JTT
 
  -1  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 09:18 am
@okie,
Quote:

"John McCain told FOX News that he didn't think President Obama was doing enough to show his support for fair elections in Iran and civil rights for Iranians after a presidential election there that "everybody knows" was corrupt."


John McCain knows support. His idea of supporting people is to bomb them into oblivion. Have you heard anything from John about compensating those citizens of Iran that were hit with American supplied war materiel including poison gas.

Has John stepped to the plate with his support for the Iranians murderd under the Shah's dictatorship?

Has John offered support for the millions murdered in Vietnam, for the children who suffer to this day from the WMDs, ie. Agent Orange spread over the Vietnam countryside?

This is the type of thing that scum support. Who do you support?

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JTT
 
  -1  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 09:20 am
@okie,
Quote:
"Seven demonstrators were shot Monday by pro-regime militia ...


Four dead in O-hi-o, ...
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okie
 
  0  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 09:23 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

I've already addressed how our interference can be seen as counter-productive. Are you going to keep posting this tripe without giving a meaningful response to that?

Cycloptichorn

I read your posts, but just because you said something doesn't mean it has any credibility, cyclops. Are you going to continue posting your tripe after I post a rebuttal? Its a two way street, after all, you do not have a monopoly on the right answers, and in fact I think you seldom have any.

If you think a politician standing up for fair elections is counter-productive, I don't think you are very intelligent.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 09:27 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I've already addressed how our interference can be seen as counter-productive. Are you going to keep posting this tripe without giving a meaningful response to that?

Cycloptichorn

I read your posts, but just because you said something doesn't mean it has any credibility, cyclops. Are you going to continue posting your tripe after I post a rebuttal? Its a two way street, after all, you do not have a monopoly on the right answers, and in fact I think you seldom have any.

If you think a politician standing up for fair elections is counter-productive, I don't think you are very intelligent.


This is likely because you have done absolutely zero research into the region and the people there; and you have no clue what the effects of the US throwing support behind the opposition would be. Or perhaps you can outline how it would help them, in detail?

As I said earlier; like McCain in the campaign, you just want the US to flail about and do something, but you haven't thought about the effects. This is the absolutely worst way to run foreign policy; macho posturing without insight.

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 09:31 am



The window of opportunity has closed on Obama... thank God!

PrezBO will no longer be able to rush through any changes - he now must work to get all future changes through.
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JTT
 
  -1  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 09:36 am
@okie,
Perhaps you missed this, Okie.

======================

John McCain knows support. His idea of supporting people is to bomb them into oblivion. Have you heard anything from John about compensating those citizens of Iran that were hit with American supplied war materiel including poison gas.

Has John stepped to the plate with his support for the Iranians murderd under the Shah's dictatorship?

Has John offered support for the millions murdered in Vietnam, for the children who suffer to this day from the WMDs, ie. Agent Orange spread over the Vietnam countryside?

This is the type of thing that scum support. Who do you support?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 10:16 am
@JTT,
People like okie suffer from myopia; they don't see the carnage our government has done in foreign countries. The only person they now hate is Obama (and Sotomayor). Their brains have been calcified for too long, and their ability to think rationally has been destroyed.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 10:40 am

June 18, 2009
Understanding the Age of Obama
By Victor Davis Hanson

1. The Budget. Wanting to cut $17 billion from the budget, as President Obama has promised, is proof of financial responsibility. Borrowing $1.84 trillion this year for new programs is "stimulus." The old phrase "out-of-control spending" is inoperative.

2. Unemployment. The number of jobs theoretically saved, or created, by new government policies - not the actual percentage of Americans out of work, or the total number of jobs lost - is now the far better indicator of unemployment.

3. The Private Sector. Nationalizing much of the auto and financial industries, while regulating executive compensation, is an indication of our new government's repeatedly stated reluctance to interfere in the private sector.

4. Race and Gender. Not what is said but who says it and about whom reveals racism and sexism. For example, an Hispanic female judge isn't being offensive if she states that Latinas are inherently better judges than white males.

5. Random violence. Some assassinations represent larger American pathologies, but others do not. When a crazed lone gunman murders someone outside the Holocaust Museum or shoots an abortion doctor, we should worry about growing right-wing and Christian extremism. But when an African-American Muslim convert brags about his murder of a military recruitment officer or an Islamic group plots to kill Jews and blow up a military jet, these are largely isolated incidents without larger relevance.

6. Terrorism. Acts of terror disappeared about six months ago. Thankfully, we live now in an age where there will be - in the new vocabulary of the Obama administration - only occasional "overseas contingency operations" in which we may be forced to hold a few "detainees." At the same time, ongoing military tribunals, renditions, wiretaps, phone intercepts and predator-drone assassinations are no longer threats to the Constitution. And just saying you're going to close the detention center at Guantanamo Bay is proof that it is almost closed.

7. Iraq. The once-despised Iraq war thankfully ended around Jan. 20, 2009, and has now transformed into a noble experiment that is fanning winds of change throughout the Middle East. There will be no need for any more Hollywood cinema exposés of American wartime crimes in Iraq with titles like "Rendition," "Redacted," "Lions for Lambs" and "Stop-Loss."

8. The West. Western values and history aren't apparently that special or unique. As President Obama told the world during his recent speech in Cairo, the Renaissance and Enlightenment were, in fact, fueled by a brilliant Islamic culture, responsible for landmark discoveries in mathematics, science and medicine. Slavery in America ended without violence. Mistreatment of women and religious intolerance in the Middle East have comparable parallels in America.

9. Media. The media are disinterested and professional observers of the present administration. When television anchormen and senior magazine editors bow to the president, proclaim him a god or feel tingling in the legs when he speaks, it is quite normal.

10. George W. Bush. Former President Bush did all sorts of bad things to the United States that only now we are learning will take at least eight years to sort out. "Bush did it" for the next decade will continue to explain the growing unemployment rate, the most recent deficit, the new round of tensions with Iran and North Korea, and the growing global unrest from the Middle East to South America.

Once we remember and accept the logic of the above, then almost everything about this Age of Obama begins to make perfect sense.
parados
 
  1  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 11:20 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:

Once we remember and accept the logic of the above, then almost everything about this Age of Obama begins to make perfect sense.

Perhaps if there was logic to it, then we could accept the logic. Since there is no logic to it, I don't know how we can accept the logic.

Quote:
1. The Budget. Wanting to cut $17 billion from the budget, as President Obama has promised, is proof of financial responsibility. Borrowing $1.84 trillion this year for new programs is "stimulus." The old phrase "out-of-control spending" is inoperative.

There is no evidence that Obama is borrowing 1.84 trillion for "new programs." Of the projected 1.84 trillion deficit, over 600 billion of it happened before Bush left office. Much of the money is NOT going for new programs but instead is paying for existing programs. The recession reduced Federal revenues well below what Bush planned for. Much of the "stimulus" that was passed under Obama won't take effect until next year. Making **** up isn't logic. It is making **** up.

Quote:
2. Unemployment. The number of jobs theoretically saved, or created, by new government policies - not the actual percentage of Americans out of work, or the total number of jobs lost - is now the far better indicator of unemployment.
This has long been the standard for judging policies. One need only look at how the Bush administration used the figures to show how many jobs were saved under his tax cuts.

Quote:
The Treasury Department estimates that without the tax relief, as many as 1.5 million more Americans would be out of work right now, and the unemployment rate would be well over 7 percent.

http://taxesandgrowth.ncpa.org/news/are-the-bush-tax-cuts-working

There is nothing logical about claiming this is something that wasn't used or understood before Obama.

Quote:
3. The Private Sector. Nationalizing much of the auto and financial industries, while regulating executive compensation, is an indication of our new government's repeatedly stated reluctance to interfere in the private sector.
Perhaps WHEN the auto companies were first bailed out should be included here. If non interference is giving them 30billion dollars and restricting pay to the top executives then Obama would not be interfering.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/02/news/companies/automakers_plans/?postversion=2008120216

December 12, 2008 was not a time when Obama was President.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 01:21 pm
@parados,
That the likes of waterboy, icant and okie can use the word "logic" in their posts shows their complete ignorance on both language and logic. Common sense departed from their brains long ago.
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realjohnboy
 
  1  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 01:25 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

Wandering around Rasmussen's site this afternoon, here is a question that will be asked of 1000 likely voters today:

"Should the government put a cap on the amount of money a jury can award a defendent (I think they meant plaintiff) in a medical malpractice lawsuit?"

What % will say "Yes."


It turned out to being 44% saying "Yes." I think I said 42%.
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 01:31 pm



People lacking common sense are the same people that defend Obama and think he can do no wrong.
parados
 
  0  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 02:04 pm
@H2O MAN,
Sure squirt.

I don't think you would know what "common sense" was if it carried around a 2x4 and used it on you every time you acted without common sense.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 02:08 pm
@H2O MAN,
Hey, waterboy, show us any poster who said "Obama can do no wrong?"

PUt up or shut up!
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 02:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,


How about you just shut up!
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 02:20 pm
@parados,



parados, go clean yourself up ... you have some man squirt on your chin.
parados
 
  2  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 02:38 pm
@H2O MAN,
It's funny how someone that works with water would always think "squirt" is about sex. You really are a little squirt because you never grew up.

I call you squirt because of that joke from 3rd grade. An expert is formerly a drip under pressure. Since there is no formerly in your case, squirt seems to fit you quite well.
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 02:39 pm
http://perfectunion.com/vb/signaturepics/sigpic2741_16.gif
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 03:15 pm


I'm told recent polls show that Americans disapprove of how Obama is handling the
economy and that Americans think he is taking the country in the wrong direction.
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 18 Jun, 2009 03:29 pm



BTW... What ever happened to BIDEN?

Did Michelle suggest that PrezBO fire him or something?
 

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