Obama '08?

@Frank Apisa,

Well said, Frank; people just can't grasp why nothing is always 100% agreeable. They must live in another reality. Do they also have a siblings, parents, spouse and/or children?

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Bullshit. Do you even know the first thing about what is in the package? Or are you just bitching because it didn't include the Republican solution to everything, namely, cut taxes for the rich?

Cycloptichorn

Not much yet, but I am learning. Lets see, ATV trails

Someone has to build those trails, equipment has to be purchased that will do it, so there is an economic benefit from it. Not to mention the nice trails that we will have for maintaining our national parks when they are done.

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National Endowment for the Arts (probably more obscene art funding)

That money goes to artists, they need work just as much as anyone else does, and their work helps enrich our society. They then spend that money on goods and services. Economic benefit.

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tax rebates for illegals

This is nothing but a crappy Republican talking point.

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Amtrak ( the same RR that has lost money forever)

Lots of people ride amtrak and use it to get around; and that money will go to pay people to do improvements, it creates jobs. You just don't care, b/c you don't like mass transit.

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more tax rebates to people that pay no tax

The poor spend more money that they receive in rebates then the middle class or the rich do. They can't afford to take those tax rebates and save them. So it's fair to say that this is the sort of tax incentive that provides the HIGHEST level of fiscal stimulus out of all possible ones; just not for rich folks, which is the reason you're pissed.

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more unemployment benefits ( does this encourage more people to go to work)

Perhaps this is b/c unemployment is so high right now, Okie, and people need the help just to get by. Of course you want all that help to go to business owners and fat cats, but let's be realistic here; they don't need it.

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more money for the government to buy new cars ( I see them driving almost all new cars now?)

No, you don't. And if those cars are American, it provides jobs and money into the economy.

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mass transit, money for the Smithsonian, more federal funding for education ( so that more local control is lost), etc. etc. etc. What else, cyclops?

You already mentioned mass transit once; yaknow, those of us who live in Civilization like mass transit. Just b/c Oklahoma is composed entirely of hicks living in the sticks doesn't mean the rest of us don't need something.

What else? Your complaints are hollow, they are nothing more than favorite targets for Republicans to bitch about. Nothing new there, you just don't like seeing any money spent on the arts, on science, on transportation, or on education, and you haven't put much thought into the issue at all, apparently.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cyclotroll is spreading his particular brand of Bullshit extra deep today!

http://www.athenswater.com/images/PrezBO.jpg

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

These people are working with a crisis of unimaginable proportions...and it is going to get much worse before it turns upwards.

Yeah, a crisis that they allowed to happen because Americans refuse to hold them accountable.
The promise of change may have sounded good to the dumbmasses, but it's nothing more than a slogan.
Nothing will change until we the people hold every single elected official accountable and impose strict term limits.
That and the implementation of The FairTax are about the only things that will effect honest change.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

okie wrote:
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His stimulus package is akin to dipping into a stale lake and pouring out the water around the edge of the lake, as the lake continues to evaporate. He fails to see the spring needs to be revitalized that will feed the lake with lots more fresh water.

Now that you described the analogy, please explain what you mean? Your statements makes no sense; speak more directly to the stimulus plan and why your lake analogy is pertinent?

ci, we need to revitalize the creation of wealth. What we are doing is recycling the wealth already created by siphoning off the profits from citizens to fund worthless projects. I would qualify that by saying that I think some things like rebuilding of roads and bridges is not as bad as some other things in the bill, however, those are still taxpayer funded, not newly created economic activity in the private sector. To revitalize our economy, we need to create new wealth more with energy production, manufacturing, maintaining agricultural production, the timber industry, and mining. Simply relying upon a service industry further down the stream of wealth creation and consumption results into simply recycling the same wealth. And without injecting new wealth, the lake becomes more stale and diminishing in size.

As we continue to import more oil and buy goods from China and other places, we will continue to diminish in my opinion. The only way to break this cycle is not to spend the wealth we already have and go deeper into debt to maintain our lifestyle which otherwise cannot be supported by what we produce, is going to involve real change, change that Obama neither understands or favors. Things like reforming business taxes, breaking the unions, reforming the educational system and medical industry. Going to more socialism does not accomplish this at all, it will continue to eat away at our economic well being.

Now, Obama gives lip service to reforming energy, building solar and wind and all of that, that deserves some discussion, but if it does little good in terms of total contrabution to the energy mix, while we continue to lock ourselves out of drilling for oil, etc., this is like shooting ourselves in the foot. I am in favor of some tax breaks for alternative energy, but it is unrealistic to believe we can rely solely upon that.

I hope that helps you understand what I am talking about.

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@okie,

wtf, Okie...

The solutions to our problems are not to do much more of what got us into these problems in the first places.

There won't be more manufacturing here in America without more regulation, b/c the Republicans don't want to pass laws forcing the companies to put their plants here; it's bad for business, b/c it costs more money than doing it overseas. Our manufacturing base didn't dry up all on it's own, it dried up b/c your bunch didn't want to keep it, preferring to get profits instead.

I'm sure you will say that there are too many regulations here, and that's why business can't be done; but without those regulations you can't run businesses which are safe for the environment and for the workers there. This is a proven fact.

Reforming business taxes? You mean cutting them? No.

Bust the unions? No.

Reform the educational system? Sure, but not in the way you would like.

Reform the medical industry? Sure, but not the way you would like.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

Right on okie!

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@H2O MAN,

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Yeah, a crisis that they allowed to happen because Americans refuse to hold them accountable.
The promise of change may have sounded good to the dumbmasses, but it's nothing more than a slogan.
Nothing will change until we the people hold every single elected official accountable and impose strict term limits.
That and the implementation of The FairTax are about the only things that will effect honest change.

Wow...it really took me a long time to figure out that all this meant: That asshole George Dumby Bush did it!

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@Frank Apisa,

You must have that mantra written on your left wrist because your name is written on your right wrist.

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@H2O MAN,

I guess you don't realize that the Rep tax cuts are government spending. Economists refer to them as tax expenditures. The problem is that the Rep approach will not produce many jobs, which is the thing we need to get out of this depression.

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@Advocate,

Wrong.

It's been proven that tax cuts = increased revenue to the government and increased jobs.

I'm sure you were not aware of this... now you know.

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@Advocate,

Not only that, but they continue to push for tax cuts as they grow our government. I doubt very much they understand that government borrowing to pay for current spending just transfers the debt to our children and grandchildren. Nice conservative "transfer of wealth."

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@cicerone imposter,

Wrong!

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Here is something we need to keep an eye on, the angry side of Obama. His real temperament has been overlooked. All the guy was trying to do was ask him about appointing a lobbyist, something Obama had been claiming repeatedly as not going to be his policy. It has been evident for a long time that Obama does not take kindly to disagreeing with him or confronting him with a difference of opinion.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/22/obama-suprises-white-house-press-corps-visit-briefing-room/

Irritated Obama 'Stares Down' Reporter During Press Corps Visit

"According to reports, when the Politico's Jonathan Martin asked the president about his nominee for deputy secretary of defense, William Lynn, Obama refused to answer, saying he was not there to take questions.

"I came down here to visit. I didn't come down here -- this is what happens. I can't end up visiting you guys and shaking hands if I am going to grilled every time I come down here," the president said.

Pressed further by the Politico reporter about his Pentagon nominee, Obama turned more serious, putting his hand on the reporter's shoulder and staring him in the eye.

"All right, come on," he said, with obvious irritation in his voice. "We will be having a press conference, at which time you can feel free to [ask] questions. Right now, I just wanted to say hello and introduce myself to you guys -- that's all I was trying to do," Politico.com reported."

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Here is something we need to keep an eye on, the angry side of Obama. His real temperament has been overlooked. All the guy was trying to do was ask him about appointing a lobbyist, something Obama had been claiming repeatedly as not going to be his policy. It has been evident for a long time that Obama does not take kindly to disagreeing with him or confronting him with a difference of opinion.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/22/obama-suprises-white-house-press-corps-visit-briefing-room/

Irritated Obama 'Stares Down' Reporter During Press Corps Visit

"According to reports, when the Politico's Jonathan Martin asked the president about his nominee for deputy secretary of defense, William Lynn, Obama refused to answer, saying he was not there to take questions.

"I came down here to visit. I didn't come down here -- this is what happens. I can't end up visiting you guys and shaking hands if I am going to grilled every time I come down here," the president said.

Pressed further by the Politico reporter about his Pentagon nominee, Obama turned more serious, putting his hand on the reporter's shoulder and staring him in the eye.

"All right, come on," he said, with obvious irritation in his voice. "We will be having a press conference, at which time you can feel free to [ask] questions. Right now, I just wanted to say hello and introduce myself to you guys -- that's all I was trying to do," Politico.com reported."

Yeah, he's not going to put up with bullshit. I suppose you see that as a problem? It isn't as if they were in a press conference or anything.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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We will be having a press conference,

What, presidents hold press conferences!

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@JTT,

Seems he was trying to show them a bit of respect...visit and schmooze a bit.

But you always get one asshole who doesn't want to stick with the program!

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@Frank Apisa,

So if this was Bush, and Bush stared him down, this would be no big deal, Frank? I am just pointing it out, filing it away, so that if more of this side of Obama comes out, just don't claim I did not point it out, thats all.

I saw a glare during one of the debates with Hillary, that did not receive any press, but listen, you don't hang around angry people if you are not angry yourself. Just pointing it out, thats all. And I know cyclops will always defend Obama, no matter what he does until the day he dies, but I am posting interesting things like this for people that are willing to consider that Obama may not be what the press claims he is.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

I saw a glare during one of the debates with Hillary, that did not receive any press

You saw Obama glare? Like, really, really angrily? At Hillary? And all of that during a debate? In front of running cameras?

And it didn't receive any press? Like, none whatsoever? Not even Fox News reported on it?

Goodness gracious! The end of the world is near.

Laughing

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@old europe,

okie sees things differently than most people, so it's not surprising. He continues to try to convince us that we are all wrong, and he's right.

Makes you wonder...

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