Obama '08?

@revel,

When anybody accuses FactCheck as biased, it's because they themselves have a monkey on their back they are unable to shake off. That media matters is biased is but an ad hominem when one considers the people who criticize them can't support their own opinion through credible sources outside of their own opinion.

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@okie,

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Will he call Obama first to find out, or does he have this information already firmly affixed in his head?

Yes he has okie. He has no need to consult Mr Obama.

It cannot be other than a definition of a close approximation to his goodself. Not an exact one mind you. That would make his circle less rareified.

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@cicerone imposter,

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That media matters is biased is but an ad hominem when one considers the people who criticize them can't support their own opinion through credible sources outside of their own opinion.

That's ridiculous ci. The evolution and ID threads would have nothing but my posts if supporting one's opinion by one's own opinion was considered deleteable.

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@Butrflynet,

Butrflynet wrote:

This should really get Okie's juices flowing.

www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-obama-networkdec05,0,7403685.story

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Role for Barack Obama's volunteer network still in flux
Talks upcoming on how to mobilize movement; volunteer base 'hungry' for work on issues

Maybe they can wear uniforms with Obama's picture stamped on them? You know, the picture with him staring at the sky with this look of a great visionary? Maybe they can patrol the neighborhoods and report any ne'er do well Republican or conservative that is a greedy capitalist, or that might be abusing the environment, or that might make any unkind jokes about Obama? After all, Obama wants to form a national security force, why not use the volunteers to do that, give them uniforms, pay them with tax dollars, and unleash their hunger to do good?

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@okie,

If you do more than just read the headline you'll find out that is what is being planned.

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@Butrflynet,

Have they not read Norman Mailer then?

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@Butrflynet,

Butrflynet wrote:

If you do more than just read the headline you'll find out that is what is being planned.

I read the whole thing, butrfly, and that is why I posted what I did.

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More speculation that Obama will not or cannot close Gitmo anytime soon, from none other than the Gitmo commander.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465204,00.html

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@okie,

More on this:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3299451&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

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TIME: Obama Person of the Year 2008 (with video and photos)

Times: Pictures: Barack Obama as a college freshman

Telegraph: Barack Obama is 'Time' person of the year

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PEBO is only going to make matters worse!

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@okie,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7790797.stm

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Guantanamo closure plan ordered

Barack Obama says he wants to move quickly on Guantanamo Bay
US Defense Secretary Robert Gates has ordered plans to be drafted for the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention centre, the Pentagon says.

Seems like Obama's going to close Gitmo after all, Okie. And here you all said this wasn't going to be possible.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

If he does close it, where are the detainees going to be moved to?
Do you want them to build a prison to hold them in your neighborhood?

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

the Pentagon says.
Seems like Obama's going to close Gitmo after all, Okie. And here you all said this wasn't going to be possible.
Cycloptichorn

All it amounts to is a study about how to close it, the feasibility of it, and what to do with the people housed there, which currently has no answers, cyclops. The following from your article. It seems to me that this study would have to have been done a long time ago before anyone even considered the option of closing it. How do you say you will close something when you don't know if it is feasible or how it should be done? Thats like saying I am going to take a different road, but by the way lets study the map to see if there are other roads and if there are if they are better than the one we are on. Poor planning, cyclops.

"How and where they would be detained or tried in the future simply is not clear, reports the BBC's Adam Brookes from Washington."

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@mysteryman,

Sure, why not?

Do you think they are going to escape and terrorize my neighborhood, or something? What is it that you are worried about?

Cycloptichorn

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Defense chief asks for plans to close Guantanamo camp

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Gates "has asked his team for a proposal on how to shut it down, what would be required specifically to close it and move the detainees from that facility, while at the same time, of course, ensuring that we protect the American people [from] some very dangerous characters," Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said Thursday.

Morrell described it as a contingency plan in case the new administration wants to take it up early in the new year.

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Officials close to the Obama team said in November that the incoming administration is pondering options, including trying some of the Guantanamo Bay inmates in federal courts, setting up a special national security court to deal with cases involving the most sensitive intelligence information, and releasing some inmates.

In an October 31 interview with CNN, Obama said only that he would close the facility "as quickly as we can do prudently."

"I am not going to give a time certain because I think what we have to do is evaluate all those who are still being held in Gitmo," he said. "We have to put in place appropriate plans to make sure they are tried, convicted and punished to the full extent of the law, and that's going to require, I think, a review of the existing cases, which I have not had the opportunity to do."

Sounds like the Pentagon is preparing the plans, and Obama is willing to close Gitmo as soon as there are appropriate plans in place.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

Go ahead and laugh. Not a laughing matter.

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@Cycloptichorn,

I personally am not worried about it, but a significant percent of the population is.
So, where do you want to put the detainees?

And also, does Obama want to close the whole base, or just the detention center?
If he closes the whole base, what then?

And what about the detainees whose own countries dont want them back?
The US has tried to release some of the detainees, but no other country will take them.
What do we do with them?

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

I personally am not worried about it, but a significant percent of the population is.So, where do you want to put the detainees?

What do you mean 'a significant percentage of the population is?' What are they worried about, exactly?

I don't care where they put the detainees. Try then in front of a court, and let those who we don't have enough evidence against go, execute the guilty of capital crimes, and put the rest in Federal prison for life. How hard can this be, Mysteryman? It's not rocket science.

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And also, does Obama want to close the whole base, or just the detention center? If he closes the whole base, what then?

What about it?

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And what about the detainees whose own countries dont want them back?
The US has tried to release some of the detainees, but no other country will take them.
What do we do with them?

Let them go in America or wherever they want to go. Why do you think this is such a big deal? It isn't as if the people are going to launch into the next phase of their Grand Plot To Kill Us All...

Cycloptichorn

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