Obama '08?

what RJB said.

I dont know, do you?
Do you have a legal permit to carry a weapon, or is the law such in your state that you can openly carry a weapon in public?



Simple, its legal to do so I am going to do it.

THIS IS INSANITY.
We are calmly discussing the different aspects and perspectives about BRINGING LOADED WEAPONS TO PRESIDENTIAL EVENTS.
I'm trying to imagine a scenario where I would be allowed - strapped, with anti-Bush slogans blaring, within a few dozen feet of George Bush. I can't imagine it. Do you know why? Because THE SECRET SERVICE WOULDN'T EVEN LET PROTESTERS GET WITHIN A COUPLE OF HUNDRED YARDS OF A PRESIDENTIAL EVENT during that time.

I am flabbergasted. Will mysteryman still be talking about their legal right to bear arms at these healthcare events if one of these angry people happens to shoot someone there? How about if that someone happens to be the POTUS? Absolute insanity.


On another note,
I am pissed and disappointed at Obama. By flying a public option as integral to any meaningful healthcare reform right up until late July, then knuckling under when the Republicans draw a line there, he is acting like a big weak punk. I am SICK of him "reaching out" to Republicans like Grassley, who all but spit in his face, and mewling about some commitment to "bipartisanship". We elected a liberal-leaning president with bold sounding initiative, a Democrat majority house and a filibuster-proof Senate majority because we wanted the ideas to go into effect that he was espousing so eloquently. If he folds on healthcare, he folds on one of the tentpoles to his whole game - no meaningful healthcare reform means his economic plans go south. If the biggest most important initiative in his domestic agenda is compromised full of holes, he risks losing the confidence of his so-far very loyal base.

This whole namby-pamby refusal to fight for a public healthcare option that would truly make insurers compete is the first time I've had real doubts about this man. I know he has to play by the stinking rules of political Washington, but I'd rather he lost this fight swinging than get some empty showcase victory by begging Republicans who have already sold their souls.

How do I know? What a stupid question. You just haven't learned how to tell the difference between lies and outright lies. FYI, misinformation are lies.

snood, do you seriously think he is being honest about this? Everyone knows Obama wants single payer universal health care. He is only using ploys, trying to use trickery, to get something through, that something will be designed with the devil in the details to go toward the ultimate end game down the road, which is single payer universal health care. Don't believe it when he seems to contradict and change directions all the time, that is his method of operation.

For example, lets take the mail and package delivery industry, Obama could say I want UPS and FedEx to compete or be the providers of delivering mail and packages, either along with the Postal Service or without it, but if he places so many regulations or stipulations to either cripple, paralyze, or nationalize UPS and FedEx, it makes no difference in the long run, he ends up with what he wants, a system run by and dictated by the federal government.

I am sometimes amazed at the naivity of people trying to explain or figure out what Obama is doing. It is obvious by your comments that you have never understood Obama's mindset ever.

What is this about, this is weird.

I never thought I would agree with KKK Robert Byrd:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/15/obamas-czars-draw-criticism-sides-political-aisle/

Obama's Czars Draw Criticism From Both Sides of the Political Aisle
By some accounts, Obama has nearly three dozen czars in his administration, managing everything from closing the Guantanamo Bay detention facility to ending the genocide in Darfur.

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"The accumulation of power by White House staff can threaten the Constitutional system of checks and balances," Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W. Va., wrote in a letter to Obama.

okie, The balance of power was broken under GWBush. He broke both domestic and international laws, and the other two branches of government didn't do anything.

Baloney, Bush was trustworthy, no way is Obama.
If you can stand the goofy guy explaining it all, this is an interesting video:

It's not our fault you still haven't digested all the Bush lies.
Here's a start: http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+lies&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS310US311

FYI, the title is "Biggest Bush Lies." If you believe Bush was more trustworthy, your brain has left your body a long time ago.

George W. Bush was a good man, yessir, he was. Live with it. You know the biggest spin of all time, WMD, even Valerie Plame the so-called expert on this subject in the CIA feared for the soldiers lives when they entered Iraq, she thought WMD may be used on them. I understand she wrote it in her own book. Proof that Bush did not make it up. But of course, the liberals will contine to spin and lie about that issue until their dying day, because they decided to hate Bush, or any other conservative for that matter.

Bush made it up; all the people who worked in intelligence did not support Saddam had WMDs, because it was based on one Iraqi without any evidence or confirmation by anybody else.

Nobody should be starting any war on unconfirmed intelligence.

Plame's fear didn't have any effect on anyone except herself. She was not in the Bush administration.

Total barrack-room lawyer drivel. The intelligence was in your face from way back. Saddam was a one man WMD.

What was your policy? Crossing your fingers?

Bush and Cheney, both oil men, went into Iraq to grab its oil. They failed, of course.

Then you admit that the left/liberals lied all during the Bush admin?

Remember the claim from the left that the repubs wanted to end medicare?
Or that Bush wanted to totally privatize social security.
Or that the repubs are for dirty air and water.
Or that Bush 1 went to Iran to make a secret deal (the October surprise)
Or the Dan Rather forged documents fiasco just before the election in 2004.

I can go on, but you get the point.

Before you can accuse the right of misinformation, you must admit that the left is just as guilty.

And you have of course polled EVERY intelligence analyst, from EVERY allied country, to know this for a fact?

I don't suppose there's a chance he understands the political realities better than you? Politicians who "lose swinging" are easy to find. Your country needs nationwide health care already. Have some faith, man. This one's a marathon.

Is that also the reason we went into Afghanistan? And is that Obama's reason for ramping up things there now? After all, that is the leftist mantra, blood for oil, isn't that right, Advocate?

His own MySpace page says he is 52.
That means Hawaii was not a state when he was born...

http://www.myspace.com/barackobama

So, how can his own page get it wrong?

Yeah, there's a chance of that, but no need to be snide old buddy. There are thousands of people who were equally up in arms at Obama for his waffling on this, and it appears from everything I'm reading and watching that their grassroots agitation has pulled the public option back from under the bus. I have a lot of faith and patience...
and right now healthcare is just too important an issue to be casual about.

Do me a favor, 'kay? Save your advice for me until I ask you for it.