Obama '08?

Source: CBO, July 14, 2009

How can you claim such an asinine idea when GW Bush did nothing about illegals for eight years, and the numbers of illegal continued to increase?

Republicans Warn of 'Web of Bureaucracy' in Obamacare Plan

Republicans stepped up their criticism of House Democrats' health care plan Wednesday,
warning that the quality of care would decrease under the trillion-dollar proposal.

LOL..

So.. because 2 +2 = 12 that means that only 5% of the US is uninsured?

What that CBO article failed to mention is that people with insurance often times have inadequate insurance; we all know the games played by the insurance companies in not providing all the services required.

To really understand the non-insured, we must learn how many have inadequate insurance. Many purchase insurance with high deductibles and annual limits. Any serious illness can bankrupt these families with "insurance."

okie et al like to quote "16%" as the uninsured of which many are illegals. Another hypocrite from the "compassionate conservative" party.

Over a period of nearly eight weeks I'm visiting one of our local hospitals (mother's there in the accident surgery).

Your above question made me ask the doctors a few question.

Take for instance the emergency department: staffed 24/24 with an internist, an accident surgeon, an orthopaedic surgeon and an anaesthetist (they staff the emergency doctor's car, too - then a doctor from the wards replaces the one out with the car). Waiting time: seconds up to 15 minutes (four operation rooms, it's just a small hospital).
Waiting time for surgery: up to two days.
CT/MRT: up to two days (excluding weekend)
PET/PET-CT: up to five days

The main difference to your good USA-system is of course that an emrgency room/department is what the name says: medical help for emergencies. Not the equivalent of the family doctor.

During day-time that's generally done in the praxis of family doctors or surgeons or ... At night (in many counties and towns, but not in our town), some doctors/praxis are on "emergency medical service". In our town, we've got such a service only on Wednesday (most praxis are traditionally closed on Wednesday afternoon) and weekends.
This means, again unfortunately that perhaps an urologist visits you at home when you need a surgeon. (Some specialists have own emergency plans, though.)
However, in such a case you can go to one of our two hospitals (a Catholic and an Evangelical), both with 24/24 emergency rooms. (We're a town with 65,000 inhabitants I add as excuse).


Well, we really don't have a health system of perfection. But whatever you need of this not perfect system - it's all covered by our mandatory health insurance. Even old age care (though that mandatory insurance technically is a different one, but same company and you pay it together in one sum.)

Interesting post, Walter.
Changing the subject suddenly for a moment with a question for Tak, who may or not know the answer to this. There is a small group of us on A2K (Nimh, fbaezer, me etc) who chase around the world following elections. Usually we can find a "local" who will volunteer to tell us what is going on.
There is something going on in Japan. Is it significant? Worthy of a thread on A2K and finding a reporter? Thank you.

rjb, I really don't watch the political events in Japan - or even the whole of Asia. Only when there's an article in the local newspaper or tv news report that I happen to catch. I can't even keep up with US political news, because I get bits and pieces from different media.

It seems China is having riot and tribal problems.

Hope your back is doing better. T.

Amusingly, Tak, I got a PM from an A2Ker I don't think I have met before. He provided me with a link to an English language site in Japan covering this. It could be a pretty big story.

Agreed to a point. Reasons? The reasons as I see them is that Republicans have been demonized as not sympathetic to immigrants, wrongly of course, but combined with Bush's soft spot for Hispanics in the first place, he bent over backwards trying to placate the cry for compassion for the downtrodden, blah blah, blah. Bush invented the term, "compassionate conservatism," and ran on this concept, which really is nothing more than justifying and turning a blind eye to the millions of illegals coming to this country. Also, the Republican business owners liked this policy, for the reason that it gave them cheap, hard working laborers to do their work, provide their services, etc. Also, I think there was a dirty little secret belief that all the illegals were helping our economy.

Also, you have the Democrat Party and their allies encouraging policies of going soft on illegals, creating safe haven cities, turning a blind eye, underfunding efforts to arrest and send people back, accusing Republicans of racism, and actively signing up as many illegals and immigrants as voters. After all, the Hispanics form a huge constituency of theirs in border states, such as California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, as well as other states as well, no denying of this.

The problem has gotten so bad that the numbers are questionable in terms of reversing this trend of ignoring the law. It had reached the point of politicians throwing up their hands and saying nothing could be done, sending people back was impractical, so various proposals of amnesty proliferated. McCain a good example of all of this.

Interestingly, now with the recession, and with some enforcement of employers illegal hiring practices, just like magic, many illegals have returned to Mexico, and the flow into this country has slowed, confirming that the politicians were wrong, that enforcement does work, and that sending people back was unnecessary, all you have to do is enforce the law and they will go back on their own, at least many of them.

All the people ever wanted in the first place was enforcement, and the problem melts away. It could have been done a long time ago. It remains in question whether the country has the resolve to enforce its own laws. Then all we need is a healthy, fair, and robust program of screening and bringing in legal immigrants, virtually everyone desires this, and if we did that, we could all get along, nobody is flying under the radar, everybody is a full participating citizen, and everyone gets respect.

Bottom line though, it has been clearly liberal policy that has perpetrated the illegal problem on this country, predominantly by Democrats, but also practiced by Republicans from time to time.

Oh, so you're saying they're both at fault. How condescending of you!

If you bothered to understand what I wrote, you'll just have to agree with my opinion.

Not condescending, just stating my opinion, which disagrees with yours, and which is more correct.

Subject of health care, why would you ever trust anything Obama says, as you already admit he is lying to you and the country?

The health care bill, Page 16, does it limit private insurance, contrary to what Obama has told us, or in more accurate terms, has LIED to us?

"It's Not An Option
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Congress: It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal."

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=332548165656854

This confirms the validity of my policy, don't trust Obama, don't even need to read his bills, just oppose them out of hand. He is not dependable, not at all.

And here is the type of people Obama chooses as his advisors. Is there any question now that Obama is a radical?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-science-advisor-called-for-planetary-regime-to-enforce-totalitarian-population-control-measures.html

"Obama Science Advisor Called For “Planetary Regime” To Enforce Totalitarian Population Control Measures

In 1977 book, John Holdren advocated forced abortions, mass sterilization through food and water supply and mandatory bodily implants to prevent pregnancies

President Obama’s top science and technology advisor John P. Holdren co-authored a 1977 book in which he advocated the formation of a “planetary regime” that would use a “global police force” to enforce totalitarian measures of population control, including forced abortions, mass sterilization programs conducted via the food and water supply, as well as mandatory bodily implants that would prevent couples from having children."

okie, You're doing it again! We're talking about illegal immigrants, and you jump into a new topic on health care. CLUE: Obama's health care is still in the discussion stage; you are jumping to conclusions with your defective crystal ball. It's still not now the law of the land; until then, it will be changed/modified/revised. Your jumping to conclusions is what we can't trust.

The reason we jump to many topics is that Obama is bombarding us with junk from all directions. Also, you have said yourself that Obama lies. Take heed, the time is now for good men to stand up and oppose tyranny. Can you be counted on when the chips are down or not?

Hear, hear.

Take heed, prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Our world is a bombardment of information; doesn't mean we must triangulate every topic into others all the time. All you manage to do is create more confusion.

Obama and his administration are masters at creating confusion in order to push forward a hidden agenda.

Well, you really jump and jump.

I've tried to answer your question yesterday, obviously you're not interested.

Same with your new topic: I mean, Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment. was inded published in 1977, you may still find it in libraries, second-hand bookshops, on ebay - and in Holdron's cv.