suppose - maybe "the expected one", as you say is floundering and how sweet for the haters.

But I think the "floundering" amounts to nothing more than popularity polls and the wishful thinking of haters like you. And how important or reliable are those?

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I took the time to cut and paste this just for you Finn old boy...
even though you probably won't read it and if you do you won't understand it, I'm sure some others here might appreciate it...

There's a simple explanation why people challenge the president's citizenship, bring guns to public rallies when the second amendment is not on the table and obstruct legislation that we all agree needs to be fixed, for obstruction's sake: They're afraid that their heritage is being minimized and that's a difficult position to rationalize when you've been top dog for 400 years.

How can anyone label a man who’s a minority a Nazi? When I think Nazi, my mind returns white folks who have traditionally perceived themselves as better than the rest of us for no reason other than their skin is a different color. How the mulatto from Hawaii became the poster boy for Nazism is beyond logical explanation unless we acknowledge that fear is the engine behind the argument.

What is being played out publicly with this presidency is what black men have been saying since black men have been allowed to talk publicly in this country. Many of our fellow Americans have been brainwashed to believe that we cannot be trusted. In order to prove we're capable, honest and patriotic we must outperform our white counterparts at a clip that's 4-1. You juggle three balls, we have to juggle 12. You have a BA, we need two PhDs. You hit a home-run, we need to hit a grand slam.

Even if President Obama gets nothing done during his presidency other than stabilizing the economy, it's a tremendous improvement from the ignorant, lazy guy who preceded him. You know, that guy we allowed to lie, cheat and steal. The one who bankrupted the country and entered us into a false war that has made the world hate us. We gave that guy the benefit of the doubt. He didn't even have to apologize for his transgressions.

We just accepted his excuses and allowed him to ride off into the sunset unscathed despite his tremendous failures to the American people.

On the flip side, President Obama says it was stupid for a police officer to arrest a senior citizen in his own house who wasn't breaking any laws and right-wingers aren't happy without a fleet of mia culpas. If you consider that equal treatment, you must be the type of person who's used to making black people move to the back of the bus so you can sit down in the front.

When President Obama has the kind of leeway to screw up that we afforded the imbecile before him, then we can say we've made some major progress toward a raceless society. In the meantime, the most constructive thing he can do is enjoy a brief respite in my happy place because there's a lot more work to be done come September.

-from a blog by Orlando Lima, owner of Limachips, a web development company

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@snood,

Well Snood....that was just a bunch of crap. I'm sorry for you that you feel that post was worth your time; it wasn't, nor mine.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

Well Snood....that was just a bunch of crap. I'm sorry for you that you feel that post was worth your time; it wasn't, nor mine.

Nah, there's some truth in the post. It may not be to the level the author says it is, but his basic points are all correct.

Cycloptichorn

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@snood,

snood, That only touches the surface of how many in this country look at Obama vs Bush, and only a "minority" of us are able to see the contradictions and inconsistencies in how they look at both presidencies. We're never going to change their minds, because they fail to see the reality of what it's like to live in the US as a minority. Been there, done that!

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@cicerone imposter,

Are you talking about how republicans view both presidencies? Because if so, the contridictions are not in the President's race, it's in their politics.

I'd be curious to know if you see any contridictions w/in democrat's views between the two presidencies.

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@Cycloptichorn,

agreed.

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@snood,

I for one will not forget the Imbeciles who were in office before him. I am not pleased with Obamas soft approach to the republicans who showed they werent for the common man. Who cares what they think. All they do is fear monger and critisize government without offering any rational alternatives. The democrates have shown themselves to be without any backbone but I will watch health care and vote for whoever is for it.

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http://spectator.org/archives/2009/08/24/obamas-plan-to-desecrate-911

"Obama's Plan to Desecrate 9/11
By Matthew Vadum on 8.24.09 @ 6:08AM

The Obama White House is behind a cynical, coldly calculated political effort to erase the meaning of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks from the American psyche and convert Sept. 11 into a day of leftist celebration and statist idolatry.

This effort to reshape the American psyche has nothing to do with healing the nation and everything to do with easing the nation along in the ongoing radical transformation of America that President Obama promised during last year's election campaign. The president signed into law a measure in April that designated Sept. 11 as a National Day of Service, but it's not likely many lawmakers thought this meant that day was going to be turned into a celebration of ethanol, carbon emission controls, and radical community organizing.

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@okie,

Lol, what a bunch of hyperventilating crap.

As if 9/11 belongs to any one group... a National day of service is a good way to remind folks of the stuff worth preserving.

Really, you guys need to calm down a bit.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

Okie, the president urged people to volunteer in the spirit of 9/11. Do you have a problem with this:

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The President gave a broad and passionate speech on the power of volunteers to transform lives and tackle deep-rooted social problems. Recalling the heroism of the first responders and the outpouring of compassion Americans displayed after the terror attacks, the President urged American to rekindle that spirit of neighbor helping neighbor that was so strong after 9/11.

“Volunteerism is strong in the country. But the truth of the matter is, the farther we’ve gotten away from 9/11, that memory has begun to fade,” the President said. “And my call to people is, there’s always a need. You should be volunteering not because of 9/11, but you should be volunteering because our country needs you on a regular basis. And so today I call upon our fellow citizens to devote 4,000 hours over your lifetime in service to your country. You’ll become a better person for it, and our society will be more healthy as a result of it.”

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

Okie, the president urged people to volunteer in the spirit of 9/11. Do you have a problem with this:

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The President gave a broad and passionate speech on the power of volunteers to transform lives and tackle deep-rooted social problems. Recalling the heroism of the first responders and the outpouring of compassion Americans displayed after the terror attacks, the President urged American to rekindle that spirit of neighbor helping neighbor that was so strong after 9/11.

“Volunteerism is strong in the country. But the truth of the matter is, the farther we’ve gotten away from 9/11, that memory has begun to fade,” the President said. “And my call to people is, there’s always a need. You should be volunteering not because of 9/11, but you should be volunteering because our country needs you on a regular basis. And so today I call upon our fellow citizens to devote 4,000 hours over your lifetime in service to your country. You’ll become a better person for it, and our society will be more healthy as a result of it.”

Yes, I have a problem with "this." It is nothing more than a cloaked push to encourage support of his little minions like ACORN and all the rest of his crap. People are already volunteering for many worthy causes, and just in case you don't know, Republicans donate to charitable causes more than Democrats do.

I think rather the day should be dedicated to the brave men and women that have battled terror acts on many fronts, the military, the CIA, etc. It would be nice to actually give credit to the CIA and terror interrogation people than investigating them and trying to prosecute them. I would suggest to Obama to investigate his own cabinet and his czars and all the corruption that is rampant.

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@maporsche,

There are varying degrees of how people view both presidents - whether they are left or the right. I couldn't begin to guess how all lefties view Bush or Obama, and how all righties view them.

I speak only as one independent, and see Bush as a disaster for our country. His famous retort, "I'm a uniter, not a divider" is not only a big joke, but has split this country in ways I never thought possible. He also lost many of our international allies during his eight years in office, and we all know about his "if you're not with us, you're against us" rhetoric. Bush is not only dumb, but a danger to the whole world. He was the best recruiter for al Qaida, and bin Ladin thanked allah for Bush.

If you've been reading any of my posts on Obama, you should know that I have many disagreements with his initiatives and deficit spending. I believe some of the spending was necessary, but he went too far at a time when our federal deficit grows at a pace that will put our currency in danger, and forfeit our children's future. I believe Obama is fiscally irresponsible.

I worry about our economic future.

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@okie,

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Yes, I have a problem with "this." It is nothing more than a cloaked push to encourage support of his little minions like ACORN and all the rest of his crap. People are already volunteering for many worthy causes, and just in case you don't know, Republicans donate to charitable causes more than Democrats do.

So, go volunteer at the VA or the VFW or whatever. Nobody is asking you to do anything you don't want to do.

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I think rather the day should be dedicated to the brave men and women that have battled terror acts on many fronts, the military, the CIA, etc. It would be nice to actually give credit to the CIA and terror interrogation people than investigating them and trying to prosecute them. I would suggest to Obama to investigate his own cabinet and his czars and all the corruption that is rampant.

We already have that for the military; it's called Veterans day.

'CIA Interrogators day?' What the **** is wrong with you, Okie?

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

okie wrote:

joefromchicago wrote:

Okie, the president urged people to volunteer in the spirit of 9/11. Do you have a problem with this:

Quote:
The President gave a broad and passionate speech on the power of volunteers to transform lives and tackle deep-rooted social problems. Recalling the heroism of the first responders and the outpouring of compassion Americans displayed after the terror attacks, the President urged American to rekindle that spirit of neighbor helping neighbor that was so strong after 9/11.

“Volunteerism is strong in the country. But the truth of the matter is, the farther we’ve gotten away from 9/11, that memory has begun to fade,” the President said. “And my call to people is, there’s always a need. You should be volunteering not because of 9/11, but you should be volunteering because our country needs you on a regular basis. And so today I call upon our fellow citizens to devote 4,000 hours over your lifetime in service to your country. You’ll become a better person for it, and our society will be more healthy as a result of it.”

Yes, I have a problem with "this." It is nothing more than a cloaked push to encourage support of his little minions like ACORN and all the rest of his crap.

Really? I didn't know George W. Bush had minions like ACORN. He is, after all, the president who first called for a national day of service on 9/11/08 and whose position you're criticizing.

Funny, though, I don't seem to recall you lashing out at Bush last year. Probably just an oversight on your part.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Happy Torturers Day everybody! I think we should have it on December 25th, just to be consistently ironic with the lies are truth, war is peace, hate is love crowd.

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@Cycloptichorn,

okie is a psycho. His politics made him vacate his brain (like the Bush gang) about what America is all about.

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