Obama '08?

@realjohnboy,

The "YOUTH" quip was an attempt at humor.
Rush Limbo is a search engine? Who knew?

Since you can't find a source for the 8M you should just quit.

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@H2O MAN,

So we agree that the 8M number is/was incorrect and not supported by any data. Move on.
I didn't know you had a sense of humor.

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@realjohnboy,

You now agree the 47M number is over inflated and incorrect. Outstanding!

Media Research found the number of uninsured in America to be less than 10 million.
In fact even the “liberal” Kaiser Family Foundation estimates the number of
“chronically uninsured” in the U.S. at somewhere between 8 million and 13 million.

Obama and the Democrats pushing their health care plan are telling us
that 16 percent of our citizens are uninsured; in reality its 4 percent.
Why aren’t we being told the truth?

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@dyslexia,

I have been home, dys, with a periodic flare up of "bad back."
Bored out of my skull to such a degree that I would sink to jousting with H2O.
A lady at the nearby branch library this evening brought me a couple of books I wanted. Very nice of her to do that.
I hope to be back at work on Saturday.
I note that you will be meeting Edgar. One of my favorite folks on A2K. He and you can probably swap stories, some of them true, for hours. Say hi to him.

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

I have been home, dys, with a periodic flare up of "bad back."
Bored out of my skull to such a degree that I would sink to jousting with H2O.

Well, at least you learned something about the real numbers and Obama's lies, "bad back" and all.

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Perhaps this information might help. Also it seems logical that we could at least get the numbers right before we even consider any legislation whatsoever. Wouldn't that be logical? But Congress is not always logical. Nor is Obama in my opinion.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090623160905.aspx

Fact Sheet: America's Uninsured
The media repeat claims of 40 million to 50 million uninsured Americans, but facts from the Census Bureau and research organizations discredit it.

By Julia A. Seymour
Business & Media Institute
6/23/2009 4:15:41 PM

The media claim that there are 40 million to 50 million uninsured Americans and use that statistic to bolster calls for universal government-run insurance coverage. The inaccuracy has been repeated by print and broadcast journalists for years, but the true extent of the uninsured “crisis” is much smaller than those reports let on.

Myth: There are between 40 million and 50 million uninsured Americans. President Obama referred to “46 million uninsured Americans” in May 2009.

Fact: Anyone who reports that there are more than 46 million uninsured is exaggerating since the Census Bureau puts the number of uninsured at 45,657,000 people.

Fact: Nearly 10 million (9.7) of the 45.7 million uninsured are “not a citizen.” That makes every media claim of uninsured Americans higher than 35.9 million is wrong.

Myth: The 40 million to 50 million uninsured cannot afford health insurance.

Fact: More than 17 million of the uninsured make at least $50,000 per year (the median household income of $50,233) " 8.4 million make $50,000 to $74,999 per year and 9.1 million make $75,000 or higher. Two economists working at the National Bureau of Economic Research concluded that 25 to 75 percent of those who do not purchase health insurance coverage “could afford to do so.”

Myth: The 40 million to 50 million uninsured do not get health care.

Fact: The National Center for Policy Analysis estimates that uninsured people get about $1,500 of free health care per year, or $6,000 per family of four.

Fact: An Urban Institute study found that 25 percent of the uninsured already qualify for government health insurance programs.

Myth: People will remain uninsured without government assistance.

Fact: The Congressional Budget Office says that 45 percent of the uninsured will be insured within four months. CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin also said that the frequent claim of 40+ million Americans lacking insurance is an “incomplete and potentially misleading picture of the uninsured population.”

Fact: Liberal non-profit Kaiser Family Foundation put the number of uninsured Americans who do not qualify for government programs and make less than $50,000 a year between 8.2 million and 13.9 million. (The 8.2 million figure includes only those uninsured for two years or more.)

Fact: CBO analysis found that 36 million people would remain uninsured even if the Senate’s $1.6 trillion health care plan is passed.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

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Fact: Liberal non-profit Kaiser Family Foundation put the number of uninsured Americans who do not qualify for government programs and make less than $50,000 a year between 8.2 million and 13.9 million. (The 8.2 million figure includes only those uninsured for two years or more.)

So rjb and all the other "waterboy" detractors, what do you have to say about this? Seems "waterboy" might be onto something?

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@okie,

okie, Those making less than $50,000/year. You are leaving out all those who make more than or have no job. You love to mis-represent issues to meet your own convoluted brain, but it isn't going to work.

From the National Coalition on Health Care:

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Health Insurance Costs

This document is also available as a printable .pdf file.
Health Insurance Costs

Facts on the Cost of Health Insurance and Health Care

Introduction

By several measures, health care spending continues to rise at a rapid rate and forcing businesses and families to cut back on operations and household expenses respectively.

In 2008, total national health expenditures were expected to rise 6.9 percent -- two times the rate of inflation.1 Total spending was $2.4 TRILLION in 2007, or $7900 per person1. Total health care spending represented 17 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP).

U.S. health care spending is expected to increase at similar levels for the next decade reaching $4.3 TRILLION in 2017, or 20 percent of GDP.1

and

Health Insurance Coverage

This document is also available as a printable .pdf file.
Health Insurance Coverage

Facts on Health Insurance Coverage

Introduction

Most Americans have health insurance through their employers. But employment is no longer a guarantee of health insurance coverage.

As America continues to move from a manufacturing-based economy to a service economy, and employee working patterns continue to evolve, health insurance coverage has become less stable. The service sector offers less access to health insurance than its manufacturing counterparts. Further, an increasing reliance on part-time and contract workers who are not eligible for coverage means fewer workers have access to employer-sponsored health insurance.

Due to rising health insurance premiums, many small employers cannot afford to offer health benefits. Companies that do offer health insurance, often require employees to contribute a larger share toward their coverage. As a result, an increasing number of Americans have opted not to take advantage of job-based health insurance because they cannot afford it.
Who are Who are the uninsured?

* Nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007, the latest government data available.1
* The number of uninsured rose 2.2 million between 2005 and 2006 and has increased by almost 8 million people since 2000.1

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@okie,

okie wrote:

okie wrote:
Quote:
Fact: Liberal non-profit Kaiser Family Foundation put the number of uninsured Americans who do not qualify for government programs and make less than $50,000 a year between 8.2 million and 13.9 million. (The 8.2 million figure includes only those uninsured for two years or more.)

So rjb and all the other "waterboy" detractors, what do you have to say about this? Seems "waterboy" might be onto something?

That's not fair okie!

You know facts, logic and common sense scares the **** out of liberal democrats.
All they can do in response is launch more personal attacks against those they disagree with.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

okie wrote:
Quote:
Fact: Liberal non-profit Kaiser Family Foundation put the number of uninsured Americans who do not qualify for government programs and make less than $50,000 a year between 8.2 million and 13.9 million. (The 8.2 million figure includes only those uninsured for two years or more.)

So rjb and all the other "waterboy" detractors, what do you have to say about this? Seems "waterboy" might be onto something?

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This policy brief finds about 39 million working-age adults nationally reported cost as a barrier to receiving needed health care in 2006, a number that grew by an average of 1 million people annually over the decade studied. Uninsured working-aged adults experienced the most consistent erosion over the 10 years, resulting in a widening gap in access to care between insured and uninsured adults.

Source: Jaiser Foundation, Trends in Access to Care Among Working-Age Adults, 1997-2006.

But, of course, you can show me sources that 30 millions got health insurance from 2006 onwards - from the Kaiser Foundation, as okie said.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

You know facts, logic and common sense scares the **** out of liberal democrats.
All they can do in response is launch more personal attacks against those they disagree with.

Oh, YOU, of course, have those facts. May I ask to post them?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Straightforward facts like that Walt need no further elaboration.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

You know facts, logic and common sense scares the **** out of liberal democrats.
All they can do in response is launch more personal attacks against those they disagree with.

Oh, YOU, of course, have those facts. May I ask to post them?

The facts being discussed are posted. YOU missed them?

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@spendius,

Obama and the Democrats pushing their health care plan are telling us
that 16 percent of our citizens are uninsured; in reality its 4 percent.
Why aren’t we being told the truth?

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@H2O MAN,

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Why aren’t we being told the truth

I should think it is to avoid you all going nuts.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

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Why aren’t we being told the truth

I should think it is to avoid you all going nuts.

Maybe in regards to the EPA and municipal drinking water.
People would panic if they knew the truth about government
H2O, but I believe this Obamacare deception is something else.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Obama and the Democrats pushing their health care plan are telling us
that 16 percent of our citizens are uninsured; in reality its 4 percent.
Why aren’t we being told the truth?

Well, either you speak of "uninsured" or not.
For "uninsured" see the link to the Kaiser Foundation I gave above.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Obama and the Democrats pushing their health care plan are telling us
that 16 percent of our citizens are uninsured; in reality its 4 percent.
Why aren’t we being told the truth?

Well, either you speak of "uninsured" or not.
For "uninsured" see the link to the Kaiser Foundation I gave above.

It reads like this:

"...the number of uninsured Americans who do not qualify for government programs
and make less than $50,000 a year between 8.2 million and 13.9 million.
(The 8.2 million figure includes only those uninsured for two years or more.)"

Of course Obamanomics is increasing the number of "unemployed" and this may also be increasing the number of "uninsured".

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@H2O MAN,

From Okies post..

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the Census Bureau puts the number of uninsured at 45,657,000 people.

That would seem to be a qualified source and the piece okie cites lists it as a "FACT"

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It looks like Obamacare is a Trojan Horse...

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