Obama '08?

Sorry-- I thought this was the fact in dispute

No, I don't think anyone can dispute that fact.

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Obamacare is a Trojan Horse!!

When you start to look at the "facts" compared to the "myths" in your piece okie, it really starts to look like the "facts" don't dispute what they call "myths".

Myth _ there are between 40-50 million uninsured
Fact - there are 45, 657,00 uninsured

Last time I checked 45,667,000 was between 40-50 million so how can the first be a myth?

Oh.. they try to get around that by saying some of those are NOT "Americans" but offer no source to show that to be true.
So they claim only 35.9 million americans don't have health insurance.

But that doesn't add up with their later numbers..


35.9 million x .75 = 26.9
So.. 26.9 million Americans don't have health insurance using those numbers..

But WAIT..


How can 36 million REMAIN uninsured if there are only 26.9 million uninsured to begin with?

Can you answer my question okie?

Squirt,

You wouldn't know a fact if it punched you in the nose.

Maybe you can answer the question I asked Okie based on the piece he cited.

Parados, I think you are foolish in your attempts to reason with Okie or waterboy, neither of them are intellectually competent to respond with rational thought.

All that liberal democrats can do in response to facts, logic and common
sense is launch more personal attacks against those they disagree with.

So.....

Please explain to us poor liberal democrats how there can be only 26 million uninsured and if you insure 8 million of those that leaves you with 36 million uninsured?

Parados, I do not know exactly how many people are without health insurance, and neither do you.

Based upon my reading, if we can believe much of it, here is what I believe.

- There are probably more than 40 million people in the country without their own health insurance, either they purchased or by their employer. To begin with, this is only around 16% or so of the population without their own insurance. And, even though that minor percentage have no insurance of their own, a percentage of those are illegally here in this country and therefore are breaking the law regardless of health insurance or not, plus even those receive free health care when they show up at hospitals, etc. An additional percentage that are citizens are elgible for medicaid but have failed to avail themselves of it. Another additional percentage can afford health insurance of their own, but fail to do so, which is a failure of being responsible citizens, but they choose instead to buy other stuff with their money and make the rest of us pay for their health care.

The end result, this is an estimate, the number of actual citizens that do not or cannot be provided health insurance under the current situation is probably 5% or less. And it is important to realize this 5% or so is not a static portion of the population, it is a revolving door.

Does this sound like our current system is broken? My opinion is no, because nobody goes without health care, nobody, and secondly we sing about freedom in this country, lets practice it. Do we need to improve the situation, yes, do we need reform, yes, but the answer is not Obama care, no way. Lastly, I will say this, I have numerous friends and relatives, into the hundreds, and some are well to do but many are poor, even very poor. Do I know about anybody that has suffered because of lack of health care? The answer is no, none, zero. I am sure somebody here or the press can dredge up some horror story, but as we all know, there are numerous horror stories coming out of places that have universal health care.

My conclusion, fight Obama tooth and nail on this. He knows nothing about what he is trying to do, nothing, and it is not a crisis that can't wait until we at least get the facts straight.

This is nothing more than a power grab by Obama and those that think like him, thats all it is. He cares not a whit about us.

I'm a bit slow in understanding this (my only qualification is a diploma in German [health] insurance): so 95% of all US-Americans are insured by the one way or other, get their medical needs paid and "only" 5% have to see from where and how they get the money to pay the bills?

5 percent my Ass...

None of these numbers are cast in stone, only estimates based upon reading, Walter. How many people in universal health care in Germany, or elsewhere have to wait too long to get a procedure done after they know they are deathly sick? No country has perfection, and everybody will die, hows that grab you?

I said 5% or so. I don't know the exact number, but the evidence shows of the 40 million plus, a great percentage of those are not because they are legal citizens, or can't get medicaid, or can't afford insurance, or whatever.

Thats the problem with Obama and you guys. You don't want to slow down and get the facts right first, you want to ram something down our throats. We've done pretty nicely for over 200 years, and despite obesity that surpasses most countries, we nevertheless live within a few months of most countries in the world. Our health care has problems, but in many ways leads the world.

Besides, if Obama cared about people, he would not consent to killing a helpless babe that happened to survive a failed abortion. Obama cares not a whit about people. If he did, he would not be the most liberal politician about killing babies.

no time for your bullshit today okester. things to do.

blather away...

(not part of that group either, okie)

okie wrote:

Of coarse, okie's posts are always 100% accurate - even though he fails to provide any evidence for his claims - such as most uninsured are illegals.

This all fits very nicely into their "compassionate conservative" meme. It's only 16%.

The 16% he talks about doesn't mean much, because even those with health insurance are often inadequate. How many of those insured really has full coverage? Hasn't he heard of the many middle-class families that went bankrupt because of a family member had to be treated beyond what their insurance covered? okie has the habit of looking at all problems with a one-dimension view which renders his opinion worthless to ignorant!

ROFL

Certainly everyone will die, everywhere.

If that's a principle for health care, no insurance would be needed at all: just wait until the end comes.

I'm not aware that someone had to wait here who is deadly sick.
I admit that there might be the one or other case when the emergency doctor arrives too late, or an ambulance or ...

You have, and I frankly admit that, to wait weeks, even months, for a heart or liver transplatation. But that has nothing to do with mandatory health insurance but with the correct spender organ.

And CBO predicts cost of a Trillion and more, and more. Which leads to what, people? Just common sense tells us it leads to more waste and corruption, plus rationing and worse health care, not better.

From Consumer Reports:


I just wonder where okie gets his information - on anything?

Please quote correctly. Never said most uninsured are illegals, just a significant number are, as supported by data. Look it up. Try to read correctly, ci.

By the way, liberals have encouraged the suffering of no insurance for illegals, by making it easy to come here illegally.

Okay, okie, provide us with evidence of your "significant number?"