Obama '08?

I don't think you do understand the theory behind the stimulus bill at all, actually. It is not to continually stimulate the market, or even to provide long-term growth to it. It is to help businesses and people get by until regular conditions re-assert themselves. Tax cuts, such as you want, would do NOTHING right now, nothing at all, and you have no evidence they would.

As for the 'different camp' theory, well; look how fast the 'free market' companies came running to the government for help when times got tough. They obviously don't believe in a free market either, or they just would have failed and blamed themselves. Right?

Cycloptichorn

I understand the stimulus bill perfectly

Stop giving okie legitimate reasons to tell us how Marxism ruins the universe.

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I understand the stimulus bill perfectly

that would make you the only one in the universe that does. You're just freakin' amazing Okie, How did you acquire such knowledge? Could you explain the effects of black holes on gravitational fields?

COMMON SENSE.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I don't think you do understand the theory behind the stimulus bill at all, actually. It is not to continually stimulate the market, or even to provide long-term growth to it. It is to help businesses and people get by until regular conditions re-assert themselves. Tax cuts, such as you want, would do NOTHING right now, nothing at all, and you have no evidence they would.

As for the 'different camp' theory, well; look how fast the 'free market' companies came running to the government for help when times got tough. They obviously don't believe in a free market either, or they just would have failed and blamed themselves. Right?

Cycloptichorn

I understand the stimulus bill perfectly, cyclops. Here are the following points that it does:

1. It satisfies the liberal theory that government spending is the answer to all problems.
2. It serves as a vehicle to institute new and more invasive government controls and programs into all facets of American life.
3. It serves as a way to reward liberal groups, to give them money, to support and help them grow a power base, to help insure Obama's power in the future.
4. It provides another incremental step toward socialism and Marxist concepts, which Obama believes in.
5. It provides a way to express some of the anger pent up in Obama, Democrats, and his supporters, by throwing money at all the constituencies and pet projects that they love, and ignoring the people they do not like.

I believe all of them are true, and the first three, you should be even happy to admit, cyclops. You believe government spending will solve problems, thats the basis of your entire politics. You want more government controls. And power groups, you want rewarded, like unions, ACORN, NEA, what else. Don't even deny it, you know its true. The last two things sound a little harsh, but I think when you sit down and analyze the end game of Obama, what he apparently believes, thats it. Be honest, cyclops. You owe that much to a forum wherein opinons are expressed.

But you've allowed it to start to cloud your judgment of reality.

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But you've allowed it to start to cloud your judgment of reality.

"START to cloud your judgment of reality".

You must be employing sarcasm on a grand scale here, Cy.

okie wrote:

I believe all of them are true, and the first three, you should be even happy to admit, cyclops. You believe government spending will solve problems, thats the basis of your entire politics. You want more government controls. And power groups, you want rewarded, like unions, ACORN, NEA, what else. Don't even deny it, you know its true. The last two things sound a little harsh, but I think when you sit down and analyze the end game of Obama, what he apparently believes, thats it. Be honest, cyclops. You owe that much to a forum wherein opinons are expressed.

No, it's bullshit, Okie.

I could care less about ACORN and the NEA. Those are your boogeymen, not my allies; I didn't even know who those groups were before Republicans went on and on about them in the last election in an attempt to distract from the fact they were losing quite badly. I couldn't care less about whether they get more money or not.

I don't believe government spending will solve all problems and have never said so. Perhaps you can link to where I have? No? Then you must admit it's a straw-man argument on your part.

Do I want more government controls? Yes! That's what the collapse of the financial market will do to a nation, Okie; reveal the need for regulation. I do find it farcical however that I never heard a single word from you complaining about the Republicans' insistence on inserting the government into EVERY ASPECT of your life in the name of 'keeping you safe.' It reveals your hypocrisy.

I think you are a very unhappy person these days, Okie, when you view the utter collapse of the Republicans. And I understand why you're unhappy. But you've allowed it to start to cloud your judgment of reality. Obama is a Liberal guy who wants to enact some Liberal programs. You are unused to this and don't know how to react, so you think Appealing to Extremes is the way to go, pronouncing doom on everything he does. It's not convincing to anyone here at all. You just sound old and bitter.

Cycloptichorn

Hell with that. The Hippocratic Oath does not allow for your personal bullshit. If you don't want to practice medicine, then get out of the biz.

I swear by Apollo, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath.
To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.

I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.