Obama '08?

@okie,

I do feel your pain, Okie. Damn I do.

I thank you for sharing it. Brings lots of smiles to my lips.

Never enough smiles!

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, Daschle uses a tax accountant to prepare his tax return. Most on the hill believes he made an "honest" mistake.

I'm not at all sure he's being by the toughest jury. Not saying this is a deliberate omission, but I suspect there are a fair number in congress that don't want the standards set too high.

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@roger,

Right on Roger. How would we be able to keep the likes of Charlie Rangel in the House if not for low standards.

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@roger,

You got that right! A good percentage in congress are guilty of crimes that they get caught at, and I'm pretty sure there are many that are missed.

I just don't care for the likes of okie who would act as judge, jury and executioner when we the public have no evidence of his innocence or guilt on his tax returns.

That he is willing to "sacrifice" millions in consulting fees to take the government job shows where his values are. NO such thing on okie.

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@cicerone imposter,

Yeah right, ci, what a crock!

Here we go again, the "everybody does it" excuse. We heard that during 8 years of Clinton, now here we go again. Frankly, ci, you people are pathetic.

Honesty only applies to Republicans. If Democrats are crooks, everybody does it, so it doesn't matter. You are pathetic, ci.

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@okie,

There is generally a big difference between crookeed Dems and Reps. Regarding the former, the wrongdoing involves personal matters; e.g., doing an intern, not paying taxes on the maid, and similar. Regarding the Reps, however, the crookedness involves the misuse of their positions; e.g., McCain took gifts and trips in return for legislatively helping Keating loot his S&.

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@Advocate,

And you are going to tell me that Democrats do not use their position to profit? Fact is, isn't that what Daschle was doing, using a position of authority to receive personal gain, and bilking the government and us out of a hundred k or so? And Clinton did not obtain lavish gifts for his library? Need I start compiling a list?

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@okie,

okie, First, you must determine if what Daschle did was "illegal." You do understand that word, don't you? People always use their position for "profit."
That's what capitalism is all about.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, First, you must determine if what Daschle did was "illegal." You do understand that word, don't you? People always use their position for "profit."
That's what capitalism is all about.

No, thats what Obama's change is about. In capitalism, you sell a goods or service, it is a trade whereby both parties receive something they want or need. In Obama's new government, you rob one set of people to give to another set of people so that you can be re-elected, and the laws made for average people do not apply to the government officials. They are too smart, and too valuable to actually obey the law, pay taxes, etc.

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@okie,

okie, Seriously, where did you get your education?

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@cicerone imposter,

Not in Chicago.

ci, if senators want to get re-elected, they better vote against Obama's boondoggle.

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@okie,

okie, Do you know that for a fact, or are you spreading BS?
You didn't have to tell me you didn't get your education in Chicago. They would have flunked your ass before grade seven.

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@okie,

Yes, I am going to tell you that.

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@Advocate,

okie is completely blind when it comes to GOP members of congress who have been charged with a crime, but is able to make accusations against Daschle when there isn't any charge of wrong-doing by anyone. Where do these people like okie crawl out from ?

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@okie,

Okie- YOu may have learned by now that Cicerone Imposter is well named. He is indeed some sort of Imposter who almost never gives any evidence for his blatherings.

It is clear to anyone who wishes to examine the facts that the Obama Administration has done a TERRIBLE job in vetting their appointments and if their work in examining the backgrounds of the people they submit to the Congress for approval is anywhere near the work they do to try to prevent the US from being attacked by the fundamentalist radical Muslims, we are in bad trouble.

Note:

Wall Street Journal Feb. 2, 2009 P. A3

"Daschle faces questions on trips"

The vetting process for Daschle was obviously flawed.

Then the Obama Administration fumbled the ball when they nominated Richardson, who stepped aside in January over concerns that a grand jury investigation into how state contracts were issued to political donors.

Then the Obama Adminstration clearly fouled up the vetting process for the incoming Secretary of the Treasury who did not pay all of his income tax.

Okie, is there any efficiency in this process? Apparently not!!!

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@genoves,

genoves wrote:

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He is indeed some sort of Imposter who almost never gives any evidence for his blatherings.

Just don't make the accusation; prove it by cut and paste from my posts.

Then genoves writes:

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"Daschle faces questions on trips"

What's wrong with any question of a prospective Obama's selection for a post? Questions are not a charge of wrong-doing; it's only a question. Which law school did you attend?

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@cicerone imposter,

You are correct, Cicerone Imposter. Questions are not a charge of wrong-doing but they do influence public opinion. The article I referenced quotes Mr. Gibbs, President Obama's spokesman who said:

"the president believes that nobody is perfect, but that nobody is trying to hide anything"

I am heartened to hear of the President's philosophy. He did not express this viewpoint when he spoke about the alleged mistakes made in Iraq, etc.etc.

I guess that people nominated by the President to his cabinet are not perfect. i sincerely hope that they are grossly impefect!

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Other than the car mistake (which explanation seems plausible from what I read), what else is Daschle accused of doing? I have been somewhat strained with electricity here in Kentucky with the ice storm and all and I am behind the stories. If his explanations for the other accusations seem flimsy then Obama should drop him. In any case, more effort should have been made to check out that sort of thing even though Daschle has always seemed to be such a respectable person and has had an admirable career which I have always respected and have never heard of any rumors about.

As for Obama's stimulus package from what I can tell it is better than anything the GOP has so far come up with. There is time to work together to come up with a plan if there are some flaws in Obama's plan or the democrat house and senate plans. Rather than just complaining; work together in a new accommodating spirit from all sides with all sides giving ideas and all sides views being given true consideration. Despite suggestions to the contrary during Bush’s terms, it was always his way or the highway and I am hopeful that Obama’s term will be different.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/demintplan.gif

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The DeMint plan includes permanently cutting the corporate tax rate, totally eliminating the Alternative Minimum Tax, lowering income tax rates for the wealthiest Americans, and eliminating scores of tax deductions that help students pay for college, sick families pay medical bills, and teachers purchase supplies for their classrooms.

Permanent tax cuts are one of the least effective ways of stimulating the economy according to both Moody’s Economy.com and the Congressional Budget Office. Furthermore, slashing government revenues this permanently would leave deep structural deficits for generations to come.

source

In other words more of the same unfair targeted to the wealthiest Bush tax cuts which have gotten us into this fine mess to begin with.

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@revel,

revel wrote:

Other than the car mistake (which explanation seems plausible from what I read), what else is Daschle accused of doing? ....

How about not reporting consulting income of $83,333 in 2007? I just learned that one this morning. And remember, the car issue, it was not a matter of a friend loaning him a car for a Sunday afternoon spin, it was 4 years of a car with driver. Do not believe these yokels in Washington do not realize that sort of thing is taxable. Plus he over-reported charitable contributions. One wonders what else this guy has done and we just don't know it yet. He fits the mold of an arrogant politician that think they are cut out of a superior cloth, they are somehow better than all of us helpless people out here in fly over country.

I would forget this if he not only apologized profusely and paid all the back taxes and fees, if only he would go home and leave us alone, but no, he insists on being a big shot in Washington and he plans on making policies and telling the rest of us what we have to do. Sorry, it doesn't fly, this stuff will not be forgotten. Obama is bombing big time, he is a dud, to continue to back these duds.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

revel wrote:

Other than the car mistake (which explanation seems plausible from what I read), what else is Daschle accused of doing? ....

How about not reporting consulting income of $83,333 in 2007? I just learned that one this morning. And remember, the car issue, it was not a matter of a friend loaning him a car for a Sunday afternoon spin, it was 4 years of a car with driver. Do not believe these yokels in Washington do not realize that sort of thing is taxable. Plus he over-reported charitable contributions. One wonders what else this guy has done and we just don't know it yet. He fits the mold of an arrogant politician that think they are cut out of a superior cloth, they are somehow better than all of us helpless people out here in fly over country.

I would forget this if he not only apologized profusely and paid all the back taxes and fees, if only he would go home and leave us alone, but no, he insists on being a big shot in Washington and he plans on making policies and telling the rest of us what we have to do. Sorry, it doesn't fly, this stuff will not be forgotten. Obama is bombing big time, he is a dud, to continue to back these duds.

I agree that Daschle should probably withdraw.

I don't agree that Obama is a dud, however, or that he's 'bombing.' I wonder if you even know what bombing means, being a long-time Bush supporter.

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