parados
 
  3  
Fri 16 Jan, 2009 08:15 am
@mysteryman,
If Obama announces a plan to use the IRS to harass people, I don't think you will wait until someone steps forward to say the were harassed before you ask that it be stopped, will you?

Bush announced his plan. There wasn't some vague claim of it existing. Bush said it DID exist.

Your argument is just downright stupid MM in light of the fact that okie started this by saying Obama would do it without any talk of it from Obama or anyone.
parados
 
  2  
Fri 16 Jan, 2009 08:20 am
@okie,
I think it all boils down to how stupid you are. I can't think of any other reason for that post. You certainly don't have any facts to support your claim.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 16 Jan, 2009 05:04 pm
@parados,
okie makes all kinds of claims, but 99.9% do not have any evidence to support it.

He is only guilty of having a very good imagination. LOL
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Fri 16 Jan, 2009 05:16 pm
@parados,
But again, there was NO EVIDENCE that anyone was affected by his plan.
Yet he was condemned, attacked, and sued to get the plan stopped, even though NOBODY WAS AFFECTED.

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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 16 Jan, 2009 06:27 pm
@Magginkat,
She listed all those disasters under Bush, but ended up still praising him as a good president. Poor Sarah has lost logic along the way...
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okie
 
  0  
Fri 16 Jan, 2009 09:31 pm
@Magginkat,
Sarah from Texas probably at least pays her taxes, something the Treasury secretary is too dumb or too dishonest to do, Maggie.
Ticomaya
 
  1  
Sat 17 Jan, 2009 10:02 am
Quote:
Thursday, Jan. 15, 2009
Town Overboard!
By Ramesh Ponnuru

At least one segment of the economy is booming: the market in Obama kitsch. The dedicated supporter of the incoming President need not content himself with a T shirt or bumper sticker. Also available are Obama coasters, lava lamps, jigsaw puzzles, mugs, skateboards, toy trains, CDs, DVDs and, of course, commemorative dinner plates. Ben & Jerry's is introducing a Yes Pecan flavor in honor of Obama's campaign slogan, and Marvel Comics is running a special Inaugural issue of Spider-Man. Pepsi has created the Pepsi Optimism Project with a red, white and blue logo almost identical to Obama's sunrise button. And Obama's face now graces subway tickets sold in the nation's capital.

Officials in Washington expect record crowds for Jan. 20--record lines at the Porta-Potty too--and closing time at several hundred local bars and watering holes has been extended practically into the breakfast hour for celebrators' convenience. (Tourism is getting a boost outside D.C. too: in Honolulu, a $40 bus ride will take you to see where Obama scooped ice cream as a teen.) We have an economic stimulus plan, and his name is Barack Obama. (See pictures of Barack Obama on Flickr.)

Conservatives harrumph at all this adulation. Before declaring his greatness, we insist that we should wait for him to accomplish something for the country. (Spike Lee didn't even wait for the election. Last summer he said we were soon going to measure time by "BB, before Barack, and AB, after Barack.") In some of his supporters, we see the spectacle of secular-minded folk looking for a messiah. But we risk looking like spoilsports or sore losers, and we can sympathize with the excitement over the first nonwhite President, even if we would have preferred that someone else had played the role.

There is no recent analogue to the madness--er, hopefulness--that has seized Obama's fans. Some journalists have been comparing him with F.D.R. and even Lincoln. To find a similar episode of enthusiasm for an incoming President, you might have to go back to 1829. The outgoing President, John Quincy Adams, was the son of another President. He had won office in a way his opponents considered corrupt: the 1824 election had been thrown to the House of Representatives, which picked him. The new President, Andrew Jackson, was his era's version of change. Unlike his predecessors, he was not from the founding generation, not related to a founder, not a member of the Virginia dynasty. He embodied the Western future of the country, just as Obama does our multiracial future. An unprecedented number of Americans trekked to see him take the oath of office. His Inaugural was a massive party at the White House, one that got so out of hand that Jackson was forced to lodge elsewhere.

But historical precedent can justify only so much. Going to D.C. to celebrate the election of a President you believe in? That's fine. Hanging around at his hotel just "to be breathing the same air," as one man told the Washington Post? If you can picture a stalker giving the same quote, maybe it's time to think again.

Naming your newborn Barack is, at best, right on the line. Renaming your kids' elementary school after him, as people in Hempstead, N.Y., did? Wait until he's got a presidential library. Wear an Obama shirt, sure, if that's how you feel. Wearing one that says the only TRUTH THAT STANDS BEFORE US IS OBAMA, as two dozen guys I saw at the Democratic Convention did, puts you at the center of Crazyville.

To his credit, Obama has done little to encourage this frenzy, at least since the election. He's all ironic detachment. Yet somehow that aloofness calls forth more reckless declarations of love from the besotted.

It should go without saying that plenty of strong Obama supporters are not getting carried away. But they're not the ones setting the tone. The soprano Renée Fleming recently sang an Obamafied Christmas carol: "In the bleak midwinter, at the Christmas feast, a family leaves Chicago and travels to the East ..." The original starred the Christ child. This fever will break because that's what fevers do. Its sufferers are probably harmless. They sure can be creepy, though.
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Magginkat
 
  1  
Sat 17 Jan, 2009 05:16 pm
@okie,
Nah........Okie. Sarah from Texas was a ticked off republican, collecting a welfare check & bitching because it wasn't enough to pay all her bills, according to her profile. She was repeating the lie that Reagan told about the Welfare queen and was disgusted that she was only getting a few hundred dollars a month! Of course she was blaming Democrats for lowering welfare payments! LMAO!
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okie
 
  0  
Sat 17 Jan, 2009 09:14 pm
Obama coming to Washington on a train, to mimic Lincoln, huh, come on people, this is too funny. Is this guy serious? I think he is taking himself far too serious. He hasn't done anything yet, and he is pretending to be Abraham Lincoln!!!!!????
He thinks he is a reincarnation of Lincoln, but Lincoln was a Republican, Barry, and so was Martin Luther King, whom he loves to quote all the time as well.

He wants to imagine he is somebody besides himself, what is that all about? He certainly has visions of grandeur about himself, it seems, but he could turn out to be the great imposter? One thing sure, if this was a Republican, we would be getting plenty of phsyco-analysis and opinions of derangement and split personalities by now.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 17 Jan, 2009 09:57 pm
@okie,
okie, Where in hell do you come up with all your criticisms about other people? The fact that a past president rode a train into Washington DC doesn't make subsequent train rides into DC a copy cat - or an emulation of anything except for people like you who love to make mountains out of mole hills.
mysteryman
 
  1  
Sat 17 Jan, 2009 11:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Excpet Obama HAS compared himself to LIncoln, or at least his surrogates have.
It seems to me to be hubris on his part to allow himself to be compared to Lincoln at all, especially since Obama hasnt even been sworn in yet, let alone actually accomplished anything yet.
mysteryman
 
  2  
Sat 17 Jan, 2009 11:18 pm
Here is an interesting website...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

Its a site that will track all of Obama's campaign promises and see how well he keeps them.

To be honest, all I know about the site is that its part of the St Petersburg Times newspaper.

But it will be fun to watch and to see how the Obama supporters try to spin the fact if he doesnt keep all of his promises, especially after he said he wanted the American people to hold him accountable.

Butrflynet
 
  1  
Sun 18 Jan, 2009 12:07 am
@okie,
You seem to have some knowledge gaps about Lincoln's train trip.

http://vodpod.com/politics/watch/1293648-video-railroads-woven-into-presidential-history
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okie
 
  0  
Sun 18 Jan, 2009 01:12 am
Would Lincoln have had a Muslim cleric with likely connections to Hamas participating in the inaugural?

"But in 2007 and as recently as last July, federal prosecutors in Dallas filed court documents linking the Plainfield, Ind.-based Islamic society to the group Hamas, which the U.S. considers a terrorist organization.

Neither Mattson nor her organization have been charged. But prosecutors wrote in July that they had "a wide array of testimonial and documentary evidence expressly linking" the group to Hamas and other radical groups.

Linda Douglass, a spokeswoman for Obama's inaugural committee, would not discuss the case or say whether the committee knew about it."


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/17/feds-say-obama-prayer-leader-group-linked-hamas/

We are off to such a grand start, aren't we, fellow Americans, for a guy that is the grand uniter? Who is Obama? Does he know?
parados
 
  1  
Sun 18 Jan, 2009 09:20 am
@mysteryman,
You mean like how the Bush supporters are trying to spin Bush's legacy?

Bush said he wouldn't do nation building. How did that work out MM?
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parados
 
  3  
Sun 18 Jan, 2009 09:22 am
@okie,
Quote:
Law enforcement agencies have used the organization's annual convention as part of its outreach to the Muslim community. The group has provided religious training to the FBI, according to court documents. Karen Hughes, a former Bush confidant and under secretary of state, called Mattson "a wonderful leader and role model for many, many people."

The FBI? You mean the agency that Bush is in charge of uses a group with links to terrorism?

MY GOD okie. How can you support a President that lets terrorists train his FBI agents?
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blatham
 
  2  
Sun 18 Jan, 2009 09:38 am
@mysteryman,
Quote:
Excpet Obama HAS compared himself to LIncoln, ... or at least his surrogates have.

You might want to get clear on whether that first part of your sentence is truthful or a deceitful, propagandist slight of hand. eg "Ronald Reagan HAS STATED EXPLICITLY that Jesus, Himself, had reserved the Presidency for him, or at least his surrogates have."

Quote:
It seems to me to be hubris on his part to allow himself to be compared to Lincoln at all, especially since Obama hasnt even been sworn in yet, let alone actually accomplished anything yet.

You might want to read the press on Lincoln after he spoke at Cooper Union (before he'd done anything).
You might also wish to reflect on the many instances of comparisons drawn (on the right) between Bush and Churchill (or Palin and Reagan). Hubris, do you think, that they allowed such a thing?
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blatham
 
  2  
Sun 18 Jan, 2009 09:40 am
@mysteryman,
Comparing promises to reality ought to be a standard function of a watchdog press. This is a good thing.
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Thomas
 
  2  
Sun 18 Jan, 2009 09:54 am
@okie,
okie wrote:
Neither Mattson nor her organization have been charged. But prosecutors wrote in July that they had "a wide array of testimonial and documentary evidence expressly linking" the group to Hamas and other radical groups.

Wide or not, apparently the "array of evidence" wasn't very convincing. If it had been, the prosecutors would have filed a lawsuit, presented their evidence in court, and persuaded the court to convict Mattson or her organization. They haven't.
blatham
 
  2  
Sun 18 Jan, 2009 10:18 am
@Thomas,
Hear ye! Hear ye! The court is now coming to order. Judge Rupert presiding.
 

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