Obama '08?

@cicerone imposter,

ci -I'm not even asking you to learn to spell the name 'aidan' correctly - all I'm asking you to do is copy the same five letters that are at the top of every single one of my posts instead of inventing new ones.

I don't answer posts directed at someone called 'aiden' unless it's something I feel particularly interested in or passionate about.

But I've been too well-brought up to simply ignore you, which I find inexcusably rude to do to people, so I'm letting you know why I won't respond to your posts.

And I have no problem, except that this kind of **** is creating the world that we all have to live in - Democrats and republicans and everyone in between and outside of those two groups.

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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

Is there a principle of business ethics that says that the conservatives were privileged/entitled to capitalizing on that specific demand?

This should have read: Is there a principle of business ethics that says that the conservatives were privileged/entitled to capitalizing on that specific demand EXCLUSIVELY?

In other words, can conservatives call dibs on a market demand? Is that a reasonable expectation in your mind?

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I do not attend political rallies, but I think selling in a store and selling at a political rally are two different environments, so I agree with aidan, a political rally may imply support for a candidate. For all I know, selling the items is for raising money for that candidate, and in fact I would almost expect that. If that is not the case, that this is purely driven for making a profit, I am wrong, but I do think many people attending a rally would see an implied support of a candidate by buying the political stuff.

So I think this discussion merely shows that Democrats will use bait and switch or deceit to further their own goals. The end justifies the means.

And no self respecting Republican or conservative would make money by selling Obama stuff at an Obama rally. I believe in capitalism, but I also believe that ethics are crucial for the success of capitalism. Freedom without responsibility is doomed to failure. A good and fair transaction is one in which both parties benefit from the transaction, and are totally honest and above board in the representation of what is being sold or purchased. I have no use for those that are out to fool and cheat anyone they can out of a buck. It is troubling to see all the scams and scam artists out there today.

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@Diest TKO,

I said nothing about expecting a refund.

My chagrin or distaste had mostly to do with your reaction to her behavior. I found laughing at the fact that others were deceived into spending their money at a certain place reprehensible.

Those McCain supporters were the dupes that first she, and then you - were laughing at. And if you didn't feel they were duped -why then were you laughing SOOOO hard?

They were deceived and duped albeit into buying a product they may have very well wanted- although from a person who was using them as a punchline to her joke.

I don't think people should treat other people as jokes.

Sue me.

And I think deception in advertising - pretending to be something you're not so people will buy your product- is an unfortunate and dishonest business practice.

And as I said to ci - we all have to live in this society where honesty in business is now accepted and even expected to go by the wayside- and I don't like to see it applauded or upheld by anyone.

I've never been one to say - 'Well they can do it - why can't we'....that's sophomoric bullshit.

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@aidan,

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Your father I wager believed in providing people with a quality product that they wanted. When your father retired it was in a time of massive deregulation and corporate carte blanche (Reagan and Bush) in that era, we started to see the shift from the customer having the power to a system where the business has the power because the business gets to control the market and gets to tell you what you want.

My father was the vice president of finance of a multinational corporation. Deregulation and corporate carte blanche worked to his advantage in his position.
He could not stomach working with a new breed of 'colleague' who had no business integrity. He'd done his years, with integrity, and called it a day. The day after he quit - he was a different man. He'd have died of despair and a heart attack if he'd had to work with the people he saw coming in who were making the words 'businessman' and/or 'executive' synonymous with 'thief'.

He spoke of this twenty years ago - and now every day common citizens believe deception in business is to be expected. He's right about a lot of things and he was right about this too. Damn it's a slippery slope- deception and dishonesty in sales entirely separate from cheating....semantics....that's where it all begins

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@aidan,

You didn't answer the question though. Are conservative entitled to that market exclusively?

I can laugh if I want aidan. It's not so much that these people got "duped," as much as it shows that was poetic when juxtaposed against what the conservative on this forum were saying then and even still now.

You act like these people are victims? They got exactly what they wanted. They felt very smug with their purchase, and just because the vendor got to walk away feeling just as smug, doesn't make her a crook.

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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

doesn't make her a crook.

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Perhaps not a crook, but it does make her something of a fraud.

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@aidan,

aidan wrote:

Damn it's a slippery slope- deception and dishonesty in sales entirely separate from cheating....semantics....that's where it all begins

You're playing semantics here aidan.

You've changed the goal post for cheating. You can't identify a single rule that the woman broke.

Beyond that, you insult my integrity. If you feel you are so qualified to comment on the matter based on my amusement, perhaps you find that standard to come back to bite you.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
doesn't make her a crook.

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Perhaps not a crook, but it does make her something of a fraud.

Somebody was accusing me of semantics...

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@Diest TKO,

Well, what if you go to ACE Hardware and buy something, only to find out later the sign on the store was wrong, it was TRUE Value instead? You got the product you paid for, but the merchant was a fraud.

I don't know about you, but I do buy stuff from stores for more reason than what I am buying. I go to one store in particular because I like the owner. If there is any problem, I know he makes it good. He is what he says he is, and he takes care of his customers, and everybody in town knows it.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Well, what if you go to ACE Hardware and buy something, only to find out later the sign on the store was wrong, it was TRUE Value instead? You got the product you paid for, but the merchant was a fraud.

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@Diest TKO,

To follow up my above post, I don't buy stuff from some people, simply because I don't want to help their business, which I may think is not a good business, I don't think they are honest. Car dealers are good examples, there is one I won't darken their door, regardless of price, because I don't like their fraudulant advertising practices.

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@okie,

If I paid for a Vaughn hammer, and it turned out to be a True Value house brand, indeed it was a fraud. Otherwise, how so?

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@roger,

Let's assume for a moment that the owner of the store that okie frequents nods and agrees with okie as okie rants about Obama. Then when okie leaves the owner uncovers his "HOPE" poster. Does that make the owner fraudulent in your eyes okie? Or is he just practicing "the customer is always right"?

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@parados,

No, dummy, the store I am talking about is selling hardware, not political junk. As I said, if the store had an ACE Hardware sign outside, and I went in and bought some hardware because of what the sign was representing, and it turned out to be not an ACE Hardware outlet, yes, that store would be fraudulant in how it represented itself. Same with the person hawking political stuff, if she represented herself as a McCain supporter but is not, that makes her a dishonest and phony person, doing business under false pretenses.

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@okie,

What difference does it make to have a store sign and why you would go into that store to buy something? How does that store have products that is supposed to be an Ace brand selling them? Think, if that's possible.

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@aidan,

aidan wrote:

Quote:
Your father I wager believed in providing people with a quality product that they wanted. When your father retired it was in a time of massive deregulation and corporate carte blanche (Reagan and Bush) in that era, we started to see the shift from the customer having the power to a system where the business has the power because the business gets to control the market and gets to tell you what you want.

My father was the vice president of finance of a multinational corporation. Deregulation and corporate carte blanche worked to his advantage in his position.
He could not stomach working with a new breed of 'colleague' who had no business integrity. He'd done his years, with integrity, and called it a day. The day after he quit - he was a different man. He'd have died of despair and a heart attack if he'd had to work with the people he saw coming in who were making the words 'businessman' and/or 'executive' synonymous with 'thief'.

He spoke of this twenty years ago - and now every day common citizens believe deception in business is to be expected. He's right about a lot of things and he was right about this too. Damn it's a slippery slope- deception and dishonesty in sales entirely separate from cheating....semantics....that's where it all begins

Your father knew the difference between 'legal' and 'ethical'. There are many 'legal' practices that are 'unethical'. There was a time when most people valued their reputation as much as they valued anything, and a time when most people were not willing to compromise a strong consciousness of right and wrong just to make a profit. There was a time when a person's word or a hand shake was as good as a signed contract.

The particular instance of a fraudulent campaign worker is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, but it does say something about her and those who condone that sort of thing.

Whether or not one is religious, Luke 16:10 contains a pertinent universal truth:
"Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much."

I bet your Dad was one of those really wierd types who measured character by how one behaved even if he wouldn't get caught or punished.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

What difference does it make to have a store sign .......... Think, if that's possible.

Does that not say it all about cicerone imposter?????? Need we know anything more!!!!!

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@okie,

No, it shows your depth of knowledge is nil.

You shouldn't take anything I post out of context. What I wrote:

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What difference does it make to have a store sign and why you would go into that store to buy something? How does that store have products that is supposed to be an Ace brand selling them? Think, if that's possible.

HINT: Do you know how many different stores sell Craftsman tools? Do you know which store brand makes those? How about all those household products with their own store's name on them produced by the same factory as those brand names we are all familiar with?

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@okie,

okie wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

What difference does it make to have a store sign .......... Think, if that's possible.

Does that not say it all about cicerone imposter?????? Need we know anything more!!!!!

Well, while I'm aware you don't share his opinion, I note that you didn't answer the question as to what actual difference it makes.

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